WOJ: Wolves acquire Patrick Beverley for Juancho + Culver

[packforfreedom]

I like that we moved on from Culver, get rid of Juanchos contract and opened a roster spot. I like also we traded for a defensive minded PG who doesn't need the ball and is a solid shooter. What I don't like at all is that this PG is Patrick Beverley. I really hate to have him as a vet presence for our young guys.

[winforlose]

Did not expect this trade. I didn't like Beverly's cheap shot on Booker in the playoffs, but outside of that I've always liked him. We needed a tough guy and vet who's won.

Seeing bench as Bev, Beasley, Prince, Vando, and Reid with Nowell, Bolmoro, and Okogie getting some limited run unless another piece moved.

"I hated when he pushed CP3 from behind in the playoffs. If he punches Jimmy Butler, I can forgive him."

Especially if he punches Butler twice!

If Jimmy falls and gets hurt then he would give whole new meaning to General Soreness.

[_AIJ_]

This board never fails to amaze me

[TaylorTag]

I said I want more vets on this team that can play. Pat Bev is getting up there but he is still a rotation guy and he for sure brings intensity and on the floor leadership. I think that he can turn the heat up on DLO who is not a great defender but has shown that he can be solid (he had several solid defensive possessions last season).

I also think he can be good for the other guards like Ant, Beasley, Nowell. He can show them how you are supposed to defend and how to take that side of the ball seriously. He can be the adult in the room much like Rubio was last season. I hope we can bring in one more veteran guy in this vein, hopefully, a big.

As for Memphis, I like this deal for them too. They get rid of an aging player they don't really need at this point, they get two guys who can play right now and still have potential to be solid. Juancho has had flashes, he could put together a really good season next year, especially in a new setting. Culver's confidence has been shot but if he can ever get it together, he can be a pretty solid player. Optimal Culver may be something like 12 pts, 5 boards, and 3 dimes which would be a really good bench guy. HE still even has the potential to grow into a good starter.

I think it's a good low-risk gamble for Memphis.

I still can't shake the thought Culver ends up a good player.

It’s possible. But even if he did take a major jump for the Wolves this year, we’d still have a problem in that Culver and Edwards are essentially the same player: Wings who like to initiate the offense and live in the mid-range.

Culver will never be a 3&D guy that we and I think Rosas hoped he could be. Culver is more like Andrew Wiggins in that he needs to initiate the offense to be effective. Well we already have a few guys on the team that can and should do that (D’Lo, Ant and even KAT), so even if Culver was able to turn his game around, I’m not sure where he would fit on this team.

Edwards was able to show that he could adapt his game to fit our system (more threes, less long twos) in year one. Culver never demonstrated that here. He could be primed to elevate his game this year, but the best version of Culver is better-defender-worse-offense version of Ant.

When Rosas drafted Ant Culver’s premature departure was only inevitable.

[shrink]

I still can't shake the thought Culver ends up a good player.

It’s possible.

I agree, it’s possible. But for the Wolves, you have to add, “Culver ends up a good player HERE.”

And maybe even, “end up a good player, here, before Oct 31,” when Rosas would have likely declined our team option.

I think the kid needs a change of scenery for a chance. So to us, he isn’t that valuable, but it’s worthwhile for MEM to take a flier on him. I think there is a chance they pick up that option.

[wildvikeswolves]

Love this. Some added toughness for this soft bunch

[karch34]

Did not expect this trade. I didn't like Beverly's cheap shot on Booker in the playoffs, but outside of that I've always liked him. We needed a tough guy and vet who's won.

Seeing bench as Bev, Beasley, Prince, Vando, and Reid with Nowell, Bolmoro, and Okogie getting some limited run unless another piece moved.

"I hated when he pushed CP3 from behind in the playoffs. If he punches Jimmy Butler, I can forgive him."

Especially if he punches Butler twice!

Crap forgot it was CP3 and not Booker.

[Calinks]

Rosas goofed with Culver. I think Rosas is the type of GM who tries to get into the best position possible to make some specific moves even if he isn't guaranteed to make them go down. I think he traded for the 6th pick that year thinking he would get Garland. Then when the Cavs took him he tried to think of a good player the Cavs would still want and landed on Culver in hopes of trading him for Garland.

Jumping to the 6th spot was never about getting Culver, it was all a plan to try and get Garland. Rosas either gambled, was unprepared with his draft intel, or some combination of both that night. It didn't work out. Culver is not a 6th pick level player. maybe he will turn into that but he hasn't been yet.

[moonpie]

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[wolves_89]

Rosas goofed with Culver. I think Rosas is the type of GM who tries to get into the best position possible to make some specific moves even if he isn't guaranteed to make them go down. I think he traded for the 6th pick that year thinking he would get Garland. Then when the Cavs took him he tried to think of a good player the Cavs would still want and landed on Culver in hopes of trading him for Garland.

Jumping to the 6th spot was never about getting Culver, it was all a plan to try and get Garland. Rosas either gambled, was unprepared with his draft intel, or some combination of both that night. It didn't work out. Culver is not a 6th pick level player. maybe he will turn into that but he hasn't been yet.

I agree that the goal was to draft Garland, but after he went off the board there weren't any good options. Looking at the 6-15 picks in that draft, probably the best players have been Cam Johnson (who was considered a major reach), PJ Washington (who hasn't been all that great), and Tyler Herro (who is massively overrated). Basically there were no great options at #6 and none that we would likely consider a good pick at this point. Right now the 2019 draft is looking pretty awful after the first few picks.

The way I see it, the mistake that Rosas made was less about picking Culver and was more about dealing up in the draft before seeing who would be available.

[shrink]

Rosas goofed with Culver. I think Rosas is the type of GM who tries to get into the best position possible to make some specific moves even if he isn't guaranteed to make them go down. I think he traded for the 6th pick that year thinking he would get Garland. Then when the Cavs took him he tried to think of a good player the Cavs would still want and landed on Culver in hopes of trading him for Garland.

Jumping to the 6th spot was never about getting Culver, it was all a plan to try and get Garland. Rosas either gambled, was unprepared with his draft intel, or some combination of both that night. It didn't work out. Culver is not a 6th pick level player. maybe he will turn into that but he hasn't been yet.

I agree that the goal was to draft Garland, but after he went off the board there weren't any good options. Looking at the 6-15 picks in that draft, probably the best players have been Cam Johnson (who was considered a major reach), PJ Washington (who hasn't been all that great), and Tyler Herro (who is massively overrated). Basically there were no great options at #6 and none that we would likely consider a good pick at this point. Right now the 2019 draft is looking pretty awful after the first few picks.

The way I see it, the mistake that Rosas made was less about picking Culver and was more about dealing up in the draft before seeing who would be available.

Since CLE drafted Sexton the year before, it seemed like there was a good chance they’d pass on Garland, or at least be willing to trade. Rosas was supposedly trying to make a trade, even when CLE was on the clock, but they wanted too much. I thought at the time that Culver was a decent save, since long swing men that can defend are usually tradable.

I think by not trading, both teams hurt themselves. But you can’t force another team to do the smart thing.

[shrink]

I just wanted to mention that I spent ten minutes looking around, and I can’t see anything saying the Tuesday deal is finalized. It is also not announced on the NBA’s website under transactions.

It is not unusual for trades to take a while to be accepted by the NBA head office. Teams can agree to a deal in principle, and then try to make adjustments, or bring in other teams. The only reason I mention it is that if you are a fan of a Ben Simmons trade, you can hope he will be sent on to PHI while his salary can still be added in to match salaries. The rumors are that MIN has been looking for a third or fourth team to construct a trade package for Simmons, and we might only be seeing part of a Simmons trade right now.

[KGdaBom]

I just wanted to mention that I spent ten minutes looking around, and I can’t see anything saying the Tuesday deal is finalized. It is also not announced on the NBA’s website under transactions.

It is not unusual for trades to take a while to be accepted by the NBA head office. Teams can agree to a deal in principle, and then try to make adjustments, or bring in other teams. The only reason I mention it is that if you are a fan of a Ben Simmons trade, you can hope he will be sent on to PHI while his salary can still be added in to match salaries. The rumors are that MIN has been looking for a third or fourth team to construct a trade package for Simmons, and we might only be seeing part of a Simmons trade right now.

If we trade for Simmons and don't give up what I call the farm I will be fine with that. If we don't trade for Simmons I will be fine with that. I'd like to keep Beverley if possible and yes McDaniels too.

[gandlogo]

I just wanted to mention that I spent ten minutes looking around, and I can’t see anything saying the Tuesday deal is finalized. It is also not announced on the NBA’s website under transactions.

It is not unusual for trades to take a while to be accepted by the NBA head office. Teams can agree to a deal in principle, and then try to make adjustments, or bring in other teams. The only reason I mention it is that if you are a fan of a Ben Simmons trade, you can hope he will be sent on to PHI while his salary can still be added in to match salaries. The rumors are that MIN has been looking for a third or fourth team to construct a trade package for Simmons, and we might only be seeing part of a Simmons trade right now.

Could it have something to do with Memphis and the 20 player maximum?

[shrink]

I wouldn’t hate bringing Oturu back to Minnesota on his min.

[SO_MONEY]

I just wanted to mention that I spent ten minutes looking around, and I can’t see anything saying the Tuesday deal is finalized. It is also not announced on the NBA’s website under transactions.

It is not unusual for trades to take a while to be accepted by the NBA head office. Teams can agree to a deal in principle, and then try to make adjustments, or bring in other teams. The only reason I mention it is that if you are a fan of a Ben Simmons trade, you can hope he will be sent on to PHI while his salary can still be added in to match salaries. The rumors are that MIN has been looking for a third or fourth team to construct a trade package for Simmons, and we might only be seeing part of a Simmons trade right now.

Could it have something to do with Memphis and the 20 player maximum?

Yes, probably.

[KGdaBom]

I just wanted to mention that I spent ten minutes looking around, and I can’t see anything saying the Tuesday deal is finalized. It is also not announced on the NBA’s website under transactions.

It is not unusual for trades to take a while to be accepted by the NBA head office. Teams can agree to a deal in principle, and then try to make adjustments, or bring in other teams. The only reason I mention it is that if you are a fan of a Ben Simmons trade, you can hope he will be sent on to PHI while his salary can still be added in to match salaries. The rumors are that MIN has been looking for a third or fourth team to construct a trade package for Simmons, and we might only be seeing part of a Simmons trade right now.

Could it have something to do with Memphis and the 20 player maximum?

Good point. That seems more likely to me than it having to do with Minnesota working on a deal for Simmons.

[Nick K]

Rosas goofed with Culver. I think Rosas is the type of GM who tries to get into the best position possible to make some specific moves even if he isn't guaranteed to make them go down. I think he traded for the 6th pick that year thinking he would get Garland. Then when the Cavs took him he tried to think of a good player the Cavs would still want and landed on Culver in hopes of trading him for Garland.

Jumping to the 6th spot was never about getting Culver, it was all a plan to try and get Garland. Rosas either gambled, was unprepared with his draft intel, or some combination of both that night. It didn't work out. Culver is not a 6th pick level player. maybe he will turn into that but he hasn't been yet.

I agree that the goal was to draft Garland, but after he went off the board there weren't any good options. Looking at the 6-15 picks in that draft, probably the best players have been Cam Johnson (who was considered a major reach), PJ Washington (who hasn't been all that great), and Tyler Herro (who is massively overrated). Basically there were no great options at #6 and none that we would likely consider a good pick at this point. Right now the 2019 draft is looking pretty awful after the first few picks.

The way I see it, the mistake that Rosas made was less about picking Culver and was more about dealing up in the draft before seeing who would be available.

We were faced with having to pay Saric a big contract which would have been difficult so Rosas moved him to trade up. After the first two taken, that draft stunk to high heaven. Worst in years.

[TaylorTag]

I wouldn’t hate bringing Oturu back to Minnesota on his min.

I have thought about this too but looking at Memphis’ roster it looks like they only have Steven Adams at Center. Think we had a chance to include him in the Beverley deal but we never did, indicating they may want to keep him.

But for that contract and him being a true Center, Oturu would be great for us right now.

[KGdaBom]

Is the trade official yet?