Fake Trade Thread #3

[LofJ]

Ummmm wut

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This is additional evidence that either Hayward or Rozier are being shopped. We'd have to trade away all 5 of Iwundu, Martin, McDaniels, Carey, and Richards to match Lamb's salary. Kupchak isn't doing that, and we likely aren't trading any of our recent 1st round picks, Ish Smith (not when he's our only bench PG), or Plumlee for Lamb.

I guess we could move Oubre for Lamb, but that's really redundant, especially considering that Oubre is healthy and Lamb isn't.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

The idea of Lamb & Turner for Hayward has been out there for months. I would rather have Hayward, but replacing him with Lamb & Turner would give the team a huge amount of depth & size.

[Chapelchilla]

The idea of Lamb & Turner for Hayward has been out there for months. I would rather have Hayward, but replacing him with Lamb & Turner would give the team a huge amount of depth & size.

I don't like it but I guess it wouldn't be terrible.

[HornetJail]

I would've been thrilled if we got that deal while attaching 1 1st

still would be

[luciano-davidwesley]

Roster spots are an issue in a Hayward for Turner and Lamb deal unless we can also attach the likes of Richards/Martin/Iwundu.

Do Lamb and Turner have shorter deals than Hayward?

[JDR720]

Lamb is expiring and Myles has 2 years.

I'd do it. Lamb, if he is healthy, + Oubre will replace Gordon pretty easily. Myles + Plumlee would suddenly give us a pretty solid center rotation too.

The only players we could realistically trade are Gordon and PJ.

We aren't trading any of our free agent signings or Plumlee. We aren't trading our higher value young guys like Miles and Bou. We are't trading our horde of lower value rookie contract guys, except as a filler. We aren't trading Rozier since we just extended him.

So that leaves Gordon and PJ. And Gordon happens to match almost perfectly with Lamb + Myles salaries. We'd probably include Martin too.

[Liver_Pooty]

Hayward is one of the only people other than Rozier right now who we can give the ball too and say "go get a bucket". Injury plagued or not I don't like it.

Edit: Hayward is a much better player than Oubre.

[Chapelchilla]

Hayward is one of the only people other than Rozier right now who we can give the ball too and say "go get a bucket". Injury plagued or not I don't like it.

Edit: Hayward is a much better player than Oubre.

Exactly, why trade our second best player for a mid tier center?

[Roll Tide 09]

Well, we clearly want to build a contending team. I don't really like the idea of trading Hayward for either player. But if we can secure a few draft picks, I'd do it. The draft picks will help us get the player we need when attached to a player such as Washington.

[JDR720]

The reasons for trading Gordon are

1- He is 31 years old. Thus doesn't align with our core players.
2- He gets hurt all the time.
3- He makes 30m per year for the next 3 years.

Trading him would make Miles and our other young player step up too. If Miles can do what he did for the 2nd half of last season for a full season, he is better for us than Gordon is.

[Chapelchilla]

The reasons for trading Gordon are

1- He is 31 years old. Thus doesn't align with our core players.
2- He gets hurt all the time.
3- He makes 30m per year for the next 3 years.

Trading him would make Miles and our other young player step up too. If Miles can do what he did for the 2nd half of last season for a full season, he is better for us than Gordon is.

Our record without Gordon last year was terrible. Miles did step up but it did not translate directly to wins. There is a reason (besides greed) that Ainge would not trade Gordon for Myles when he had the chance. He wanted more. A broken down mediocre Lamb is not enough. If they want to give a a first I am onboard.

[LofJ]

Hayward to Golden State
Wiggins to Cleveland
Rubio and Osman to Charlotte

GS probably adding a draft asset going our way as well.

[JDR720]

Our record without Gordon last year was terrible. Miles did step up but it did not translate directly to wins. There is a reason (besides greed) that Ainge would not trade Gordon for Myles when he had the chance. He wanted more. A broken down mediocre Lamb is not enough. If they want to give a a first I am onboard.

Our record without Gordon was terrible. But that's one of the biggest reasons to trade him. He's going to be hurt again, and our record without him will be terrible again. We lack depth. What Ainge did or didn't do isn't relevant now.

He is this teams version of "prime" MKG. MKG was our 2nd best player for a few of the Kemba years. We always played really poorly without him, and sometimes were pretty good ( at least on defense) with him. But the biggest issue was that MKG would always get hurt. So we just kept repeating that cycle until he washed out of the league. Gordon won't wash out of the league, but if given the chance we should trade him before he becomes untradeable or a clear negative asset. If not, we're just on an "injury treadmill" hoping he stays healthy so we can have a chance. That's not how you build around Ball, who may be our only legitimate superstar in franchise history.

[Bassman]

Hayward was in the Pacer’s crosshairs before we got him. Myles Turner has been a Hornet’s player of interest. I still think this may get done before the season. Plumlee is good, but does he really push us that much higher? Get Turner as our starter with Plumlee in reserve and you’ve got something. Plus one can never have enough “Miles/Myles” on a team, right?

Hayward is good, but he will inevitably begin to regress, regardless of possible regular injury. In this scenario our front court could go big with Turner, PJ, Bridges, or smaller with Turner, Bridges, Oubre. In any case I’d see Lamb as more of a break glass in emergency player, unless BOUK is just not handling league minutes.

Having said all that, I just don’t think Hayward gets dealt. PJ and others maybe.

[SWedd523]

People keep bringing up the team's record without Gordo.

I wouldn't mind seeing the W/L splits without Gordo while Melo wasn't hurt and/or otherwise a healthy team

[luciano-davidwesley]

The reasons for trading Gordon are

1- He is 31 years old. Thus doesn't align with our core players.
2- He gets hurt all the time.
3- He makes 30m per year for the next 3 years.

Trading him would make Miles and our other young player step up too. If Miles can do what he did for the 2nd half of last season for a full season, he is better for us than Gordon is.

I'd also like to add
4- He's soft AND/OR a slow healer AND/OR he doesn't care about the team (2 months out with a sprained ankle and he didn't even try to get on the court for the play-in/play offs) GUARANTEED LONG-TERM CONTRACTS BABY!!! GORDON THANKS HIS COMRADES IN THE NBAPA!

[CuseMayne]

The reasons for trading Gordon are

1- He is 31 years old. Thus doesn't align with our core players.
2- He gets hurt all the time.
3- He makes 30m per year for the next 3 years.

Trading him would make Miles and our other young player step up too. If Miles can do what he did for the 2nd half of last season for a full season, he is better for us than Gordon is.

I'd also like to add
4- He's soft AND/OR a slow healer AND/OR he doesn't care about the team (2 months out with a sprained ankle and he didn't even try to get on the court for the play-in/play offs) GUARANTEED LONG-TERM CONTRACTS BABY!!! GORDON THANKS HIS COMRADES IN THE NBAPA!

This upcoming year is going to be big for Hayward and for how his career will be remembered. He can either re-affirm his reputation as being made of glass and miss a bunch of time and be unreliable, or he can come off an entire summer of being healthy and bring the veteran leadership and fringe All-Star level play that we brought him here for. Obviously the health piece has a lot of luck involved, but yes, if he's out 2 months for an injury he may be able to gut out (like he did for the Celtics) and doesn't even attempt to play when our playoff lives depend on it, then that will just be massively disappointing.


All of that said, Lamb + Turner for Hayward...very very tempting. If it's on the table, I'd probably do it. I'm really not sure when or how we're going to be able to get our quality starting C to pair with LaMelo long term. I like Plumlee for the 2 year stopgap, but I like him a lot more as a 20-25mpg backup. Kai's 1-2 years away from us finding out if he's the guy. Vern and Richards are both pretty damn limited in their own ways. Turner might just be the best guy we can realistically get anytime soon.

[Chapelchilla]

The Hornets were in 4th place having won 5 of the last 7 on April the second when Hayward sprained his FOOT, not his ankle. They quickly tumbled right out of the playoff picture. Other injuries and COVID obviously hurt the record too.
We brought in Oubre this summer to have a NBA starter level player if Hayward gets hurt again so we should not completely crumble if he gets a minor injury (or we can just be smart and limit his minutes a bit). To win in the playoffs we would need him out there and playoff wins should be the next goal here.

I am not opposed to trading Hayward for a profit if the deal comes along but trading him off for a loss is just not smart asset management. I think Mitch is a better judge of that value then any of us and he actually sees the injury info. He knows if the sprain is a long term issue, a fluke or if Hayward was just milking it. I did not get that impression and figured we may have shut him down to get a higher pick when it was clear we were all banged up but none of us know those facts. Mitch has had a lot of praise for Gordon in the past.
I would let the line up we have play and if we can be competitive with our horrible early season schedule then we have something to build ON not break up. If we are not on track for the playoffs at the deadline, sure then make a trade for the long term future.

[MPM]

Not advocating for or against a Hayward trade, but no better trade partner for maximizing his value than the Pacers. For them, Hayward has appeal far beyond 'basketball reasons' - he's Indianapolis through and through and would be a big get for the Pacers brand. Sorta like Kemba going back to NYC but even more of a big deal.

[HornetJail]

Not advocating for or against a Hayward trade, but no better trade partner for maximizing his value than the Pacers. For them, Hayward has appeal far beyond 'basketball reasons' - he's Indianapolis through and through and would be a big get for the Pacers brand. Sorta like Kemba going back to NYC but even more of a big deal.

I realllllllly want either of their bigs.

Would've happily traded Hayward and pick #11 for either one, more for Sabonis potentially. Too bad we can't legally trade our picks now till like 2027 and Bouknight isn't going to have any value to them with LaVert and Duarte there already.