Frank Lee wrote:Trouble with Shamet…. If he plays well, we won’t be able to afford to keep him
And if he doesn’t , we’ll, we didn’t need him.
Kind of a sham situation
The two situations aren’t the same but this is why I hated the Brandon Knight trade back in the day.
I think a big reason he got $70M from Ryan McDonough wasn’t because he was worth anywhere close to it but rather McDonough couldn’t afford him to let him walk after half a season when he traded a 1st rd pick for him.
Trading for role players who are on the last year of their contract is almost always a bad idea for the reason you just said. The only time it’s a good option is if the player is a star player.
Frank Lee wrote:Trouble with Shamet…. If he plays well, we won’t be able to afford to keep him
And if he doesn’t , we’ll, we didn’t need him.
Kind of a sham situation
The two situations aren’t the same but this is why I hated the Brandon Knight trade back in the day.
I think a big reason he got $70M from Ryan McDonough wasn’t because he was worth anywhere close to it but rather McDonough couldn’t afford him to let him walk after half a season when he traded a 1st rd pick for him.
Trading for role players who are on the last year of their contract is almost always a bad idea for the reason you just said. The only time it’s a good option is if the player is a star player.
I don't think it's a bad idea at all, especially if you are not giving up very good assets and shredding future salary (Carter in 2 years). He will help us way more than a rookie and we control rights to keep if we want (and won't pay a ton if we do) or possibly S&T. I think if we don't want to go far into tax and want to keep him we try and dump Saric somehow. I was also thinking we could stretch him after this year and it would be about a $3 million cap hit for 3 years which might be a good idea to finally use. They could also S&T him for a cheap player or late pick if a team needs an experienced elite 3 pt shooter in the Redick mold.
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Frank Lee wrote:Trouble with Shamet…. If he plays well, we won’t be able to afford to keep him
And if he doesn’t , we’ll, we didn’t need him.
Kind of a sham situation
The two situations aren’t the same but this is why I hated the Brandon Knight trade back in the day.
I think a big reason he got $70M from Ryan McDonough wasn’t because he was worth anywhere close to it but rather McDonough couldn’t afford him to let him walk after half a season when he traded a 1st rd pick for him.
Trading for role players who are on the last year of their contract is almost always a bad idea for the reason you just said. The only time it’s a good option is if the player is a star player.
I don't think it's a bad idea at all, especially if you are not giving up very good assets and shredding future salary (Carter in 2 years). He will help us way more than a rookie and we control rights to keep if we want (and won't pay a ton if we do) or possibly S&T. I think if we don't want to go far into tax and want to keep him we try and dump Saric somehow. I was also thinking we could stretch him after this year and it would be about a $3 million cap hit for 3 years which might be a good idea to finally use. They could also S&T him for a cheap player or late pick if a team needs an experienced elite 3 pt shooter in the Redick mold.
Carter was on a very cheap salary so his contract was pretty good for someone providing good defense and shoots 38% from 3 for his career as the 3rd string PG. There’s zero chance they would have had to attach a pick just to get rid of Carter, his was a value contract.
Shamet is under contract for one year. A rookie would’ve been under a dirt cheap rookie contract for four years. I think a rookie would help us more over the course of four years than Shamet will in one year.
And yea there’s a chance the rookie could bust because late first 1st rd pick usually don’t make much of a difference. But you never know, Shamet himself is a late first rd pick and having someone like him for 4 years at the cheap rookie contract would be a good asset to have.
Saric will be an expiring deal next summer so that should help move him if they decide to do that. Or use him to acquire another player making similar salary.
I hope Shamet won’t get paid much and gets something similar to what Bryn Forbes got. Similar player.
Revived wrote:The two situations aren’t the same but this is why I hated the Brandon Knight trade back in the day.
I think a big reason he got $70M from Ryan McDonough wasn’t because he was worth anywhere close to it but rather McDonough couldn’t afford him to let him walk after half a season when he traded a 1st rd pick for him.
Trading for role players who are on the last year of their contract is almost always a bad idea for the reason you just said. The only time it’s a good option is if the player is a star player.
I don't think it's a bad idea at all, especially if you are not giving up very good assets and shredding future salary (Carter in 2 years). He will help us way more than a rookie and we control rights to keep if we want (and won't pay a ton if we do) or possibly S&T. I think if we don't want to go far into tax and want to keep him we try and dump Saric somehow. I was also thinking we could stretch him after this year and it would be about a $3 million cap hit for 3 years which might be a good idea to finally use. They could also S&T him for a cheap player or late pick if a team needs an experienced elite 3 pt shooter in the Redick mold.
Carter was on a very cheap salary so his contract was pretty good for someone providing good defense and shoots 38% from 3 for his career as the 3rd string PG. There’s zero chance they would have had to attach a pick just to get rid of Carter, his was a value contract.
Shamet is under contract for one year. A rookie would’ve been under a dirt cheap rookie contract for four years. I think a rookie would help us more over the course of four years than Shamet will in one year.
And yea there’s a chance the rookie could bust because late first 1st rd pick usually don’t make much of a difference. But you never know, Shamet himself is a late first rd pick and having someone like him for 4 years at the cheap rookie contract would be a good asset to have.
Saric will be an expiring deal next summer so that should help move him if they decide to do that. Or use him to acquire another player making similar salary.
I hope Shamet won’t get paid much and gets something similar to what Bryn Forbes got. Similar player.
Yeah, that's why I initially didn't care for the trade because I think cheap rookies are important, though I am usually over enthusiastic about how late picked rookies will turn out, and we've seen Okobo, Ulis, Goodwin and Jerome.
But I like what Shamet brings as we desperately needed a solid 4th guard who could shoot in a variety of ways and handle. David Nash and Max broke down well how Carter was useless offensively outside of catch and shoot, and if he had to handle, was a mess. I never liked the Carter contract, and going into the tax next year, he would have really cost a lot more if you consider the tax added on for going over. The jury is out though until we see how Shamet works out.
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Mulhollanddrive wrote:That's an interesting point about Shamet being a PG option.
He had 3 games for Brooklyn where they were missing ball handlers where he had 5-8 assists and only 1-2 turnovers.
I imagine in a playoff game he would play PG before Payton.
Yeah, he basically was a PG in college. Averaged 5.2 apg the year he came out (junior year) while also having a 65.5% TS%. Curry for example averaged 5.6 apg the year he cam out (junior year) while having a 60.4% TS%. Shamet had a lot tougher SOS too. Not saying he is nearly on the level of Curry but a somewhat similar type of player coming out of college.
He was a pretty big part of that Clippers team that overachieved big time the year before they got Kawhi and George and got the 8th seed. Started over 90% of his games there and shot 45% from 3 after he was traded in the Tobias Harris trade. He even started over half of his games for the Clippers last year after they got Kawhi and George when they got the 2 seed.
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bwgood77 wrote: I don't think it's a bad idea at all, especially if you are not giving up very good assets and shredding future salary (Carter in 2 years). He will help us way more than a rookie and we control rights to keep if we want (and won't pay a ton if we do) or possibly S&T. I think if we don't want to go far into tax and want to keep him we try and dump Saric somehow. I was also thinking we could stretch him after this year and it would be about a $3 million cap hit for 3 years which might be a good idea to finally use. They could also S&T him for a cheap player or late pick if a team needs an experienced elite 3 pt shooter in the Redick mold.
Carter was on a very cheap salary so his contract was pretty good for someone providing good defense and shoots 38% from 3 for his career as the 3rd string PG. There’s zero chance they would have had to attach a pick just to get rid of Carter, his was a value contract.
Shamet is under contract for one year. A rookie would’ve been under a dirt cheap rookie contract for four years. I think a rookie would help us more over the course of four years than Shamet will in one year.
And yea there’s a chance the rookie could bust because late first 1st rd pick usually don’t make much of a difference. But you never know, Shamet himself is a late first rd pick and having someone like him for 4 years at the cheap rookie contract would be a good asset to have.
Saric will be an expiring deal next summer so that should help move him if they decide to do that. Or use him to acquire another player making similar salary.
I hope Shamet won’t get paid much and gets something similar to what Bryn Forbes got. Similar player.
Yeah, that's why I initially didn't care for the trade because I think cheap rookies are important, though I am usually over enthusiastic about how late picked rookies will turn out, and we've seen Okobo, Ulis, Goodwin and Jerome.
But I like what Shamet brings as we desperately needed a solid 4th guard who could shoot in a variety of ways and handle. David Nash and Max broke down well how Carter was useless offensively outside of catch and shoot, and if he had to handle, was a mess. I never liked the Carter contract, and going into the tax next year, he would have really cost a lot more if you consider the tax added on for going over. The jury is out though until we see how Shamet works out.
I really enjoyed their breakdown of Shamet. I didn't realize he had a 6'7'' wingspan. I really hope that means he has some untapped defensive potential. They also noted he gets some chase down blocks and sneaky dunks every now and then, which makes it seem like Shamet is a better athlete than I gave him credit for. I think he'll be a really nice complimentary piece.
My estimate for 2023 is we're at about $99m + Ayton, Bridges, Shamet + 5 exceptions with a $145m luxury tax.
I was surprised with the Shamet signing mainly because I thought Johnson would be a tough extension for us now we have 2 role players that will cost Sarver 3x their nominal salary (EG. $15m would cost Sarver $50m).
Or we feel we can dump existing players and the trade would effectively be Shamet for Carter, 29, Saric (as example).
Either way I think his role for us is more important than we think as he will defend volume shooters and be a main shot creator and needs to be consistant to give Booker rest.
Mulhollanddrive wrote:My estimate for 2023 is we're at about $99m + Ayton, Bridges, Shamet + 5 exceptions with a $145m luxury tax.
I was surprised with the Shamet signing mainly because I thought Johnson would be a tough extension for us now we have 2 role players that will cost Sarver 3x their nominal salary (EG. $15m would cost Sarver $50m).
Or we feel we can dump existing players and the trade would effectively be Shamet for Carter, 29, Saric (as example).
Either way I think his role for us is more important than we think as he will defend volume shooters and be a main shot creator and needs to be consistant to give Booker rest.
The affordability thing is a little overblown when you're talking about RFAs who aren't nearing the max salary range. RFAs only very rarely sign an offer sheet that is higher than the current team is willing to match. Typically, these days, it seems RFAs are signed-and-traded if they go elsewhere. What I'm saying is, if you're going to get a bargain contract, it's gonna be with a guy like Shamet, because he's restricted.
Now Cam might be a different story altogether. I could see a team getting enamored with him and thinking we're not using him to his full potential, and tendering a crazy offer sheet we wouldn't be able to match. Even in that scenario, I think a S&T would be more likely, but we may be better served trying to extend him next summer than letting him test the waters. His skillset plus his athleticism is a rare combo, and all it takes is one GM who thinks he sees a superstar.
Mulhollanddrive wrote:My estimate for 2023 is we're at about $99m + Ayton, Bridges, Shamet + 5 exceptions with a $145m luxury tax.
I was surprised with the Shamet signing mainly because I thought Johnson would be a tough extension for us now we have 2 role players that will cost Sarver 3x their nominal salary (EG. $15m would cost Sarver $50m).
Or we feel we can dump existing players and the trade would effectively be Shamet for Carter, 29, Saric (as example).
Either way I think his role for us is more important than we think as he will defend volume shooters and be a main shot creator and needs to be consistant to give Booker rest.
The affordability thing is a little overblown when you're talking about RFAs who aren't nearing the max salary range. RFAs only very rarely sign an offer sheet that is higher than the current team is willing to match. Typically, these days, it seems RFAs are signed-and-traded if they go elsewhere. What I'm saying is, if you're going to get a bargain contract, it's gonna be with a guy like Shamet, because he's restricted.
Now Cam might be a different story altogether. I could see a team getting enamored with him and thinking we're not using him to his full potential, and tendering a crazy offer sheet we wouldn't be able to match. Even in that scenario, I think a S&T would be more likely, but we may be better served trying to extend him next summer than letting him test the waters. His skillset plus his athleticism is a rare combo, and all it takes is one GM who thinks he sees a superstar.
I have outlined our cap scenario the next couple of years a few times. We probably should have a cap situation thread, since I don't want to do it repeatedly, linking to estimated upcoming cap and tax thresholds.
I think with Cam likely coming off the bench again before he is eligible for extension, it will probably help with his extension next summer. I am guessing he will be in the TJ Warren range, like 4/$50...maybe a bit more like 4/$60, barring a huge jump in 3pt FG%, like 43% with even more improved defense. But he'd probably have to average like 14 pts or so to get that.
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Revived wrote:Carter was on a very cheap salary so his contract was pretty good for someone providing good defense and shoots 38% from 3 for his career as the 3rd string PG. There’s zero chance they would have had to attach a pick just to get rid of Carter, his was a value contract.
Shamet is under contract for one year. A rookie would’ve been under a dirt cheap rookie contract for four years. I think a rookie would help us more over the course of four years than Shamet will in one year.
And yea there’s a chance the rookie could bust because late first 1st rd pick usually don’t make much of a difference. But you never know, Shamet himself is a late first rd pick and having someone like him for 4 years at the cheap rookie contract would be a good asset to have.
Saric will be an expiring deal next summer so that should help move him if they decide to do that. Or use him to acquire another player making similar salary.
I hope Shamet won’t get paid much and gets something similar to what Bryn Forbes got. Similar player.
Yeah, that's why I initially didn't care for the trade because I think cheap rookies are important, though I am usually over enthusiastic about how late picked rookies will turn out, and we've seen Okobo, Ulis, Goodwin and Jerome.
But I like what Shamet brings as we desperately needed a solid 4th guard who could shoot in a variety of ways and handle. David Nash and Max broke down well how Carter was useless offensively outside of catch and shoot, and if he had to handle, was a mess. I never liked the Carter contract, and going into the tax next year, he would have really cost a lot more if you consider the tax added on for going over. The jury is out though until we see how Shamet works out.
I really enjoyed their breakdown of Shamet. I didn't realize he had a 6'7'' wingspan. I really hope that means he has some untapped defensive potential. They also noted he gets some chase down blocks and sneaky dunks every now and then, which makes it seem like Shamet is a better athlete than I gave him credit for. I think he'll be a really nice complimentary piece.
Did you by chance see the video I posted for him? It actually highlights some really encouraging defensive plays, and a decent modicum of playmaking ability. I was somewhat surprised at his recovery and pesky defensive nature. Having said that, I still think that we could really use a secondary disruptive multipositional defensive wing with solid athleticism to flank him at times in certain mismatches for support.
Yes, Ennis 3rd would be good as he Carrie's and edge to his game still. Or definitely a Paul Watson or Daquan jeffries in a PJ Tucker type SF role ( he's very strong for his size). Either on the veteran's minimum.
Or else IF via trade, IF Minnesota could theoretically trade for Simmons, And we could do a three way in which they get Beasley/ Edwards/ McDaniels + 3 firsts perhaps? Then we jump in and add Saric and two 2nds ( Philly still covers him for whatever reason)??
- Philly walks away with Beasley/ Ant/ McDaniels/ Saric/ 3 firsts and two 2nds. - Minnesota walks away with Simmons. - Phoenix walks away with Vanderbilt and the rights to McKinley Wright 4th?
Or we do a three way trade with Cleveland and Memphis?
Cleveland gets- Dillon Brooks and Sean McDermott or Yves Pons if they prefer? - Memphis gets Saric and two 2nds. - Phoenix gets Nance / Merrill ( Shamet insurance)?
Or IF Portland would like more floor spacing, then perhaps Saric and two 2nds for Derrick Jones Jr?
bwgood77 wrote: Yeah, that's why I initially didn't care for the trade because I think cheap rookies are important, though I am usually over enthusiastic about how late picked rookies will turn out, and we've seen Okobo, Ulis, Goodwin and Jerome.
But I like what Shamet brings as we desperately needed a solid 4th guard who could shoot in a variety of ways and handle. David Nash and Max broke down well how Carter was useless offensively outside of catch and shoot, and if he had to handle, was a mess. I never liked the Carter contract, and going into the tax next year, he would have really cost a lot more if you consider the tax added on for going over. The jury is out though until we see how Shamet works out.
I really enjoyed their breakdown of Shamet. I didn't realize he had a 6'7'' wingspan. I really hope that means he has some untapped defensive potential. They also noted he gets some chase down blocks and sneaky dunks every now and then, which makes it seem like Shamet is a better athlete than I gave him credit for. I think he'll be a really nice complimentary piece.
Did you by chance see the video I posted for him? It actually highlights some really encouraging defensive plays, and a decent modicum of playmaking ability. I was somewhat surprised at his recovery and pesky defensive nature. Having said that, I still think that we could really use a secondary disruptive multipositional defensive wing with solid athleticism to flank him at times in certain mismatches for support.
Yes, Ennis 3rd would be good as he Carrie's and edge to his game still. Or definitely a Paul Watson or Daquan jeffries in a PJ Tucker type SF role ( he's very strong for his size). Either on the veteran's minimum.
Or else IF via trade, IF Minnesota could theoretically trade for Simmons, And we could do a three way in which they get Beasley/ Edwards/ McDaniels + 3 firsts perhaps? Then we jump in and add Saric and two 2nds ( Philly still covers him for whatever reason)??
- Philly walks away with Beasley/ Ant/ McDaniels/ Saric/ 3 firsts and two 2nds. - Minnesota walks away with Simmons. - Phoenix walks away with Vanderbilt and the rights to McKinley Wright 4th?
Or we do a three way trade with Cleveland and Memphis?
Cleveland gets- Dillon Brooks and Sean McDermott or Yves Pons if they prefer? - Memphis gets Saric and two 2nds. - Phoenix gets Nance / Merrill ( Shamet insurance)?
Or IF Portland would like more floor spacing, then perhaps Saric and two 2nds for Derrick Jones Jr?
I think I'd rather just sign Ennis, RHJ or Stanley Johnson to a vet minimum than give up anything for the wings you mentioned.
Mulhollanddrive wrote:My estimate for 2023 is we're at about $99m + Ayton, Bridges, Shamet + 5 exceptions with a $145m luxury tax.
I was surprised with the Shamet signing mainly because I thought Johnson would be a tough extension for us now we have 2 role players that will cost Sarver 3x their nominal salary (EG. $15m would cost Sarver $50m).
Or we feel we can dump existing players and the trade would effectively be Shamet for Carter, 29, Saric (as example).
Either way I think his role for us is more important than we think as he will defend volume shooters and be a main shot creator and needs to be consistant to give Booker rest.
The affordability thing is a little overblown when you're talking about RFAs who aren't nearing the max salary range. RFAs only very rarely sign an offer sheet that is higher than the current team is willing to match. Typically, these days, it seems RFAs are signed-and-traded if they go elsewhere. What I'm saying is, if you're going to get a bargain contract, it's gonna be with a guy like Shamet, because he's restricted.
Now Cam might be a different story altogether. I could see a team getting enamored with him and thinking we're not using him to his full potential, and tendering a crazy offer sheet we wouldn't be able to match. Even in that scenario, I think a S&T would be more likely, but we may be better served trying to extend him next summer than letting him test the waters. His skillset plus his athleticism is a rare combo, and all it takes is one GM who thinks he sees a superstar.
I have outlined our cap scenario the next couple of years a few times. We probably should have a cap situation thread, since I don't want to do it repeatedly, linking to estimated upcoming cap and tax thresholds.
I think with Cam likely coming off the bench again before he is eligible for extension, it will probably help with his extension next summer. I am guessing he will be in the TJ Warren range, like 4/$50...maybe a bit more like 4/$60, barring a huge jump in 3pt FG%, like 43% with even more improved defense. But he'd probably have to average like 14 pts or so to get that.
I think it comes down to where we are in terms of championship contention. If we either win it this year, or come close (Lose in WCF or beyond), I think you have to try as much as possible to keep the core together. I know it's going to hurt Sarver financially but, most of the fanbase already feels that his financial mismanagement during the SSOL era cost us a championship, if he ships out guys like Cam or Shamet after they have productive seasons for us, and we DON'T win a ring, he's going to be the most hated owner in possibly NBA history.
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote: The affordability thing is a little overblown when you're talking about RFAs who aren't nearing the max salary range. RFAs only very rarely sign an offer sheet that is higher than the current team is willing to match. Typically, these days, it seems RFAs are signed-and-traded if they go elsewhere. What I'm saying is, if you're going to get a bargain contract, it's gonna be with a guy like Shamet, because he's restricted.
Now Cam might be a different story altogether. I could see a team getting enamored with him and thinking we're not using him to his full potential, and tendering a crazy offer sheet we wouldn't be able to match. Even in that scenario, I think a S&T would be more likely, but we may be better served trying to extend him next summer than letting him test the waters. His skillset plus his athleticism is a rare combo, and all it takes is one GM who thinks he sees a superstar.
I have outlined our cap scenario the next couple of years a few times. We probably should have a cap situation thread, since I don't want to do it repeatedly, linking to estimated upcoming cap and tax thresholds.
I think with Cam likely coming off the bench again before he is eligible for extension, it will probably help with his extension next summer. I am guessing he will be in the TJ Warren range, like 4/$50...maybe a bit more like 4/$60, barring a huge jump in 3pt FG%, like 43% with even more improved defense. But he'd probably have to average like 14 pts or so to get that.
I think it comes down to where we are in terms of championship contention. If we either win it this year, or come close (Lose in WCF or beyond), I think you have to try as much as possible to keep the core together. I know it's going to hurt Sarver financially but, most of the fanbase already feels that his financial mismanagement during the SSOL era cost us a championship, if he ships out guys like Cam or Shamet after they have productive seasons for us, and we DON'T win a ring, he's going to be the most hated owner in possibly NBA history.
I agree that Sarver needs to pony up to keep this team together, especially given the decade of terrible teams he's presided over, but this right here is ridiculous. Among current owners, I find it hard to believe he'll ever touch the level of hate fans rightly have for Dolan. But NBA history? Maaan, don't be naive:
bwgood77 wrote: I have outlined our cap scenario the next couple of years a few times. We probably should have a cap situation thread, since I don't want to do it repeatedly, linking to estimated upcoming cap and tax thresholds.
I think with Cam likely coming off the bench again before he is eligible for extension, it will probably help with his extension next summer. I am guessing he will be in the TJ Warren range, like 4/$50...maybe a bit more like 4/$60, barring a huge jump in 3pt FG%, like 43% with even more improved defense. But he'd probably have to average like 14 pts or so to get that.
I think it comes down to where we are in terms of championship contention. If we either win it this year, or come close (Lose in WCF or beyond), I think you have to try as much as possible to keep the core together. I know it's going to hurt Sarver financially but, most of the fanbase already feels that his financial mismanagement during the SSOL era cost us a championship, if he ships out guys like Cam or Shamet after they have productive seasons for us, and we DON'T win a ring, he's going to be the most hated owner in possibly NBA history.
I agree that Sarver needs to pony up to keep this team together, especially given the decade of terrible teams he's presided over, but this right here is ridiculous. Among current owners, I find it hard to believe he'll ever touch the level of hate fans rightly have for Dolan. But NBA history? Maaan, don't be naive:
After seeing the contract that Duncan Robinson got, there’s a good chance that Cam can get the same offer in RFA.
If that happens, would you want the Suns to match?
If you look at Robinson’s skillset, there’s nothing he can do that Cam can’t. Cam is actually a better defender and better at driving to the rim and more athletic.
Revived wrote:After seeing the contract that Duncan Robinson got, there’s a good chance that Cam can get the same offer in RFA.
If that happens, would you want the Suns to match?
If you look at Robinson’s skillset, there’s nothing he can do that Cam can’t. Cam is actually a better defender and better at driving to the rim and more athletic.
Well if we fail to give him solid minutes this season, I don't know how they would match such a contract offer, next summer. Most likely we would be forced into a sign and trade.
Duncan started all 72 games last year and 68 the yr before. Last yr he got 31 minutes per game, while Cam got 24.
Revived wrote:After seeing the contract that Duncan Robinson got, there’s a good chance that Cam can get the same offer in RFA.
If that happens, would you want the Suns to match?
If you look at Robinson’s skillset, there’s nothing he can do that Cam can’t. Cam is actually a better defender and better at driving to the rim and more athletic.
I don't think Cam gets that much. The Heat gave him one of their Designated Player contracts by going up to 5 years.
They are also vastly in need of 3 pt shooting because they lack it. They were not a good 3 pt shooting team and without him they would have been bad. They also lost Nunn, who was the next best 3 pt shooter and Dragic next best after that. Butler, Bam and Dipo all shot 25% or under from 3. Lowry shot well though. Tucker ok.
Equivalent for Cam though would be 4/$72. That will probably be market value for him in about 2 years and if Paul is gone, wouldn't be bad if he is slotted to start since Crowder is also gone (and Saric)...so the salary doesn't hurt as much with those salaries gone and the cap and tax up.
I'm sure he will want to extend next summer for security and because he loves the team and is best buds with Mikal.
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Barkley6 wrote: I really enjoyed their breakdown of Shamet. I didn't realize he had a 6'7'' wingspan. I really hope that means he has some untapped defensive potential. They also noted he gets some chase down blocks and sneaky dunks every now and then, which makes it seem like Shamet is a better athlete than I gave him credit for. I think he'll be a really nice complimentary piece.
Did you by chance see the video I posted for him? It actually highlights some really encouraging defensive plays, and a decent modicum of playmaking ability. I was somewhat surprised at his recovery and pesky defensive nature. Having said that, I still think that we could really use a secondary disruptive multipositional defensive wing with solid athleticism to flank him at times in certain mismatches for support.
Yes, Ennis 3rd would be good as he carrys and edge to his game still. Or definitely a Paul Watson or Daquan jeffries in a PJ Tucker type SF role ( he's very strong for his size). Either on the veteran's minimum.
Or else IF via trade, IF Minnesota could theoretically trade for Simmons, And we could do a three way in which they get Beasley/ Edwards/ McDaniels + 3 firsts perhaps? Then we jump in and add Saric and two 2nds ( Philly still covers him for whatever reason)??
- Philly walks away with Beasley/ Ant/ McDaniels/ Saric/ 3 firsts and two 2nds. - Minnesota walks away with Simmons. - Phoenix walks away with Vanderbilt and the rights to McKinley Wright 4th?
Or we do a three way trade with Cleveland and Memphis?
Cleveland gets- Dillon Brooks and Sean McDermott or Yves Pons if they prefer? - Memphis gets Saric and two 2nds. - Phoenix gets Nance / Merrill ( Shamet insurance)?
Or IF Portland would like more floor spacing, then perhaps Saric and two 2nds for Derrick Jones Jr?
I think I'd rather just sign Ennis, RHJ or Stanley Johnson to a vet minimum than give up anything for the wings you mentioned.
To each their own I suppose
But the important consideration here is in that we're not just giving up value for potential wings alone. In all of the proposed trades, We're clearing almost 10 million in salary by moving Saric in the deal. For example, In the deal for Derrick Jones Jr. We're clearing off Sarics' salary for only two 2nds, As Jones Jrs' contract, Is an expiring next summer. So essentially we've cleared $9.7 million off our books in this trade and only give up two 2nds to do it. Unless you value two 2nds over close to 10 million in additional cap space heading into our core extensions. Also Jones Jr is around 6'6 with a 7'0 wingspan, Ultra athletic, a very solid perimeter defender but an elite rim protector for a wing.
I get that his shooting currently sucks azz! But his strong defensive versatility ( at the 3) would be perfect off the bench between Shamets' and Johnson's offensive firepower. To me, For only a little over 2 million? Having a bench rotation of Payne/ Shamet/ Vanderbilt/ Johnson/ McGee would be very solid!! And at Vanderbilt's low pricetag, We could fairly easily hire one of the premier shooting coaches to work with him.
Lastly, Do you also have issues with the Nance trade ( variation) in which we'd theoretically get back Nance AND Merrill??
At a fraction of the cost ( 2 way contract perhaps) is a win in my opinion. This would give us additional insurance against Shamet getting an uncomfortable offer! Wherein we could do a sign 'n' trade for another position of need, Whilst not losing our strong shooting and playmaking potential behind Booker. And if Nance is used at the backup 3 between Shamet and Johnson successfully, Then me may be perfect to replace Crowder the in 23'?
So yes, You may prefer to simply sign some cheap 3rd rotation wings for the vets minimum and call it a day. And that is of course fine too. But for my part, I'm looking to hopefully clear Sarics' salary or upgrade our core, whilst trying to procure an underrated potential prospect for our other open two way slot. I guess it just depends upon individual preference.
