Trade Talk (Part Eight)

[SO_MONEY]

7-4-1 are the numbers of a little used reserve. Not a decent contributing starter. He has potential to become that.

Do you honestly believe McDaniels won't improve upon them?

Also ignores his defense which is also used to justify Simmons poor offensive game...

Some people want it both ways.


McDaniels is literally a All-NBA caliber defender making $2mil, people are acting like posters who understand the irreplaceable value of that expect him to become KD. It is ridiculous.

They also act as if he is a finished product and doesn't have the potential, even likely potential to become a more versatile offensive player able to fit nearly any system. This is equally ridiculous.

[KGdaBom]

7-4-1 are the numbers of a little used reserve. Not a decent contributing starter. He has potential to become that.

Do you honestly believe McDaniels won't improve upon them?

I think he will. I'm expecting him to rise to the level of decent starting contributor.

[Krapinsky]

7-4-1 are the numbers of a little used reserve. Not a decent contributing starter. He has potential to become that.

Do you honestly believe McDaniels won't improve upon them?

I think he will. I'm expecting him to rise to the level of decent starting contributor.

So you're saying he'll never be more than 7-4-1 reserve - wow.

Just kidding, lol.

[KGdaBom]

Do you honestly believe McDaniels won't improve upon them?

I think he will. I'm expecting him to rise to the level of decent starting contributor.

So you're saying he'll never be more than 7-4-1 reserve - wow.

Just kidding, lol.

That seems to be how some are interpreting my stance. Never mind it's the exact opposite of what I've said.

[SO_MONEY]

I think he will. I'm expecting him to rise to the level of decent starting contributor.

So you're saying he'll never be more than 7-4-1 reserve - wow.

Just kidding, lol.

That seems to be how some are interpreting my stance. Never mind it's the exact opposite of what I've said.

If you expect McDaniels to improve in his numbers and you understand Simmons role here would reduce his numbers, how do you justify the $33mil difference?

What do you expect the difference to be year-by-year over the next 3 years?

I want to know what your idea of $33mil well spent is?!

[KGdaBom]

7-4-1 are the numbers of a little used reserve. Not a decent contributing starter. He has potential to become that.

Do you honestly believe McDaniels won't improve upon them?

Also ignores his defense which is also used to justify Simmons poor offensive game...

Some people want it both ways.


McDaniels is literally a All-NBA caliber defender making $2mil, people are acting like posters who understand the irreplaceable value of that expect him to become KD. It is ridiculous.

They also act as if he is a finished product and doesn't have the potential, even likely potential to become a more versatile offensive player able to fit nearly any system. This is equally ridiculous.

He plays good defense. I never said he didn't. You seem to want to make an issue out of this. At this point in his career McDaniels is a never was player with potential. That and being on the rookie contract of a late first round pick is why he's making 2 million per year. Simmons has been a key part of a team that without a 3 bounce off the rim shot that somehow went in could have been NBA champions. Multiple time all star. Yes making a lot of money because he was deemed worthy of a lot of money. I'm only in favor of trading for him if the cost is reasonable. If it were McDaniels with salary filler that would be very reasonable. It's going to be more. If it's much more I would decline to make the trade. So in conclusion McDaniels plus a little more yes. McDaniels plus a lot more no. That is my stance. Don't try to twist it.

[KGdaBom]

So you're saying he'll never be more than 7-4-1 reserve - wow.

Just kidding, lol.

That seems to be how some are interpreting my stance. Never mind it's the exact opposite of what I've said.

If you expect McDaniels to improve in his numbers and you understand Simmons role here would reduce his numbers, how do you justify the $33mil difference?

What do you expect the difference to be year-by-year over the next 3 years?

I want to know what your idea of $33mil well spent is?!

First I don't understand that Simmons role here would reduce his numbers. He got those numbers playing on a more talented team in Philly.
Getting a young all star in his prime is 33 million well spent. We can go round and round on this forever if you want. Actually we cant. I'm tired of it. I made another reply to you that's right above this one that spells out my stance so you read it and try to comprehend it. I like anybody else could be wrong just like you could. We don't need to continue on this.

[SO_MONEY]

That seems to be how some are interpreting my stance. Never mind it's the exact opposite of what I've said.

If you expect McDaniels to improve in his numbers and you understand Simmons role here would reduce his numbers, how do you justify the $33mil difference?

What do you expect the difference to be year-by-year over the next 3 years?

I want to know what your idea of $33mil well spent is?!

First I don't understand that Simmons role here would reduce his numbers. He got those numbers playing on a more talented team in Philly.
Getting a young all star in his prime is 33 million well spent. We can go round and round on this forever if you want. Actually we cant. I'm tired of it. I made another reply to you that's right above this one that spells out my stance so you read it and try to comprehend it. We don't need to continue on this.

You keep falling back to him being an all-star, that is subjective and I don't think he should have ever made the team. Market size definitely played a role for the league to maximize it's marketing potential and profitability.

And I notice you didn't answer my question!

[Baseline81]

I think he will. I'm expecting him to rise to the level of decent starting contributor.

What is a decent starting contributor? Stats or an example player?

[SO_MONEY]

I think he will. I'm expecting him to rise to the level of decent starting contributor.

What is a decent starting contributor? Stats or an example player?

He can't answer because it is marginally different than what Simmons puts up and he knows it will expose his terrible assessment of how you commit the difference in salary. He knows it, I know it, the entire board knows it. And this isn't even Simmons vs McDaniels, because more would need to be outgoing.

[jpatrick]

I think he will. I'm expecting him to rise to the level of decent starting contributor.

What is a decent starting contributor? Stats or an example player?

He can't answer because it is marginally different than what Simmons puts up and he knows it will expose his terrible assessment of how you commit the difference in salary. He knows it, I know it, the entire board knows it. And this isn't even Simmons vs McDaniels, because more would need to be outgoing.

McDaniels is a wildcard. He could turn out to be Paul George, he could turn into Jonathan Bender. Simmons is a known quantity. He was the second best player on a team that finished with the best record in the Eastern Conference LAST YEAR.

Do I want to trade McDaniels in a Simmons deal? No. Would I? Probably, depending on what else is going out.

The more and more national and local media talk about this being our last year with KAT if we don’t make the playoffs (was listening this morning to another), if we can make a move, we need to make a move. Or go the other way, trade KAT/DLo and build around Ant and McDaniels.

At the end of the day, I don’t think we do anything major because we don’t have the pieces. We run it back, finish around the 9th or 10th seed and we talk about blowing it up next offseason. I hope I’m wrong.

[Krapinsky]

If you expect McDaniels to improve in his numbers and you understand Simmons role here would reduce his numbers, how do you justify the $33mil difference?

What do you expect the difference to be year-by-year over the next 3 years?

I want to know what your idea of $33mil well spent is?!

First I don't understand that Simmons role here would reduce his numbers. He got those numbers playing on a more talented team in Philly.
Getting a young all star in his prime is 33 million well spent. We can go round and round on this forever if you want. Actually we cant. I'm tired of it. I made another reply to you that's right above this one that spells out my stance so you read it and try to comprehend it. We don't need to continue on this.

You keep falling back to him being an all-star, that is subjective and I don't think he should have ever made the team. Market size definitely played a role for the league to maximize it's marketing potential and profitability.

And I notice you didn't answer my question!

The irony here is pretty amusing to me. He's a three time all star and you're the one saying he should never have been an all star. Thus we have an objective measure of past voting and you disregard that and claim others are being subjective.

We have an objective measure of advanced stats to support how good he is and you reject that.

[SO_MONEY]

What is a decent starting contributor? Stats or an example player?

He can't answer because it is marginally different than what Simmons puts up and he knows it will expose his terrible assessment of how you commit the difference in salary. He knows it, I know it, the entire board knows it. And this isn't even Simmons vs McDaniels, because more would need to be outgoing.

McDaniels is a wildcard. He could turn out to be Paul George, he could turn into Jonathan Bender. Simmons is a known quantity. He was the second best player on a team that finished with the best record in the Eastern Conference LAST YEAR.

Do I want to trade McDaniels in a Simmons deal? No. Would I? Probably, depending on what else is going out.

The more and more national and local media talk about this being our last year with KAT if we don’t make the playoffs (was listening this morning to another), if we can make a move, we need to make a move. Or go the other way, trade KAT/DLo and build around Ant and McDaniels.

At the end of the day, I don’t think we do anything major because we don’t have the pieces. We run it back, finish around the 9th or 10th seed and we talk about blowing it up next offseason. I hope I’m wrong.

He is not going to be Jonathan Bender, c'mon now.

What some of us want to know is what statistical trajectory do you see from McDaniels relative to what you see Simmons putting up here, so we know what you are willing to spend the $33mil difference on.

If anyone doesn't want to answer, I will consider that point team keep McDaniels. And if people do answer I think it will show just how silly and wasteful Simmons contract is in comparison.

[SO_MONEY]

First I don't understand that Simmons role here would reduce his numbers. He got those numbers playing on a more talented team in Philly.
Getting a young all star in his prime is 33 million well spent. We can go round and round on this forever if you want. Actually we cant. I'm tired of it. I made another reply to you that's right above this one that spells out my stance so you read it and try to comprehend it. We don't need to continue on this.

You keep falling back to him being an all-star, that is subjective and I don't think he should have ever made the team. Market size definitely played a role for the league to maximize it's marketing potential and profitability.

And I notice you didn't answer my question!

The irony here is pretty amusing to me. He's a three time all star and you're the one saying he should never have been an all star. Thus we have an objective measure of past voting and you disregard that and claim others are being subjective.

We have an objective measure of advanced stats to support how good he is and you reject that.

1. Voting is subjective...he doesn't get every vote now does he... and clearly benefit from being in a larger markets like PHI (4th or 5th?).

2. He wasn't voted in every time...but was probably given preference based on market size and eyeballs getting added as a replacement. It is a business.

[_AIJ_]

One of the GOAT coach in Popovich is praising Ben Simmons. Some of Us mere mortals are not.

[SO_MONEY]

One of the GOAT coach in Popovich is praising Ben Simmons. Some of Us mere mortals are not.

I don't think anyone is saying he is a bad player, in fact I think basically EVERYONE admits he is a good or very good player, despite his contract and limitations. You are trying to muddy the waters by making claims people are doing things they are not.

[Krapinsky]

I think he will. I'm expecting him to rise to the level of decent starting contributor.

What is a decent starting contributor? Stats or an example player?

He can't answer because it is marginally different than what Simmons puts up and he knows it will expose his terrible assessment of how you commit the difference in salary. He knows it, I know it, the entire board knows it. And this isn't even Simmons vs McDaniels, because more would need to be outgoing.

The unrealzied upside of Mcdaniels is Jonathan Isaac or Otto Porter in my opinion. That's if everything works out. That is a level far below the realized version of Ben Simmons that we have now. And by the time Mcdaniels adds 20 lbs and eventually realizes that potential (big if), it will be time to pay him is market rate. Until then, do you want to win now and maximize Towns/Russell's prime or no?

[SO_MONEY]

What is a decent starting contributor? Stats or an example player?

He can't answer because it is marginally different than what Simmons puts up and he knows it will expose his terrible assessment of how you commit the difference in salary. He knows it, I know it, the entire board knows it. And this isn't even Simmons vs McDaniels, because more would need to be outgoing.

The unrealzied upside of Mcdaniels is Jonathan Isaac or Otto Porter in my opinion. That's if everything works out. That is a level far below the realized version of Ben Simmons that we have now. And by the time Mcdaniels adds 20 lbs and eventually realizes that potential (big if), it will be time to pay him is market rate. Until then, do you want to win now and maximize Towns/Russell's prime or no?

Projected stats over the next 3 years please?

What you are saying is empty otherwise if you are not assessing the difference between the two players and what the $33mil difference is worth.

[jpatrick]

He can't answer because it is marginally different than what Simmons puts up and he knows it will expose his terrible assessment of how you commit the difference in salary. He knows it, I know it, the entire board knows it. And this isn't even Simmons vs McDaniels, because more would need to be outgoing.

The unrealzied upside of Mcdaniels is Jonathan Isaac or Otto Porter in my opinion. That's if everything works out. That is a level far below the realized version of Ben Simmons that we have now. And by the time Mcdaniels adds 20 lbs and eventually realizes that potential (big if), it will be time to pay him is market rate. Until then, do you want to win now and maximize Towns/Russell's prime or no?

Projected stats over the next 3 years please?

What you are saying is empty otherwise if you are not assessing the difference between the two players and what the $33mil difference is worth.

Can you tell me what the Wolves are going to use that extra 33m on with no cap space either way? At least over the next few years unless we start dumping some of our “stars.”

[SO_MONEY]

The unrealzied upside of Mcdaniels is Jonathan Isaac or Otto Porter in my opinion. That's if everything works out. That is a level far below the realized version of Ben Simmons that we have now. And by the time Mcdaniels adds 20 lbs and eventually realizes that potential (big if), it will be time to pay him is market rate. Until then, do you want to win now and maximize Towns/Russell's prime or no?

Projected stats over the next 3 years please?

What you are saying is empty otherwise if you are not assessing the difference between the two players and what the $33mil difference is worth.

Can you tell me what the Wolves are going to use that extra 33m on with no cap space either way? At least over the next few years unless we start dumping some of our “stars.”

Can you answer my question, before asking your own?

And the answer of your question is easy.

If you are willing to trade expirings and a 1st, there is a pathway to keep Beasley, Reid, forget McDaniels and add a starting PF. A more likely pathway leads to keeping one of Beasley or Reid and gaining a starting PF. Literally, we could likely get Lauri for expirings and a 1st right now. Gordon could again be a target as he will be a UFA and DEN might not want to pay him. There are options other than Simmons.