Do You Now Trade Draymond, Other Pieces/Picks for Simmons Now?

[a8bil]

Dray has been critical to the success of GSW -- to date. Dray has been the glue that keeps the defense together -- to date.

That said, I can't help but wonder what cache he continues to hold, given that his offensive skills have deteriorated so much. I also have to wonder whether the FO sees Dray as the right mentor for Kuminga and Moody given this last incidence and his history of an inability to exercise self control. I think the FO has to continue to think long and hard about the pros and cons of the player that is Dray. Plainly, in a "win now" mindset, you can't get rid of him unless you get back in trade someone who has the defensive intensity that Dray brings. But, if you're looking to the future, he may not be long for GSW. I think the Simmons discussion just got more interesting with these latest antics -- he's probably close to Dray skillwise, but I don't think Simmons would bring the leadership you need to replace Dray.

[Scoots1994]

Another Draymond thread.

[FNQ]

People getting all worked up about this is like people getting all worked up about Myers' bad joke at the title celebration. It's just looking for an excuse to get worked up.

Myers and Kerr are big boys. They can handle it.

It was handled years ago.. the public is just now getting a small peek behind the curtain but are going to act like its the present, because it is for them

[FNQ]

Dray has been critical to the success of GSW -- to date. Dray has been the glue that keeps the defense together -- to date.

That said, I can't help but wonder what cache he continues to hold, given that his offensive skills have deteriorated so much. I also have to wonder whether the FO sees Dray as the right mentor for Kuminga and Moody given this last incidence and his history of an inability to exercise self control. I think the FO has to continue to think long and hard about the pros and cons of the player that is Dray. Plainly, in a "win now" mindset, you can't get rid of him unless you get back in trade someone who has the defensive intensity that Dray brings. But, if you're looking to the future, he may not be long for GSW. I think the Simmons discussion just got more interesting with these latest antics -- he's probably close to Dray skillwise, but I don't think Simmons would bring the leadership you need to replace Dray.

No one in this league replaces Draymond. Too unique in his skillset/personality/knowledge

Having almost 10 years in a Ron Adams system, he's basically an on-court coach. And as we saw last year, he makes the wheels turn on defense, and has a positive impact on everyone else playing. Simmons won't be able to do that.

As I said, maybe 2-3 people in the league could step in and competently bring in anywhere close to the impact Draymond does. Garuba was probably our best bet if we wanted legitimate Draymond insurance.

[a8bil]

Dray has been critical to the success of GSW -- to date. Dray has been the glue that keeps the defense together -- to date.

That said, I can't help but wonder what cache he continues to hold, given that his offensive skills have deteriorated so much. I also have to wonder whether the FO sees Dray as the right mentor for Kuminga and Moody given this last incidence and his history of an inability to exercise self control. I think the FO has to continue to think long and hard about the pros and cons of the player that is Dray. Plainly, in a "win now" mindset, you can't get rid of him unless you get back in trade someone who has the defensive intensity that Dray brings. But, if you're looking to the future, he may not be long for GSW. I think the Simmons discussion just got more interesting with these latest antics -- he's probably close to Dray skillwise, but I don't think Simmons would bring the leadership you need to replace Dray.

No one in this league replaces Draymond. Too unique in his skillset/personality/knowledge

Having almost 10 years in a Ron Adams system, he's basically an on-court coach. And as we saw last year, he makes the wheels turn on defense, and has a positive impact on everyone else playing. Simmons won't be able to do that.

As I said, maybe 2-3 people in the league could step in and competently bring in anywhere close to the impact Draymond does. Garuba was probably our best bet if we wanted legitimate Draymond insurance.

I hadn't paid attention to Garuba...he looks good.

[Old_Blue]

I hadn't paid attention to Garuba...he looks good.

Houston had a great draft. Apparently, tanking DOES pay!

[FNQ]

I hadn't paid attention to Garuba...he looks good.

Houston had a great draft. Apparently, tanking DOES pay!

Eh we'll see. Garuba's a niche player, have to plan around him. And as said above, I'm a little iffy on Sengun's upside/ability to be a positive player. I mean I'll grab all the Sengun stock I could in dynasty fantasy basketball, but I'm not as sure about his on-court impact. I think Sabonis is the tippy top of his upside and there's a lot more downside that's being overlooked

But they did get the best player in the draft in Green, IMO. Or at least who should have been the #1 pick

[Chris Porter's Hair]

No.

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[SAKURABA216]

We all know about the recent interview by Draymond and KD with both putting blame on management. Do you think dubs trade Draymond, other pieces/picks for Simmons now?

Why should we demand Draymond be traded for blaming management? Show some freaking class solidarity.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Simmons is younger, more athletic, better individual defender, a better scorer and a better play MAKER.

Ship Green off for Simmons and then sign Paul Millsap.

Greens game has been slipping hard and he's about to fall off a cliff. Sell now.

[Samurai]

Simmons is younger, more athletic, better individual defender, a better scorer and a better play MAKER.

Ship Green off for Simmons and then sign Paul Millsap.

Greens game has been slipping hard and he's about to fall off a cliff. Sell now.

And you honestly believe Philly would take Green for a younger, more athletic, better individual defender, better scorer and better playMAKER without us having to add Kuminga, Moody, and/or future firsts? Just Dray for Simmons straight up? Maybe Myers should call you instead of Morey!

[BayArea_Warriors]

I would do it in a heartbeat. Not because of this interview, he was right. I would trade him based on his offensive decline and how Simmons would amplify the team’s dynamics. Simmons for Draymond why is this even a discussion? Simmons would eat with Steph and Klay. Defense would decline a little but everything else is a huge improvement. Warriors future would also be secured.

Heck I’d swap Wiggins for Tobias Harris too while we at it. Sixers looking to move both and we have the pieces without sacrificing too much of the future. Sixers can flip Dray if they want to Blazers for CJ.

I love Dray, but tired of his emo Ts costing games and major offensive decline. Simmons game is made for Warriors offense OMG 6’10” point forward.

[xdrta+]

I would do it in a heartbeat. Not because of this interview, he was right. I would trade him based on his offensive decline and how Simmons would amplify the team’s dynamics. Simmons for Draymond why is this even a discussion? Simmons would eat with Steph and Klay. Defense would decline a little but everything else is a huge improvement. Warriors future would also be secured.

Heck I’d swap Wiggins for Tobias Harris too while we at it. Sixers looking to move both and we have the pieces without sacrificing too much of the future. Sixers can flip Dray if they want to Blazers for CJ.

I love Dray, but tired of his emo Ts costing games and major offensive decline. Simmons game is made for Warriors offense OMG 6’10” point forward.

I get Simmons for Green, but you have to know Philly would never do it. Do you still like it if you have to include a couple young players and a bunch of picks? Personally, I don't think it's worth it then.

[ILOVEIT]

Yes. If it's limited to Draymond and maybe Moody....yep.

Sorry. We are all underrating Simmons. I'd put him at point Forward/Center
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Simmons, Wiseman

Simmons and Embiid and not much else were bouncing shot away from the finals a couple of years ago.

Draymond is great but at some point you need to transition...and this is a great way to do it.

How well did Bogut fit....now imagine it's a LeBron like athlete who's only role is to run the offense on the break or run it from the low block. That and defend and rebound.

I'd take all that with the hope that he adds a little bit of face up shooting over the years.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Simmons is younger, more athletic, better individual defender, a better scorer and a better play MAKER.

Ship Green off for Simmons and then sign Paul Millsap.

Greens game has been slipping hard and he's about to fall off a cliff. Sell now.

And you honestly believe Philly would take Green for a younger, more athletic, better individual defender, better scorer and better playMAKER without us having to add Kuminga, Moody, and/or future firsts? Just Dray for Simmons straight up? Maybe Myers should call you instead of Morey!

I never said it would or wouldn't be straight up, and I have no idea what Philly and the Warriors would be willing to give/take.

I'd be willing to give up Green and some young guys, though. Especially if you can follow that trade up with a Paul Millsap signing.

[Currygoat]

Warriors management don’t have the balls to trade Draymond lmao

[xdrta+]

Warriors management don’t have the balls to trade Draymond lmao

Who do you think would trade anyone worthwhile for Draymond?

[Old_Blue]

I would do it in a heartbeat. Not because of this interview, he was right. I would trade him based on his offensive decline and how Simmons would amplify the team’s dynamics. Simmons for Draymond why is this even a discussion? Simmons would eat with Steph and Klay. Defense would decline a little but everything else is a huge improvement. Warriors future would also be secured.

Heck I’d swap Wiggins for Tobias Harris too while we at it. Sixers looking to move both and we have the pieces without sacrificing too much of the future. Sixers can flip Dray if they want to Blazers for CJ.

I love Dray, but tired of his emo Ts costing games and major offensive decline. Simmons game is made for Warriors offense OMG 6’10” point forward.

That's the guy on the Sixers that I want. 50/40/90 and 20 a night...yes please!

[GQ Hot Dog]

There's an entire level of understanding of what it takes to win championships that so many of you(Samurai, Currygoat, oaktownwarriors87) are completely oblivious to.

There's such a thing called intangibles that Draymond has in spades. He's one of the premiere possessors of such intangibles in the NBA. That junkyard dog, killer instinct mentality that allows him to will the team to victory with his defense alone when the game hangs in the balance. He's able to do with defense what KD does with iso-shotmaking. And that's as a great passer and mediocre to poor scorer.

Ben Simmons is the opposite of that even though his game is fairly similar on paper. The difference is that when the game hangs in the balance his passing and defense recede and his mediocre to poor scoring becomes painfully pronounced. How many times do we have to see this play out in crucial playoff games before you guys get it? When have you ever seen Ben Simmons manifest the sort of emotional energy to overwhelm the other team? That's what Kerr means when he exhorts his players to play with "force". Ben Simmons ain't that guy.

I'll leave you with this: 32/15/9/2. Draymond's statline in game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals. Draymond is able to rise to the occasion even in the most difficult circumstances and under the most crushing pressure. Contrast that with Ben Simmons whose contributions have always declined as the opponents improve.

[watch1958]

Why does a “win now “ team (Sixers) , which has been close to the NBA finals want to trade their 1A player?