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[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah, they also have LeBron, AD and Westbrook to trade. They aren't going to trade any of the guys they just signed or AD+LeBron. Westbrook would be the only chance if the experiment fails.

Point is, I don't think Lakers would get Lamb and so likely Charlotte are the ones interested.

Are you saying that you think that Nunn and THT are as key and locked in as Westbrook?

I think THT is and Nunn has a default NTC I believe.

Regardless, Westbrook might be moved if the fit doesn't work. I find it more likely than Nunn being moved / agreeing to leave and Lakers moving THT, who was chosen over Caruso and Lowry.

Why would Nunn have a NTC? The Lakers didn’t re sign him with non bird rights. He won’t have bird or early bird rights at years end.

[Scoot McGroot]

What’s the deal with Lamb? If he’s healthy, what’s he like as a player?

I wouldn’t hate the Wolves doing something like Okogie+Layman for him if he’s a decent player (and healthy).

Mostly just health questions. He’s a poor defender at the SG, but not insanely so. However, he’s a TERRIBLE defender if you throw him out there at the SF, and even worse if you try him at PF defensively. He tries. He’s just not good.

Offensively however, he’s a neat player. Historically, he’s a slasher/creator with just enough shot to keep teams honest. Last year was an outlier that he hit EVERYTHING well until he tapered off at the end. He worked on his shot a ton during his knee injury before he could get back on his feet, but I bet he falls back a bit. Otherwise, he’s kind of just a bucket getter? If that makes sense?

Mostly, we just had guys develop ahead of him. We got Levert. Sumner flashed. We drafted Duarte. We still have Justin Holiday. Lamb just kind of got lost in the shuffle, and ideally, we’d prefer a 3rd PG to keeping him as a 4th or 5th SG. And like I said, he cant reasonably be thrown out there at another position.

[pacers33granger]

Lamb is worth his contract if healthy. He's not a bargain, just fairly paid. Which is why the report makes sense that teams want to see if he is fully healthy. He's a useful guy on the court and a solid teammate who is very available if you're willing to take on some money. We'd obviously prefer to get an asset and very likely wouldn't swap him for small savings attached to a useless player, but other than that I'm sure we'd kind of give him away to someone who could use him.

[shangrila]

What’s the deal with Lamb? If he’s healthy, what’s he like as a player?

I wouldn’t hate the Wolves doing something like Okogie+Layman for him if he’s a decent player (and healthy).

Mostly just health questions. He’s a poor defender at the SG, but not insanely so. However, he’s a TERRIBLE defender if you throw him out there at the SF, and even worse if you try him at PF defensively. He tries. He’s just not good.

Offensively however, he’s a neat player. Historically, he’s a slasher/creator with just enough shot to keep teams honest. Last year was an outlier that he hit EVERYTHING well until he tapered off at the end. He worked on his shot a ton during his knee injury before he could get back on his feet, but I bet he falls back a bit. Otherwise, he’s kind of just a bucket getter? If that makes sense?

Mostly, we just had guys develop ahead of him. We got Levert. Sumner flashed. We drafted Duarte. We still have Justin Holiday. Lamb just kind of got lost in the shuffle, and ideally, we’d prefer a 3rd PG to keeping him as a 4th or 5th SG. And like I said, he cant reasonably be thrown out there at another position.

How's he in the locker room?

I definitely want more adults on the Wolves and if we're just shuffling out some bit pieces I could get behind it. Might want a 2nd from you guys for the roughly 2.5mil in salary difference, would that be an issue?

[HornetJail]

What’s the deal with Lamb? If he’s healthy, what’s he like as a player?

I wouldn’t hate the Wolves doing something like Okogie+Layman for him if he’s a decent player (and healthy).

Mostly just health questions. He’s a poor defender at the SG, but not insanely so. However, he’s a TERRIBLE defender if you throw him out there at the SF, and even worse if you try him at PF defensively. He tries. He’s just not good.

Offensively however, he’s a neat player. Historically, he’s a slasher/creator with just enough shot to keep teams honest. Last year was an outlier that he hit EVERYTHING well until he tapered off at the end. He worked on his shot a ton during his knee injury before he could get back on his feet, but I bet he falls back a bit. Otherwise, he’s kind of just a bucket getter? If that makes sense?

Mostly, we just had guys develop ahead of him. We got Levert. Sumner flashed. We drafted Duarte. We still have Justin Holiday. Lamb just kind of got lost in the shuffle, and ideally, we’d prefer a 3rd PG to keeping him as a 4th or 5th SG. And like I said, he cant reasonably be thrown out there at another position.

that's odd, I always thought Lamb was better defending SFs than guards in Charlotte

[pacers33granger]

How's he in the locker room?

I definitely want more adults on the Wolves and if we're just shuffling out some bit pieces I could get behind it. Might want a 2nd from you guys for the roughly 2.5mil in salary difference, would that be an issue?

Solid. He's not a PJ Tucker type, but he sticks up for his teammates. He was the main guy sticking up for Goga when he was injured and could have just sat on the sidelines. He's a really chill guy. So he won't spark anything in young guys likely, but works hard (he came back pretty early from that major injury) and is well liked.

As for the deal, I'm not sure we'd be interested at this point. Neither of those guys would play either and we'd prefer not to take on another guaranteed deal.

[pacers33granger]

that's odd, I always thought Lamb was better defending SFs than guards in Charlotte

His length tends to be better at disrupting guards than SFs. And he's typically better away from the basket because he tends to get bullied on drives. So he works more on guards, though he's not a good defender at the guard position either. Difference from Charlotte could be age and the game has shifted a bit even in that short time.

[Scoot McGroot]

What’s the deal with Lamb? If he’s healthy, what’s he like as a player?

I wouldn’t hate the Wolves doing something like Okogie+Layman for him if he’s a decent player (and healthy).

Mostly just health questions. He’s a poor defender at the SG, but not insanely so. However, he’s a TERRIBLE defender if you throw him out there at the SF, and even worse if you try him at PF defensively. He tries. He’s just not good.

Offensively however, he’s a neat player. Historically, he’s a slasher/creator with just enough shot to keep teams honest. Last year was an outlier that he hit EVERYTHING well until he tapered off at the end. He worked on his shot a ton during his knee injury before he could get back on his feet, but I bet he falls back a bit. Otherwise, he’s kind of just a bucket getter? If that makes sense?

Mostly, we just had guys develop ahead of him. We got Levert. Sumner flashed. We drafted Duarte. We still have Justin Holiday. Lamb just kind of got lost in the shuffle, and ideally, we’d prefer a 3rd PG to keeping him as a 4th or 5th SG. And like I said, he cant reasonably be thrown out there at another position.

How's he in the locker room?

I definitely want more adults on the Wolves and if we're just shuffling out some bit pieces I could get behind it. Might want a 2nd from you guys for the roughly 2.5mil in salary difference, would that be an issue?

He’s definitely an adult. He’s well liked and doesn’t cause trouble. Not really a big voice In the locker room, but he won’t cause trouble, for sure.

If we pay a 2nd, we’d probably be wanting more than just a $2.5m salary savings. We could kick in the $3m cash, or maybe include right to swap. We’d be waiving one, if not both, of the incoming though. We ideally need a 3rd Pg more than a 6th or 7th wing.

[Scoot McGroot]

that's odd, I always thought Lamb was better defending SFs than guards in Charlotte

His length tends to be better at disrupting guards than SFs. And he's typically better away from the basket because he tends to get bullied on drives. So he works more on guards, though he's not a good defender at the guard position either. Difference from Charlotte could be age and the game has shifted a bit even in that short time.

He wasn’t particularly good defensively before the major knee injury, but after, he’s definitely not even to that level, I think.

[pacers33granger]

that's odd, I always thought Lamb was better defending SFs than guards in Charlotte

His length tends to be better at disrupting guards than SFs. And he's typically better away from the basket because he tends to get bullied on drives. So he works more on guards, though he's not a good defender at the guard position either. Difference from Charlotte could be age and the game has shifted a bit even in that short time.

He wasn’t particularly good defensively before the major knee injury, but after, he’s definitely not even to that level, I think.

Yeah he's not fully there yet, but is somewhat of a tall Lou Williams on defense. Again, the length helps and he tries, but it just doesn't work out.

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[shangrila]

Mostly just health questions. He’s a poor defender at the SG, but not insanely so. However, he’s a TERRIBLE defender if you throw him out there at the SF, and even worse if you try him at PF defensively. He tries. He’s just not good.

Offensively however, he’s a neat player. Historically, he’s a slasher/creator with just enough shot to keep teams honest. Last year was an outlier that he hit EVERYTHING well until he tapered off at the end. He worked on his shot a ton during his knee injury before he could get back on his feet, but I bet he falls back a bit. Otherwise, he’s kind of just a bucket getter? If that makes sense?

Mostly, we just had guys develop ahead of him. We got Levert. Sumner flashed. We drafted Duarte. We still have Justin Holiday. Lamb just kind of got lost in the shuffle, and ideally, we’d prefer a 3rd PG to keeping him as a 4th or 5th SG. And like I said, he cant reasonably be thrown out there at another position.

How's he in the locker room?

I definitely want more adults on the Wolves and if we're just shuffling out some bit pieces I could get behind it. Might want a 2nd from you guys for the roughly 2.5mil in salary difference, would that be an issue?

He’s definitely an adult. He’s well liked and doesn’t cause trouble. Not really a big voice In the locker room, but he won’t cause trouble, for sure.

If we pay a 2nd, we’d probably be wanting more than just a $2.5m salary savings. We could kick in the $3m cash, or maybe include right to swap. We’d be waiving one, if not both, of the incoming though. We ideally need a 3rd Pg more than a 6th or 7th wing.

Solid. He's not a PJ Tucker type, but he sticks up for his teammates. He was the main guy sticking up for Goga when he was injured and could have just sat on the sidelines. He's a really chill guy. So he won't spark anything in young guys likely, but works hard (he came back pretty early from that major injury) and is well liked.

As for the deal, I'm not sure we'd be interested at this point. Neither of those guys would play either and we'd prefer not to take on another guaranteed deal.

Fair point. I guess my concern is moving the Wolves closer to the lux, especially with Vanderbilt and to a lesser extent McLaughlin still unsigned...but that probably doesn't justify squeezing a 2nd out of the Pacers.

So yeah, I'd do Layman and Okogie for Lamb and cash. You guys want to call Pritchard or should I call Rosas?

(P.S. Cheers for the responses. Nice to have some civil back and forths every once in awhile)

[shangrila]

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That's really poorly worded. I had all the laughing emojis ready at that 24mil extension before realising he basically just got another year at the rate he's earning now.

[HartfordWhalers]

Brad Stevens feels like a kid he was just told he could do something.

You mean I can do this? And this? And this?

[pacers33granger]

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Fair point. I guess my concern is moving the Wolves closer to the lux, especially with Vanderbilt and to a lesser extent McLaughlin still unsigned...but that probably doesn't justify squeezing a 2nd out of the Pacers.

The funny part there is that Indy's main incentive is to get breathing room under the tax. Per Spotrac we have just $763,905 in room right now. And we have a few guys with bonuses that could be met that pushes us over. So beyond Lamb not having much of a spot, we need a bit of room.

[shangrila]

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Fair point. I guess my concern is moving the Wolves closer to the lux, especially with Vanderbilt and to a lesser extent McLaughlin still unsigned...but that probably doesn't justify squeezing a 2nd out of the Pacers.

The funny part there is that Indy's main incentive is to get breathing room under the tax. Per Spotrac we have just $763,905 in room right now. And we have a few guys with bonuses that could be met that pushes us over. So beyond Lamb not having much of a spot, we need a bit of room.

That's why I was kind of hoping to subtly strong arm some extra value out of you guys.

Like "hey, you guys are getting kinda close to the lux there. Might be a problem if you crossed it, you know? But no worries, I can help you out. Won't even cost much..."

Hell, we were basically where you guys were before we moved Rubio. I don't think Rosas has gotten enough credit for essentially swapping him for Beverley honestly.

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The Celtics are very much gambling that the Wizards are going to value the guys they're re-signing to those contracts, on those contracts.

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[MoneyTalks41890]

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The Celtics are very much gambling that the Wizards are going to value the guys they're re-signing to those contracts, on those contracts.

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I agree, that was my initial reaction as well

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The Celtics are very much gambling that the Wizards are going to value the guys they're re-signing to those contracts, on those contracts.

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I don’t think its a gamble, they’re really don’t have any other avenue. Plus if Smart and Williams walk in free agency your losing two more salary slots that cannot be replaced and outside of getting lucking on a later first round pick have no other way to acquire young talent. I think basically three bad years from Ainge has really put Stevens in a poor position to start, seems obvious that he wasn’t on board with the way Ainge had been building the roster.

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The Celtics are very much gambling that the Wizards are going to value the guys they're re-signing to those contracts, on those contracts.

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I agree, that was my initial reaction as well

I mean one year of Horford and one year of Richardson aren't going to be a deal breaker if Beal wants Boston next off-season. Just means Boston will cough up a little better incentive in the S&T. I don't think that's an issue if Beal is really the next step.