What 25 players would you add for the 75th year?

[GeorgeGervin]

Definitely am not on board with Yao. He was an elite big for maybe 4 years, of which he was often injured in 3 of those years. In today's NBA he would of had half the All-Star games, and often times he didn't earn the honors, was simply voted in by China, not to mention it was the weakest period for centers in NBA history (well stretching back to pre-Russell/Wilt)

I agree.
Yao was pretty good no doubt, but there are a few centers that should easily be included before him : Walt Bellamy, Dwight Howard, Bob McAdoo, Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo, Artis Gilmore and one could even argue Dan Issel and Jack Sikma.

[Kent]

McGrady love is wild. Did he ever get out of the first round? I'm sorry but at some point if you are so great you win a damn playoff series. I'll take Klay over him. Its not close to be honest

I get your point but you cannot say that and then all of a sudden mention Klay freaking Thompson.

T-Mac was an MVP level player for several seasons, and arguably the best player in basketball in 2003. Klay literately isn't half the player Tracy was and has been carried his entire career by Curry. So he's not a good example. Was he ever even a top 10 player for any one season? I don't think so.

Also, I get the criticism for T-Mac related to postseason success being a benchmark for the 75 greatest.

But if you asked every current GM and coach if they would take prime T-Mac today over some of the guys being proposed for this list, I would imagine many of them would, postseason success notwithstanding.

[ciueli]

Reggie Miller is my all time favorite player but I didn't see how was an overall better player than any of the other guys.

Reggie Miller is 21st All-Time in Regular Season VORP (Value Over Replacement), and 15th All-Time in Regular Season Win Shares. For the playoffs he's 27th in VORP and 24th in Win Shares. I would say he definitely deserves to be in, look at this

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career.html

to see that every single guy ahead of him on the career VORP list either was or is a superstar.

[Sothron]

I literally dgaf about any other person making this except for Dominique Wilkins. It was a complete joke and travesty he wasn't on the NBA 50 list. Every single person on that list alive when asked said Nique should have been on that list. So they need to do him right this time and put him on this list.

[The_Hater]

Someone needs to tell me why Vince is getting his named mentioned so many times. I get he is a very popular player but on the court wise, his name doesnt deserve to be in this discussion.

First ballot hall of famer. 8 all star games. 25000+ career points.

He might not make your list but I’m confused on why you think his name shouldn’t be in the mix at all? Is he all that different than Melo?

[Redemption Bong]

You stole my thread OP I was going to create this topic but wanted to wait about another week to do it.


Here is my list.

Dominique Wilkins
Dennis Rodman
Artis Gilmore
Yao Ming
Lebron James
Allen Iverson
Giannis
Kobe Bryant
Jason Kidd
Stephen Curry
Chris Paul
Gary Payton
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
Steve Nash
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Tracy McGrady
Vince Carter
James Harden
Reggie Miller
Dwayne Wade

No Dwight Howard? He has a much longer list of individual awards list than McGrady, Carter, Yao, Miller. He has made as many or more All-Star teams, more All-NBA selections(most 1st-Team), much more All-Defensive teams, more major awards(3x DPOTY), lead the league in more major stat categories(5x Reb, 2x Blk, 1x FG%). He was also the closets to win MVP out of these players. In my opinion in his prime was a better player and imp[acted winning more.

Howard can replace Rodman.
Rodman is not even in the Hall of Fame. Miller and McGRady are.

Wrong.

Watch on YouTube

[Duke4life831]

Someone needs to tell me why Vince is getting his named mentioned so many times. I get he is a very popular player but on the court wise, his name doesnt deserve to be in this discussion.

First ballot hall of famer. 8 all star games. 25000+ career points.

He might not make your list but I’m confused on why you think his name shouldn’t be in the mix at all? Is he all that different than Melo?

Just recent players that arent getting mentioned too often off the top of my head I would take over him

Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Ben Wallace
Amar'e
Gobert
Blake
Tony Parker

That is 7 guys right there that all were better players than Vince. Add in the obvious 20 other guys in the past 25 years that were all easily better than Vince. Then throw in the guys who just missed out on the 50 year team. We are already looking at 35+ guys now. Then you got guys like Bosh, Ray Allen, Pau Gasol, Pierce, McGrady and so on who also have a damn good argument.

I get the 25000+ career points, but that is just because he played for so long. This is like trying to make an argument that Frank Gore deserves to be talked about as an all time great RB because he is 3rd all time in rushing. No at his peak Frank was good but not elite of the elite and he just ended up playing so long he slowly racked up rushing yards.

Vince was much more popular than he was an elite player. Again only 1 time in his career was top 10 in MVP voting (he was 10th). Only 2 All NBA teams and never a 1st team member. He never peaked high enough to be talked about in this conversation.

[The_Hater]

Someone needs to tell me why Vince is getting his named mentioned so many times. I get he is a very popular player but on the court wise, his name doesnt deserve to be in this discussion.

First ballot hall of famer. 8 all star games. 25000+ career points.

He might not make your list but I’m confused on why you think his name shouldn’t be in the mix at all? Is he all that different than Melo?

Just recent players that arent getting mentioned too often off the top of my head I would take over him

Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Ben Wallace
Amar'e
Gobert
Blake
Tony Parker

That is 7 guys right there that all were better players than Vince. Add in the obvious 20 other guys in the past 25 years that were all easily better than Vince. Then throw in the guys who just missed out on the 50 year team. We are already looking at 35+ guys now. Then you got guys like Bosh, Ray Allen, Pau Gasol, Pierce, McGrady and so on who also have a damn good argument.

I get the 25000+ career points, but that is just because he played for so long. This is like trying to make an argument that Frank Gore deserves to be talked about as an all time great RB because he is 3rd all time in rushing. No at his peak Frank was good but not elite of the elite and he just ended up playing so long he slowly racked up rushing yards.

Vince was much more popular than he was an elite player. Again only 1 time in his career was top 10 in MVP voting (he was 10th). Only 2 All NBA teams and never a 1st team member. He never peaked high enough to be talked about in this conversation.

That’s a very iffy list. Most of those names don’t even deserve consideration iMO.

Like I said, he doesn’t make your list, mine either, but he definitely deserves a mention. He was a great player in his 20’s.

[falcolombardi]

there is zero chance they take off someone from the original 50, ir would be seen as disrespectful or at least bad taste

they will only add 25 newer guys

i can see wilkins, payton and Miller beung included as 90's players that didnt make the original list. but after them is gonna be from garnett and forward only

my prediction- original snubs

Gary payton
reggie Miller
dominique wilkins (since many felt he was snubbed at the time)

late 90's class

garnett
kobe
ray allen
nash
duncan
iverson
dirk

2003 and early 00's

lebron James
wade
Carmelo (i dont know if he should but he has too much Creed to be left out)
Chris Paul
dwight howard

late 00's guys

durant
westbrook
harden
curry

early 2010's guys

giannis
kawhi
davis
jokic

i am not sure in the last spots

maybe Pau gasol, maybe bosh, etc

[Duke4life831]

First ballot hall of famer. 8 all star games. 25000+ career points.

He might not make your list but I’m confused on why you think his name shouldn’t be in the mix at all? Is he all that different than Melo?

Just recent players that arent getting mentioned too often off the top of my head I would take over him

Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Ben Wallace
Amar'e
Gobert
Blake
Tony Parker

That is 7 guys right there that all were better players than Vince. Add in the obvious 20 other guys in the past 25 years that were all easily better than Vince. Then throw in the guys who just missed out on the 50 year team. We are already looking at 35+ guys now. Then you got guys like Bosh, Ray Allen, Pau Gasol, Pierce, McGrady and so on who also have a damn good argument.

I get the 25000+ career points, but that is just because he played for so long. This is like trying to make an argument that Frank Gore deserves to be talked about as an all time great RB because he is 3rd all time in rushing. No at his peak Frank was good but not elite of the elite and he just ended up playing so long he slowly racked up rushing yards.

Vince was much more popular than he was an elite player. Again only 1 time in his career was top 10 in MVP voting (he was 10th). Only 2 All NBA teams and never a 1st team member. He never peaked high enough to be talked about in this conversation.

That’s a very iffy list. Most of those names don’t even deserve consideration iMO.

Like I said, he doesn’t make your list, mine either, but he definitely deserves a mention. He was a great player in his 20’s.

Paul George: 6x All NBA (1 1st team), 4x All Defense
Butler: 4x All NBA, 5x All Defense, MIP
Wallace: 5x All NBA, 6x All Defense, 4x DPOY, Champion
Amar'e: 5x All NBA (1 1st team)
Gobert: 4x All NBA, 5x All Defense (all 1st team), 3x DPOY
Blake: 5x All NBA
Parker: 4x All NBA, 4x Champion, FMVP

Vince: 2x All NBA

Again he was really popular and dont get me wrong Im not saying he wasn't a really good player, he was. But his peak wasn't all that elite. He was never a perennial All NBA guy, he was never a guy that was ever really considered a MVP candidate in his career.

And to be crystal clear, Im not saying every guy on this list should be on the 75 team. Im just saying these guys all peaked higher and longer than Vince did. Vince was just very popular and played for a very very long time. But his peak wasn't that impressive when compared to elite players.

[The_Hater]

Just recent players that arent getting mentioned too often off the top of my head I would take over him

Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Ben Wallace
Amar'e
Gobert
Blake
Tony Parker

That is 7 guys right there that all were better players than Vince. Add in the obvious 20 other guys in the past 25 years that were all easily better than Vince. Then throw in the guys who just missed out on the 50 year team. We are already looking at 35+ guys now. Then you got guys like Bosh, Ray Allen, Pau Gasol, Pierce, McGrady and so on who also have a damn good argument.

I get the 25000+ career points, but that is just because he played for so long. This is like trying to make an argument that Frank Gore deserves to be talked about as an all time great RB because he is 3rd all time in rushing. No at his peak Frank was good but not elite of the elite and he just ended up playing so long he slowly racked up rushing yards.

Vince was much more popular than he was an elite player. Again only 1 time in his career was top 10 in MVP voting (he was 10th). Only 2 All NBA teams and never a 1st team member. He never peaked high enough to be talked about in this conversation.

That’s a very iffy list. Most of those names don’t even deserve consideration iMO.

Like I said, he doesn’t make your list, mine either, but he definitely deserves a mention. He was a great player in his 20’s.

Paul George: 6x All NBA (1 1st team), 4x All Defense
Butler: 4x All NBA, 5x All Defense, MIP
Wallace: 5x All NBA, 6x All Defense, 4x DPOY, Champion
Amar'e: 5x All NBA (1 1st team)
Gobert: 4x All NBA, 5x All Defense (all 1st team), 3x DPOY
Blake: 5x All NBA
Parker: 4x All NBA, 4x Champion, FMVP

Vince: 2x All NBA

Again he was really popular and dont get me wrong Im not saying he wasn't a really good player, he was. But his peak wasn't all that elite. He was never a perennial All NBA guy, he was never a guy that was ever really considered a MVP candidate in his career.

And to be crystal clear, Im not saying every guy on this list should be on the 75 team. Im just saying these guys all peaked higher and longer than Vince did. Vince was just very popular and played for a very very long time. But his peak wasn't that impressive when compared to elite players.

As you know, All-NBA teams for Centers are a,ways highly questionable because they always have to pick 3 of them, even if three position is weak DeAndre Jordan. 1st team All NBA.

Anyways, Vince has more allstar games and more total points them any of those players. So we could go back and forth on awards. But Gobert, Wallace and Amare aren’t going to get serious attention. Butler and George get left off because they’re still playing and we’re never comsidered top 5 players like Many other current players. Blake had a solid peak coupled with a short career and has almost half as many career points. Half! Parker will get consideration and that’s about it. Vince would get he 2nd most consideration from this list and I’m not even a huge Vince fan.

[Tesla]

First the undebatable... somewhat in my order
1. Lebron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kevin Durant
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Steph Curry
7. Kevin Garnett
8. Giannis Antetokounmpo
9. Dwayne Wade
10. Chris Paul
11. Kawahi Lenord
12. Steve Nash
13. James Harden
14. Russell Westbrook
15. Jason Kidd
16. Allen Iverson

Then a small gap/debatable

17.Dwight Howard
18.Gary Payton
19.Paul Pierce
20. Manu Ginobli
21. Pau Gasol
22. Reggie Miller
23. Ray Allen
24. Tony Parker
25. Anthony Davis

Snubs could be 17-25,Klay Thompson, Tracy McGrady, Dominque Wilkins, Artis Gilmore, Bob McAdoo, Carmelo Anthony, Ben Wallace, Dikembe Mutumbo,Dennis Rodman, Rasheed Wallace, Yao Ming, Chauncy Billups, Chris Bosh

[Johnny Tomala]

Curry, CP3, Westbrook, Nash, Kidd, Bryant, Harden, Wade, Iverson, James, Durant, Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki.
Those are 14 locks for me.

[PistolPeteJR]

I’ve seen a few mentions for “Shaq” in this thread.

He’s already in it.

I don’t want to see Jokic or Luka near it yet. High level for X amount of time matters in these rankings.

[Narigo]

Players I add
1.Lebron James
2.Tim Duncan
3.Kobe Bryant
4.Dirk Nowitski
5.Kevin Garnett
6.Ray Allen
7.Reggie Miller
9.Dwight Howard
10.Kawhi Lenoard
11.Jason Kidd
12.Steph Curry
13.Kevin Durant
14.James Harden
15. Giannis antetokounmpo
16. Chris Paul
17. Russell Westbrook
18. Bob Lanier
19. Allen Iverson
20. Paul Pierce
21. Anthony Davis
22. Damian lillard
23. Dwayne Wade
24. Steve Nash
25.Dominque Wilkens
26.Alex English
27.Adrian Dantley
28.Artis Gilmore
29.Gary Payton
30.Chauncey Billups
31.Ben Wallace
32.Dikembe Mutombo
33.Pau Gasol
34.Vince Carter
35.Alonzo Mourning
36.Tracy McGrady

Players i removed from Top 50(1997)
1.Dave Bing
2.Tiny Archibald
3.Dave Desbusshere
4.Pete Maravich
5.Earl Monroe
6.James Worthy
7.Bill Shaman
8.Bill Walton
9.Lenny Wilkens
10.Hal Greer
11.Sam Jones
12.Jerry Lucas

[SecondTake]

Rodman actually IS in the HOF.

U are correct. My mistake.[/quote]

And Rodman was better at everything than Dwight ever was. Rodman is a far better player.

[SecondTake]

That’s a very iffy list. Most of those names don’t even deserve consideration iMO.

Like I said, he doesn’t make your list, mine either, but he definitely deserves a mention. He was a great player in his 20’s.

Paul George: 6x All NBA (1 1st team), 4x All Defense
Butler: 4x All NBA, 5x All Defense, MIP
Wallace: 5x All NBA, 6x All Defense, 4x DPOY, Champion
Amar'e: 5x All NBA (1 1st team)
Gobert: 4x All NBA, 5x All Defense (all 1st team), 3x DPOY
Blake: 5x All NBA
Parker: 4x All NBA, 4x Champion, FMVP

Vince: 2x All NBA

Again he was really popular and dont get me wrong Im not saying he wasn't a really good player, he was. But his peak wasn't all that elite. He was never a perennial All NBA guy, he was never a guy that was ever really considered a MVP candidate in his career.

And to be crystal clear, Im not saying every guy on this list should be on the 75 team. Im just saying these guys all peaked higher and longer than Vince did. Vince was just very popular and played for a very very long time. But his peak wasn't that impressive when compared to elite players.

As you know, All-NBA teams for Centers are a,ways highly questionable because they always have to pick 3 of them, even if three position is weak DeAndre Jordan. 1st team All NBA.

Anyways, Vince has more allstar games and more total points them any of those players. So we could go back and forth on awards. But Gobert, Wallace and Amare aren’t going to get serious attention. Butler and George get left off because they’re still playing and we’re never comsidered top 5 players like Many other current players. Blake had a solid peak coupled with a short career and has almost half as many career points. Half! Parker will get consideration and that’s about it. Vince would get he 2nd most consideration from this list and I’m not even a huge Vince fan.

They select 3 centers, but you think that's a bigger problem than selecting 6 forwards and 6 guards?

[jokeboy86]

Pretty easy list to predict in my opinion:

Dominique Wilkins
Lebron James
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Jason Kidd
Steph Curry
Kevin Durant
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Paul
Gary Payton
Steve Nash
Dwight Howard(probably will be controversial but only cause he's disliked)
Russell Westbrook
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Allen Iverson
Ray Allen*
Carmelo Anthony*
Tracy McGrady*
Giannis & Kawhi
(these two will probably be the most controversial. Kawhi cause of his general availability, Giannis cause of age and hate from national talking heads)
Paul Pierce*
Reggie Miller*
Dikembe Mutumbo*

To me the guys with * will make it cause of legacy add-ins and respect for the 90s and 00s but in my opinion I would put guys like Jokic and especially Lillard over them because they're already trending to be better than them. The problem with this list is that they have to add 25 but to me they should only be adding those in bold because there's a difference between really good and great and right now I don't think there have been at least 25 players to add.

[dygaction]

In 96-97 season the NBA came up with a list of the top 50 players off all time to coumarate the anniversary. What about adding an additional 25 players for the 75th year anniversary? My list is not in any order, it's not scientific, just names that popped into my head at the time. Who would you add? Who would you remove?

1.Lebron James
2.Tim Duncan
3.Kobe Bryant
4.Dirk Nowitski
5.Kevin Garnett
6.Ray Allen
7.Chris Bosh
8.Carmelo Anthony
9.Dwight Howard
10.Kawhi Lenoard
11.Jason Kidd
12.Steph Curry
13.Kevin Durant
14.James Harden
15. Giannis antetokounmpo
16. Chris Paul
17. Russell Westbrook
18. Klay Thompson
19. Allen Iverson
20. Paul Pierce
21. Anthony Davis
22. Damian lillard
23. Dwayne Wade
24. Steve Nash
25. Nikola Jokic

Klay and Lillard have not done enough to be on that list.

[Calvin Klein]

there is zero chance they take off someone from the original 50, ir would be seen as disrespectful or at least bad taste

I'm pretty sure I've heard they're actually going to remake the 75, not just include 25 new ones and keep the 50 from 1997.