Giannis - 2X MVP - FMVP - DPOY - Offseason discussion

[yannisk]

whoever has watched Bucks for 10 years and came to the conclusion that Bucks problem was having Giannis and the solution was trading him has to stop watching Skip Bayless/Ryan Hollins and the like. At least Skip does not believe most his takes.

If after winning the championship there are people still believing they were right Ι don't know what to say

[brettski]

But where is all that energy for Khris, somebody who had to claw and fight even harder than Giannis to stick in this league to become a two time all star, one of the best bucks in the last 40 years. When he has a bad series, people are begging to trade him for scraps and questioning if he’s been partying and drinking(see it all the time on this board). I’ve seen guys say **** cedi osman, Bojan Bogdanović etc… could replace Khris. It’s avatars and usernames literally disrespecting Khris on this board. Language?!

And don’t even get me started on Bud, Giannis and Khris puts up their mvp/all star numbers in 2017 and we cap out as a 7th seed. Bud comes in with soon to be outta the league Pat and Brook, and a washed up George hill and we become a **** juggernaut with one all nba player.
Do people know that Bud is going to be in the hall of fame right? And we got guys bring posters to the parade saying to fire him while he’s speaking . He got almost no credit for the run we just had, especially on here. “Well he wasn’t as bad as he usually is, still should’ve done this or that”.

I’m sorry but people saying Giannis played terrible or wretched or horrible is nothing at all. If Khris can be traded at anytime, Bud can be fired on the spot, then Giannis can be called out too.

Honestly if anyone came out of this looking better than they should have its Bud. He went back to the drop defense every series and almost needed to lose the first 1 or 2 games due to bad coaching to learn from it and evolve. We basically played each series starting off 0-2 down because of his coaching.

[Milbucks96]

But where is all that energy for Khris, somebody who had to claw and fight even harder than Giannis to stick in this league to become a two time all star, one of the best bucks in the last 40 years. When he has a bad series, people are begging to trade him for scraps and questioning if he’s been partying and drinking(see it all the time on this board). I’ve seen guys say **** cedi osman, Bojan Bogdanović etc… could replace Khris. It’s avatars and usernames literally disrespecting Khris on this board. Language?!

And don’t even get me started on Bud, Giannis and Khris puts up their mvp/all star numbers in 2017 and we cap out as a 7th seed. Bud comes in with soon to be outta the league Pat and Brook, and a washed up George hill and we become a **** juggernaut with one all nba player.
Do people know that Bud is going to be in the hall of fame right? And we got guys bring posters to the parade saying to fire him while he’s speaking . He got almost no credit for the run we just had, especially on here. “Well he wasn’t as bad as he usually is, still should’ve done this or that”.

I’m sorry but people saying Giannis played terrible or wretched or horrible is nothing at all. If Khris can be traded at anytime, Bud can be fired on the spot, then Giannis can be called out too.

Honestly if anyone came out of this looking better than they should have its Bud. He went back to the drop defense every series and almost needed to lose the first 1 or 2 games due to bad coaching to learn from it and evolve. We basically played each series starting off 0-2 down because of his coaching.

The bucks just had a historic playoff defense for the second time in three years and had the best defense in the league twice, and one of those years it was literally one of the best defenses ever… Are people really still talking about drop coverage when every team with a traditional big man plays drop coverage?!

The team has had elite defenses in every series basically, it has never been a problem lol. It’s always been the offense. We just won the championship because we were able to keep Brook on the floor and just bully teams. You know why? Drop coverage!!!

You know why we started down 0-2 to the nets and the suns? Because they had **** home court. The nets beat us badly not because of the defense, it was because they were clearly a better team lol. The suns won the first two games because of Giannis being hurt and unsustainable shooting, But we won four games in a row because we won the possession battle and shot quality battle, do you know how we did that? Staying big with Brook and using the drop coverage and forcing them into bad shots while shutting off the rim.

The bucks won the ring while shooting 30 percent from 3, 70 percent from the line all playoffs and people still think our coach doesn’t deserve any credit we literally closed out the ecf with Giannis in street clothes and you got people suggesting Bud was carried by the team. But I guess I can’t expect much when this board was wondering who had the coaching advantage out of the last four teams

[RiotPunch]

But where is all that energy for Khris, somebody who had to claw and fight even harder than Giannis to stick in this league to become a two time all star, one of the best bucks in the last 40 years. When he has a bad series, people are begging to trade him for scraps and questioning if he’s been partying and drinking(see it all the time on this board). I’ve seen guys say **** cedi osman, Bojan Bogdanović etc… could replace Khris. It’s avatars and usernames literally disrespecting Khris on this board. Language?!

And don’t even get me started on Bud, Giannis and Khris puts up their mvp/all star numbers in 2017 and we cap out as a 7th seed. Bud comes in with soon to be outta the league Pat and Brook, and a washed up George hill and we become a **** juggernaut with one all nba player.
Do people know that Bud is going to be in the hall of fame right? And we got guys bring posters to the parade saying to fire him while he’s speaking . He got almost no credit for the run we just had, especially on here. “Well he wasn’t as bad as he usually is, still should’ve done this or that”.

I’m sorry but people saying Giannis played terrible or wretched or horrible is nothing at all. If Khris can be traded at anytime, Bud can be fired on the spot, then Giannis can be called out too.

Honestly if anyone came out of this looking better than they should have its Bud. He went back to the drop defense every series and almost needed to lose the first 1 or 2 games due to bad coaching to learn from it and evolve. We basically played each series starting off 0-2 down because of his coaching.

The bucks just had a historic playoff defense for the second time in three years and had the best defense in the league twice, and one of those years it was literally one of the best defenses ever… Are people really still talking about drop coverage when every team with a traditional big man plays drop coverage?!

The team has had elite defenses in every series basically, it has never been a problem lol. It’s always been the offense. We just won the championship because we were able to keep Brook on the floor and just bully teams. You know why? Drop coverage!!!

You know why we started down 0-2 to the nets and the suns? Because they had **** home court. The nets beat us badly not because of the defense, it was because they were clearly a better team lol. The suns won the first two games because of Giannis being hurt and unsustainable shooting, But we won four games in a row because we won the possession battle and shot quality battle, do you know how we did that? Staying big with Brook and using the drop coverage and forcing them into bad shots while shutting off the rim.

The bucks won the ring while shooting 30 percent from 3, 70 percent from the line all playoffs and people still think our coach doesn’t deserve any credit we literally closed out the ecf with Giannis in street clothes and you got people suggesting Bud was carried by the team. But I guess I can’t expect much when this board was wondering who had the coaching advantage out of the last four teams

The naivety of going into that Hawks series without altering a damn thing was comical though. Condemning the drop is a blanket excuse, but not altering it out of stubbornness is condemnable. Trae makes his living on floaters, it took Bud way too long to not have Brook drop so deep. Took him too long against PHX as well, although Paul was just scorching coming into that series. I agree, though, that we have to continue to play variations of the drop with Brook, and that Brook is still pretty damn good.

Regarding the offense, The Lowe Post with Bud made me nervous moving forward-- the man would really rather trust the instincts of the players on a team with low-BBIQ than hammer home some offensive sets to put them in positions to succeed. I'm happy we won a championship, but that mentality, given this group, doesn't make me overly confident in a repeat.

[ShootingtheJ]

Honestly if anyone came out of this looking better than they should have its Bud. He went back to the drop defense every series and almost needed to lose the first 1 or 2 games due to bad coaching to learn from it and evolve. We basically played each series starting off 0-2 down because of his coaching.

The bucks just had a historic playoff defense for the second time in three years and had the best defense in the league twice, and one of those years it was literally one of the best defenses ever… Are people really still talking about drop coverage when every team with a traditional big man plays drop coverage?!

The team has had elite defenses in every series basically, it has never been a problem lol. It’s always been the offense. We just won the championship because we were able to keep Brook on the floor and just bully teams. You know why? Drop coverage!!!

You know why we started down 0-2 to the nets and the suns? Because they had **** home court. The nets beat us badly not because of the defense, it was because they were clearly a better team lol. The suns won the first two games because of Giannis being hurt and unsustainable shooting, But we won four games in a row because we won the possession battle and shot quality battle, do you know how we did that? Staying big with Brook and using the drop coverage and forcing them into bad shots while shutting off the rim.

The bucks won the ring while shooting 30 percent from 3, 70 percent from the line all playoffs and people still think our coach doesn’t deserve any credit we literally closed out the ecf with Giannis in street clothes and you got people suggesting Bud was carried by the team. But I guess I can’t expect much when this board was wondering who had the coaching advantage out of the last four teams

The naivety of going into that Hawks series without altering a damn thing was comical though. Condemning the drop is a blanket excuse, but not altering it out of stubbornness is condemnable. Trae makes his living on floaters, it took Bud way too long to not have Brook drop so deep. Took him too long against PHX as well, although Paul was just scorching coming into that series. I agree, though, that we have to continue to play variations of the drop with Brook, and that Brook is still pretty damn good.

Regarding the offense, The Lowe Post with Bud made me nervous moving forward-- the man would really rather trust the instincts of the players on a team with low-BBIQ than hammer home some offensive sets to put them in positions to succeed. I'm happy we won a championship, but that mentality, given this group, doesn't make me overly confident in a repeat.

The "this team has low BB IQ" takes are pretty worn out and outdated.

[sidney lanier]

The "this team has low BB IQ" takes are pretty worn out and outdated.

Agree. Simple is as simple does, and sometimes, like the hedgehog, you know the one big thing, like that shrimp is the fruit of the sea.

[MiltownHawkeye]

CHL looks like guy who posts only to talk about what is wrong. When nothing is wrong he doesnt post. Simple as that.

Something was very wrong about Giannis for years. He played like he wants to be Kobe. Then in the middle of last playoffs he changed 100% and started to play like Shaq. In the finals he even shortened his FT routine to 8 seconds and then in game 6 had 17-19 free throws.

Inteligent people attacked him for playing like Kobe because he should play like Shaq. CHL was wery right in 99% of things regarding Giannis. But Giannis then changed. It was not logical to expect that change honestly. He was very stuborn to play like Kobe for years. And to be disapointmant in playoffs. Not sure what happened. Some trully divane intervention. But he changed.

CHL did post after finalls. You can search his post history and see that. He is probably just not a guy who posts things like "oh yeah" or "i am so happy". I guess.

It's one thing to only post when something is wrong, it's another to go on long tirades calling everyone else blind homers for not wanting to trade a freshly supermaxed Giannis after a few bad playoff games

And then using "well I called that we should trade Jennings/Jabari/Sanders so I'm right about this too" as justification

[har13]

CHL looks like guy who posts only to talk about what is wrong. When nothing is wrong he doesnt post. Simple as that.

Something was very wrong about Giannis for years. He played like he wants to be Kobe. Then in the middle of last playoffs he changed 100% and started to play like Shaq. In the finals he even shortened his FT routine to 8 seconds and then in game 6 had 17-19 free throws.

Inteligent people attacked him for playing like Kobe because he should play like Shaq. CHL was wery right in 99% of things regarding Giannis. But Giannis then changed. It was not logical to expect that change honestly. He was very stuborn to play like Kobe for years. And to be disapointmant in playoffs. Not sure what happened. Some trully divane intervention. But he changed.

CHL did post after finalls. You can search his post history and see that. He is probably just not a guy who posts things like "oh yeah" or "i am so happy". I guess.

It's one thing to only post when something is wrong, it's another to go on long tirades calling everyone else blind homers for not wanting to trade a freshly supermaxed Giannis after a few bad playoff games

And then using "well I called that we should trade Jennings/Jabari/Sanders so I'm right about this too" as justification

People that believed Ben can be a better playoff player than Gianni cannot call themselves intelligent (at least at basketball), its ok to speak about basketball but when you speak so bad about someone as a human like Sigra did when you dont know him personally, never spoke to him, never heard anything bad about him also is more an indication of "hate" rather than an indication of intelligence"
Coming here and say all this changed for a month and i was right before is also an indication of an "ego"...

We said we must forget everything and be happy that we won the championship but comon now..i know he is only 26 and most of us probably much older but hear what Giannis is saying when he speaks..we can still learn about life and be better..

I feel proud with myself when i admit i was wrong..

[sidney lanier]

CHL looks like guy who posts only to talk about what is wrong. When nothing is wrong he doesnt post. Simple as that.

Something was very wrong about Giannis for years. He played like he wants to be Kobe. Then in the middle of last playoffs he changed 100% and started to play like Shaq. In the finals he even shortened his FT routine to 8 seconds and then in game 6 had 17-19 free throws.

Inteligent people attacked him for playing like Kobe because he should play like Shaq. CHL was wery right in 99% of things regarding Giannis. But Giannis then changed. It was not logical to expect that change honestly. He was very stuborn to play like Kobe for years. And to be disapointmant in playoffs. Not sure what happened. Some trully divane intervention. But he changed.

CHL did post after finalls. You can search his post history and see that. He is probably just not a guy who posts things like "oh yeah" or "i am so happy". I guess.

It's one thing to only post when something is wrong, it's another to go on long tirades calling everyone else blind homers for not wanting to trade a freshly supermaxed Giannis after a few bad playoff games

And then using "well I called that we should trade Jennings/Jabari/Sanders so I'm right about this too" as justification

Don't mean to pick on that one guy, but those who incessantly advocate trades on the basis that you sell high before a player's skills and value diminish are like the hypochondriac who puts on his tombstone "See, I told you I was sick." Everybody has a career arc, and that arc always slides down the y-axis eventually. But to advocate for a "process" that involves continual roster churn is idiotic, because it fails to account for the transactional costs of change. Every transaction has value leakage on both sides, and eventually that twitchiness tax grinds you into the dust.

[CharityStripe34]

There’s no need to revisit emotional hot takes out of left field during the middle of a crazy playoff series. It’s pretty clear that Gianni, Bud and Khris all grew together these playoffs and reached a point where the game itself “slows down” for them and the Bucks could establish their pace and style of play. I’m fascinated to see the growth and maturity of the team next season. It’s not a team I see falling prey to Riley’s “disease of more “ fate for returning champions. The Bucks are going to, relatively speaking, fly under the radar while everyone will be stroking it for a Brooklyn/LA Finals.

Reading through Fader’s book on Gianni and almost halfway through, it is a good read and well researched, but reads like a really long newspaper article as opposed to a biographical novel. The chapter on the 2013 draft where Danny Ferry was pining for Gianni was fascinating. I never knew the extent to which Ferry wanted him.

[sidney lanier]

There’s no need to revisit emotional hot takes out of left field during the middle of a crazy playoff series. It’s pretty clear that Gianni, Bud and Khris all grew together these playoffs and reached a point where the game itself “slows down” for them and the Bucks could establish their pace and style of play. I’m fascinated to see the growth and maturity of the team next season. It’s not a team I see falling prey to Riley’s “disease of more “ fate for returning champions. The Bucks are going to, relatively speaking, fly under the radar while everyone will be stroking it for a Brooklyn/LA Finals.

I hope they do fly under the radar while Brooklyn and the Lakers deal with the crush of expectations. The Nets still have to solve the problem of how to play with three ball-dominant guys, only one of whom has proven to be a willing passer. In a sense the Bucks got their best with only 1.5 of them playing. I think they'll get worse when all three are fully viable.

LeBron will turn 37 a couple of months into the season, and there are a lot of miles on that body. I remember when he came into the league how some people thought he was much older than his stated age. He's not exactly Benjamin Button, but he has aged pretty well. However, even LBJ is not tarnishing Father Time's unblemished record. I think he's too old to carry a team to the title anymore, AD is good but not great, and the roster fillers are just that.

I like our position.

[greekbuck34]

It took Bud 2 years to learn how to play against the wall instead of giving the ball to Giannis and Khris at the top of the key and ask them to beat 3-4 players without movement of the ball/players while our "PG" was sitting at the corner alone and simply unplayable.

It took Bud 2 and a half games to realize that it's really bad using Brook Lopez with drop coverage against a team that uses KD as their center. I'm not even sure he realized it first because Tucker and the players seemed to take over the game by themselves midway the 3rd game. Who would have thought that small ball Giannis was the answer against small ball KD?

Even despite the Nets series and the obvious "click" on our players minds Bud had to throw the first game of the ECF by having Brook watching Trey Young shoot wide open floaters and 3s for 3 quarters straight.
The same thing happened in the first two games against the Suns when CP3 and Booker looked like they were having their easiest series yet.

Bud should be commented for actually adjusting his tactic this past season but him starting each series with the way its known not to work unless the oppossing team can't shoot the ball it's a major concern. He is just too stubborn.

[GoldenAntlers]

Spending time on an emotionally charged discussion that lasted about a day and a half, months after it occurred, is not necessary. I would imagine 97% or more of the posters who engaged in that conversation have already been converted by now. There's an advanced stat for ya.

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[greekbuck34]

There’s no need to revisit emotional hot takes out of left field during the middle of a crazy playoff series. It’s pretty clear that Gianni, Bud and Khris all grew together these playoffs and reached a point where the game itself “slows down” for them and the Bucks could establish their pace and style of play. I’m fascinated to see the growth and maturity of the team next season. It’s not a team I see falling prey to Riley’s “disease of more “ fate for returning champions. The Bucks are going to, relatively speaking, fly under the radar while everyone will be stroking it for a Brooklyn/LA Finals.

The whole conversation started because a guy followed by a couple more wanted all of the board to realise midway the Nets series that:

1) Giannis is a good guy, we like that he was loyal and signed the supermax without having to do so right now (the moron ) but he is simply not that guy 100%.
2) He should be traded immediately before he loses all his value.
3) We will have a true championship level roster on day 1 because the haul based on the trading machine are simply outstanding.

Those were not emotional hot takes but simply (Please Use More Appropriate Word) ones. His posts had multiple "and 1s" and whoever laughed at them or saying to him that this is not NBA 2K but real life and that no real all stars and obviously superstars want to live and play in Milwaukee, was getting called either a greek homer or a coward for not admiting he was right.

[har13]

I understand if someone wanted to trade Giannis for Doncic, if he is under contract and you know he will play for the Bucks for years then why the hell not...maybe you can name 2,3 other players depending of what kind of basketball and players you prefer, sure, i can understand that..

What i cant understand tho are the Bucks fans who will call Giannis a problem or not good enough...

A team that cant sign not even an all star player..
A team that drafted Parker with the 2nd pick and got nothing for him..
That drafted 25 years Thon.

That had starters MCW,Snell and Plumlee and overpaid for them..
That the best player they signed the last 10 years is Monroe who is playing in Euroleague now..

At least friends you can appreciate what Giannis did, what Khris did, even before the championship, even if they didnt win it as they did, even if Giannis was not good enough to win a championship as the "number one" guy, comon now, we never had a Doncic or Durant or Shaq before to complain about Giannis guys...50 years ago sure..

Enjoy what we have because in 10 years we maybe celebrate if we sign a top 10-20 guy for the max..

[emunney]

WHO IS TO BLAME FOR THIS CHAMPIONSHIP???

[GoldenAntlers]

WHO IS TO BLAME FOR THIS CHAMPIONSHIP???

This is the post.

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

FYI for those of you like me that can't read but want to dive into the Giannis book, it is now on audible.

[sidney lanier]

There’s no need to revisit emotional hot takes out of left field during the middle of a crazy playoff series. It’s pretty clear that Gianni, Bud and Khris all grew together these playoffs and reached a point where the game itself “slows down” for them and the Bucks could establish their pace and style of play. I’m fascinated to see the growth and maturity of the team next season. It’s not a team I see falling prey to Riley’s “disease of more “ fate for returning champions. The Bucks are going to, relatively speaking, fly under the radar while everyone will be stroking it for a Brooklyn/LA Finals.

The whole conversation started because a guy followed by a couple more wanted all of the board to realise midway the Nets series that:

1) Giannis is a good guy, we like that he was loyal and signed the supermax without having to do so right now (the moron ) but he is simply not that guy 100%.
2) He should be traded immediately before he loses all his value.
3) We will have a true championship level roster on day 1 because the haul based on the trading machine are simply outstanding.

Those were not emotional hot takes but simply (Please Use More Appropriate Word) ones. His posts had multiple "and 1s" and whoever laughed at them or saying to him that this is not NBA 2K but real life and that no real all stars and obviously superstars want to live and play in Milwaukee, was getting called either a greek homer or a coward for not admiting he was right.

You're right. Those were not emotional hot takes. They were shouting "give us Barabbas" because they thought Giannis wasn't our basketball Messiah.

O them of little faith. May they be tortured in hell starving for sustenance with 50 Chick-Fil-A minis and a half Sprite, half lemonade just out of reach. Forever.

[tydett]

The evil that men do lives after them, the good oft interred with their bones - So let it be with anyone who's ever had a bad take.