Fake Trade Thread #3

[JMAC3]

The issue is Gordon is probably going to be out for half the season, again. Since his really bad injury a few years ago, he played 72 games. Then 52 games. Then 44 games. That's a bad trend and I see no reason it won't continue as he ages. If he were healthy and played 70 games every season, his contract would be close to acceptable. Nobody denies he is a good player, he isn't a reliable one.

72 games in today's NBA is actually really good with guys resting so much and the next two seasons were shortened seasons for Covid so those numbers look worse then than actually are. We all know he has been hurt in the past, but at least when he plays he tries and is good. Kevin Love sucks ass and doesn't care to even attempt to suit up. Larry Nance is a bench player and Okoro is a role player 4th starter more than likely. There just isn't Allstar level caliber players floating around the market or signing with teams in free agency.

We are far better suited to be able to rest Gordon this season with a more mature Bridges and the addition of Oubre, Gordon severely raises our ceiling as a dangerous playoff team if he is available.

[Roll Tide 09]

Hayward should require at least one 1st round pick and at least one all-star or two good players in return.

For the right team, maybe even 2-3 first round picks and a serviceable veteran, on a bad contract, with one year remaining.

For instance, the Mavericks and even the Lakers would benefit greatly with someone like Hayward. But I would want Brunson in any deal proposed with the Mavericks.


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[luciano-davidwesley]

Hayward should require at least one 1st round pick and at least one all-star or two good players in return.

For the right team, maybe even 2-3 first round picks and a serviceable veteran, on a bad contract, with one year remaining.

For instance, the Mavericks and even the Lakers would benefit greatly with someone like Hayward. But I would want Brunson in any deal proposed with the Mavericks.


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Hayward is an older guy on a fairly bad contract. He's negative value. Why would another team feel the need to put in a first rounder to acquire him?

[BeesWax]

Sexton is up for an extension. It doesn't make sense to trade for him when we have Rozier already extended. Allen can't be traded until January, since he just signed an extension. The trade above gives us too many players. We can't have 20 players on the team.


So. Right after I said I wouldn't touch it.

I'd do Gordon for Love, Dean Wade and a protected first.

Love's contract is 1 year shorter. Wade is a decent 3pt specialist. We get a first because Gordon isn't totally useless like Love is.

You are literally bringing in one less person and a much worse contract. Love is awful and on a terrible deal. It would be better to cut the remaining Martin and Iwundu and get three usable players. The contracts of Nance and Osman are descending and Okoro could be a long term future piece.

[LofJ]

With the Rozier extension trading for Sexton is definitely out. I still think we need to add another player with experience that can shoot if we want to make the playoffs.

To that end we don't really have a stretch big on the roster that is ready for main rotation minutes. Kai and Thor are rookies, PJ is a hybrid wing that lacks ideal size at the 5, and Plumee while being able to stretch the floor with his passing isn't a shooter.

Our interest in Markkanen makes sense considering that, but something weird is going on there with the contract he wants and/or what the Bulls are demanding to agree not to match. Shams himself said we were preparing an offer sheet, but then nothing materialized. I hope we can find out one day what the hell happened with that.

If that bridge has burned Thomas Bryant on his expiring deal on a crowded Wizards roster would be a great trade target.

[Chapelchilla]

We are a good team with Hayward and a mediocre at best one without him. Trading him for pennies on the dollar because he sprained his foot (after which we most likely shut him down to tank for a better pick) is just dumb. We are not currently crippled by his contract and we were smart enough to bring in a reliable back up (Oubre) so if he does need to miss a few games we can be competitive until he returns. We have good vet leadership, young potential, actual NBA starter caliber or better players at every spot in the top 5 AND contingency plans now that the Cho guys are all gone. Geez, we don't need to trade our top talent (minus Ball) for a bunch o scrubs or redundant average dudes, aka the pupu platter. We should be one of the most exciting teams in the NBA to watch and will likely be in the playoffs as a tough opponent this year. If Jones and Bouknight are the real deal, look out in 2 years.

[BobsBuddy]

Markkenan wants out of Chicago ... How about a sign and trade for Hayward straight up?

[Chapelchilla]

:D Markkenan wants out of Chicago ... How about a sign and trade for Hayward straight up?

I wouldn't pay Markannen more then 15 or so, so how would that work?

[Rich4114]

Just throwing this out there from left field / pipe dream land. But if Beal wants out of Washington, do we have the assets to pull off a deal that Washington would accept? I’m ready to give away draft picks to add a perennial all star to go next to LaMelo. If our existing talent ceiling is top 6-8 seed then we will have to hunt for a big time trade like this to make the next step. I realize that’s a long shot, but I feel like we have the Arsenal to do it now.

[SWedd523]

Just throwing this out there from left field / pipe dream land. But if Beal wants out of Washington, do we have the assets to pull off a deal that Washington would accept? I’m ready to give away draft picks to add a perennial all star to go next to LaMelo. If our existing talent ceiling is top 6-8 seed then we will have to hunt for a big time trade like this to make the next step. I realize that’s a long shot, but I feel like we have the Arsenal to do it now.

We are kinda at the point where we have enough raw young players that'll require time and attention for the next 2-6 years.

I'm generally a fan of stacking the deck and taking as many swings as you can for transcendent young talent, but i can see the path they're taking and expect a trade for an established guy in the next year or two

[luciano-davidwesley]

Just throwing this out there from left field / pipe dream land. But if Beal wants out of Washington, do we have the assets to pull off a deal that Washington would accept? I’m ready to give away draft picks to add a perennial all star to go next to LaMelo. If our existing talent ceiling is top 6-8 seed then we will have to hunt for a big time trade like this to make the next step. I realize that’s a long shot, but I feel like we have the Arsenal to do it now.

I'm pretty sure we can't trade any firsts until ours conveys to the Knicks from the Kai trade.

[HornetJail]

Just throwing this out there from left field / pipe dream land. But if Beal wants out of Washington, do we have the assets to pull off a deal that Washington would accept? I’m ready to give away draft picks to add a perennial all star to go next to LaMelo. If our existing talent ceiling is top 6-8 seed then we will have to hunt for a big time trade like this to make the next step. I realize that’s a long shot, but I feel like we have the Arsenal to do it now.

I'm pretty sure we can't trade any firsts until ours conveys to the Knicks from the Kai trade.

correct.

we don't have the flexibility to trade for anybody unless we're dealing members of our young core, or Hayward now.

[MasterIchiro]

Beal?

We should be targeting Deni Avdija, if anyone on that team.

[Roll Tide 09]

CHA OUT

Hayward, Washington, Carey, Martin, Richards, Iwundu, Smith

DAL OUT

Brunson, Porzingis

OKC OUT

Favors

MINN OUT

Towns, McDaniels

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CHA IN

Towns, McDaniels, Brunson
Cap Space Impact: +9.766,769

DAL IN

Hayward, Smith, Washington
Cap Space Impact: -$5,187,463

OKC IN

Martin, Richards, one draft pick
Cap Space Impact: +$6,420,298

MINN IN

Porzingis, Favors, Iwundu, Carey, several draft picks
Cap Space Impact: -$10,999,604

[HornetJail]

that is simply a horrific return for Minnesota. We'd be robbing them blind and Dallas is somehow getting the best return here by sending out somewhat negative value in Porzingis for Hayward and PJ?

Minnesota wouldn't do that trade for McDaniels, and there are just not enough draft picks possible to be sent out by these teams to Minnesota. We can't trade a 1st till 2027, Dallas can't trade one till 2025, OKC has no need to even be in the trade. This would take a near Harden-like package of picks, which we do not have.

[Trey24]

Man I see A LOT of people selling very very low on Hayward.

[Roll Tide 09]

Man I see A LOT of people selling very very low on Hayward.

Not low. He’s a rare talent. But we will have to over compensate for any decent trade. I love Hayward here.


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[Trey24]

Man I see A LOT of people selling very very low on Hayward.

Not low. He’s a rare talent. But we will have to over compensate for any decent trade. I love Hayward here.


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Actually wasn't referencing your trade, we would be idiots not to accept that lol

[Rich4114]

CHA OUT

Hayward, Washington, Carey, Martin, Richards, Iwundu, Smith

DAL OUT

Brunson, Porzingis

OKC OUT

Favors

MINN OUT

Towns, McDaniels

_____________________________


CHA IN

Towns, McDaniels, Brunson
Cap Space Impact: +9.766,769

DAL IN

Hayward, Smith, Washington
Cap Space Impact: -$5,187,463

OKC IN

Martin, Richards, one draft pick
Cap Space Impact: +$6,420,298

MINN IN

Porzingis, Favors, Iwundu, Carey, several draft picks
Cap Space Impact: -$10,999,604

I feel like this is the type of trade that we will end up having to make in order to take a leap forward in the conference. I like having a stable of young talent too, but at a certain point you have to cash in because the chances of them all developing to peak at the same time is pretty rare.

[yosemiteben]

Ummmm wut

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