OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[Clyde_Style]

One thing that seems to be extremely overlooked in terms of covid is what is known as viral load.

People wonder why a college age athlete, in great shape in extremely healthy, can end up hospitalized, while his 80 year old neighbor only has mild symptoms for 2 days. In most cases the answer is viral load.

Sure, genetics, diet and immune system play a huge role, but here's what I'm talking about.

Lets say both guys spend 4 hours in the same place, and there's someone very sick inside. Person A has the sick person right in front of him for the entire time. Person B was twice as far from the sick guy, and for only 10 minutes, before moving away.

Person A ends up inhaling 1 million virus particles. Person B, 10,000. Both end up with same disease, but Person A gets way more sick as a result. And maybe Person A is the young athlete in this case.

The sickest I ever got was dealing cards at a casino to a dude that openly admitted he had bronchitis, and played at my table for 4 hours coughing his balls off. I had bronchitis for 40 fcking days thanks to this as$hole.

In a nutshell, prolonged exposure is more dangerous.

I read of a documented outbreak tracking instance where a workout class held in a health club had one person who was infected which led to everyone in the class testing positive afterwards. The close quarters for an extended period of time with people breathing heavily was the ticket to getting covid.

Every one of us have been exposed covid and it has entered our respiratory passages. It is the viral load + your threshold to infection that does matter. Masks do protect for that

[Kampuchea]

My Body My Choice! Oh, that only works for abortions?

[Kampuchea]

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[The Lamma]

One thing that seems to be extremely overlooked in terms of covid is what is known as viral load.

People wonder why a college age athlete, in great shape in extremely healthy, can end up hospitalized, while his 80 year old neighbor only has mild symptoms for 2 days. In most cases the answer is viral load.

Sure, genetics, diet and immune system play a huge role, but here's what I'm talking about.

Lets say both guys spend 4 hours in the same place, and there's someone very sick inside. Person A has the sick person right in front of him for the entire time. Person B was twice as far from the sick guy, and for only 10 minutes, before moving away.

Person A ends up inhaling 1 million virus particles. Person B, 10,000. Both end up with same disease, but Person A gets way more sick as a result. And maybe Person A is the young athlete in this case.

The sickest I ever got was dealing cards at a casino to a dude that openly admitted he had bronchitis, and played at my table for 4 hours coughing his balls off. I had bronchitis for 40 fcking days thanks to this as$hole.

In a nutshell, prolonged exposure is more dangerous.

I read of a documented outbreak tracking instance where a workout class held in a health club had one person who was infected which led to everyone in the class testing positive afterwards. The close quarters for an extended period of time with people breathing heavily was the ticket to getting covid.

Every one of us have been exposed covid and it has entered our respiratory passages. It is the viral load + your threshold to infection that does matter. Masks do protect for that

It's ridiculous that there's even a debate about it. I understand not wanting to wear one. And yes, people can still get sick even with everyone wearing a mask. This leads some people to say "Masks don't work," which is maddening. What the masks are doing is reducing and limiting the viral load.



Also, all masks aren't created equally. Those simple medical masks (usually blue) do a very good job at blocking what comes out of a persons mouth. In contrast those thin a$$ neck gaiters allow particles to pass through. Especially if it's worn tight to the face, which stretches out the material and opens gaps

[BKlutch]

My employer, which is a huge company, said today that all people who wish to work in our facilities must be vaccinated by October 11. Vaccine mandates are coming because just as it's not right to allow workers to be bullied, it's not right to require they work in fear because of those who choose not to be concerned they may infect others.

[Kampuchea]

I really want this vaccine to be approved for the under 12 age group ASAP, with them headed to the breeding grounds at school soon.

My daughter seems to never get any sickness ever. My son is the opposite, I will be first in line once he is in the approved age range. Sounds like they will be able to get it around the same time my wife and I will head for our booster shots. (November/December)

[BKlutch]

Your hysteria is getting out of control buddy. Reel it in and step off your ledge. The only thing you need to fear is the delusion you have built in your own head.

This is what happens when fake news puts out statistics like if you are vaccinated you have a 99.999% chance of survival but those unvaccinated are 25% more likely to die. No one bothers to do that math.

I don’t know if you’re responding so aggressively in order to get the thread shut down, because any response to that video is basically appropriate considering the protagonist is violating all kinds of laws. You walk into a store with a mask policy and behave like that is indefensible. No store owner should have to put up with that.

As far as statistics are concerned, as of a few weeks ago the data for the U.S. and around the world was 99% of covid related hospitalizations were unvaccinated people. That’s where the 99% number comes from. You’re mistakenly conflating that with survival rates which is a whole other thing. Once you’re sick enough to be hospitalized the survival rate for anyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated, is not going to reach 99%.

Further, vaccinated people usually have less severe symptions and they DO have a higher rate of survival once they get ill, though the amount of vaccinated people getting ill from covid is still marginal statisically.

That’s math

Clyde, this is all true.

Why does this happen?

Some people on this board just to try to shut down valuable discussions, especially when they have nothing to contribute.

Some want to make the discussion center around false information, instead of real information. This prevents disseminating useful ideas and the sharing of helpful information.

There are those who consciously try to harm social networking; their efforts are often sponsored by foreign nations in a direct attempt to harm individuals and our society.

Some folks are unable to understand or are psychologically unwilling to deal with reality.

The clear intent of the first three reasons is to harm others. The 4th reason is that some people are unable to function at higher levels either intellectually and/or psychologically.

[BBALLER4FR]

My employer, which is a huge company, said today that all people who wish to work in our facilities must be vaccinated by October 11. Vaccine mandates are coming because just as it's not right to allow workers to be bullied, it's not right to require they work in fear because of those who choose not to be concerned they may infect others.

But it's totally cool to screw with people's means of making a living and what they do in their leisure (i.e. restaurants, theaters, etc.) especially given both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can catch and spread the virus? I'm not saying people don't need to be cautious, but the goal posts have continuously been moved, the science only applies to one side of the political forum and the tactics seem to be getting more and more authoritarian with no regard for the history of discrimination in this country. I guess when believe you are right, that you are smarter and you are completely unwavering in your convictions to the point that you don't even consider someone else's very real concerns, you can do whatever you want to anybody you feel.

[BKlutch]

97% of US doctors are fully vaccinated.

[thebuzzardman]

A whole lot of people seem to like what Busta gots to say, Ya'll.

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When Ben Affleck or Jennifer Lopez or Charlton Heston or even Beyonce won't do for my political guidance, there's always Buster Rhymes to fall back on.

[BKlutch]

My employer, which is a huge company, said today that all people who wish to work in our facilities must be vaccinated by October 11. Vaccine mandates are coming because just as it's not right to allow workers to be bullied, it's not right to require they work in fear because of those who choose not to be concerned they may infect others.

But it's totally cool to screw with people's means of making a living and what they do in their leisure (i.e. restaurants, theaters, etc.) especially given both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can catch and spread the virus? I'm not saying people don't need to be cautious, but the goal posts have continuously been moved, the science only applies to one side of the political forum and the tactics seem to be getting more and more authoritarian with no regard for the history of discrimination in this country. I guess when believe you are right, that you are smarter and you are completely unwavering in your convictions to the point that you don't even consider someone else's very real concerns, you can do whatever you want to anybody you feel.

TOTAL straw man argument that doesn't dignify a real response. (To make it clear, it draws an invalid conclusion and runs with it.) It also makes factual errors. Done with this one.

[Polk377]

Your hysteria is getting out of control buddy. Reel it in and step off your ledge. The only thing you need to fear is the delusion you have built in your own head.

This is what happens when fake news puts out statistics like if you are vaccinated you have a 99.999% chance of survival but those unvaccinated are 25% more likely to die. No one bothers to do that math.

I don’t know if you’re responding so aggressively in order to get the thread shut down, because any response to that video is basically appropriate considering the protagonist is violating all kinds of laws. You walk into a store with a mask policy and behave like that is indefensible. No store owner should have to put up with that.

As far as statistics are concerned, as of a few weeks ago the data for the U.S. and around the world was 99% of covid related hospitalizations were unvaccinated people. That’s where the 99% number comes from. You’re mistakenly conflating that with survival rates which is a whole other thing. Once you’re sick enough to be hospitalized the survival rate for anyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated, is not going to reach 99%.

Further, vaccinated people usually have less severe symptions and they DO have a higher rate of survival once they get ill, though the amount of vaccinated people getting ill from covid is still marginal statisically.

That’s math

Clyde, this is all true.

Why does this happen?

Some people on this board just to try to shut down valuable discussions, especially when they have nothing to contribute.

Some want to make the discussion center around false information, instead of real information. This prevents disseminating useful ideas and the sharing of helpful information.

There are those who consciously try to harm social networking; their efforts are often sponsored by foreign nations in a direct attempt to harm individuals and our society.

Some folks are unable to understand or are psychologically unwilling to deal with reality.

The clear intent of the first three reasons is to harm others. The 4th reason is that some people are unable to function at higher levels either intellectually and/or psychologically.

I'm trying to save the easily influenced from your stupidity. Keep living in your bubbles in fear that humanity is ending. We will continue to sit here and endless laugh at all of you.

[BKlutch]

I don’t know if you’re responding so aggressively in order to get the thread shut down, because any response to that video is basically appropriate considering the protagonist is violating all kinds of laws. You walk into a store with a mask policy and behave like that is indefensible. No store owner should have to put up with that.

As far as statistics are concerned, as of a few weeks ago the data for the U.S. and around the world was 99% of covid related hospitalizations were unvaccinated people. That’s where the 99% number comes from. You’re mistakenly conflating that with survival rates which is a whole other thing. Once you’re sick enough to be hospitalized the survival rate for anyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated, is not going to reach 99%.

Further, vaccinated people usually have less severe symptions and they DO have a higher rate of survival once they get ill, though the amount of vaccinated people getting ill from covid is still marginal statisically.

That’s math

Clyde, this is all true.

Why does this happen?

Some people on this board just to try to shut down valuable discussions, especially when they have nothing to contribute.

Some want to make the discussion center around false information, instead of real information. This prevents disseminating useful ideas and the sharing of helpful information.

There are those who consciously try to harm social networking; their efforts are often sponsored by foreign nations in a direct attempt to harm individuals and our society.

Some folks are unable to understand or are psychologically unwilling to deal with reality.

The clear intent of the first three reasons is to harm others. The 4th reason is that some people are unable to function at higher levels either intellectually and/or psychologically.

I'm trying to save the easily influenced from your stupidity. Keep living in your bubbles in fear that humanity is ending. We will continue to sit here and endless laugh at all of you.

Who is compensating you to say that?

[Clyde_Style]

One thing that seems to be extremely overlooked in terms of covid is what is known as viral load.

People wonder why a college age athlete, in great shape in extremely healthy, can end up hospitalized, while his 80 year old neighbor only has mild symptoms for 2 days. In most cases the answer is viral load.

Sure, genetics, diet and immune system play a huge role, but here's what I'm talking about.

Lets say both guys spend 4 hours in the same place, and there's someone very sick inside. Person A has the sick person right in front of him for the entire time. Person B was twice as far from the sick guy, and for only 10 minutes, before moving away.

Person A ends up inhaling 1 million virus particles. Person B, 10,000. Both end up with same disease, but Person A gets way more sick as a result. And maybe Person A is the young athlete in this case.

The sickest I ever got was dealing cards at a casino to a dude that openly admitted he had bronchitis, and played at my table for 4 hours coughing his balls off. I had bronchitis for 40 fcking days thanks to this as$hole.

In a nutshell, prolonged exposure is more dangerous.

I read of a documented outbreak tracking instance where a workout class held in a health club had one person who was infected which led to everyone in the class testing positive afterwards. The close quarters for an extended period of time with people breathing heavily was the ticket to getting covid.

Every one of us have been exposed covid and it has entered our respiratory passages. It is the viral load + your threshold to infection that does matter. Masks do protect for that

It's ridiculous that there's even a debate about it. I understand not wanting to wear one. And yes, people can still get sick even with everyone wearing a mask. This leads some people to say "Masks don't work," which is maddening. What the masks are doing is reducing and limiting the viral load.



Also, all masks aren't created equally. Those simple medical masks (usually blue) do a very good job at blocking what comes out of a persons mouth. In contrast those thin a$$ neck gaiters allow particles to pass through. Especially if it's worn tight to the face, which stretches out the material and opens gaps

I have and recommend Korean KN94 masks which have 2 folds/3 sections and fit the face above and below snug without compressing the nose or smothering the mouth.

[Polk377]

I read of a documented outbreak tracking instance where a workout class held in a health club had one person who was infected which led to everyone in the class testing positive afterwards. The close quarters for an extended period of time with people breathing heavily was the ticket to getting covid.

Every one of us have been exposed covid and it has entered our respiratory passages. It is the viral load + your threshold to infection that does matter. Masks do protect for that

It's ridiculous that there's even a debate about it. I understand not wanting to wear one. And yes, people can still get sick even with everyone wearing a mask. This leads some people to say "Masks don't work," which is maddening. What the masks are doing is reducing and limiting the viral load.



Also, all masks aren't created equally. Those simple medical masks (usually blue) do a very good job at blocking what comes out of a persons mouth. In contrast those thin a$$ neck gaiters allow particles to pass through. Especially if it's worn tight to the face, which stretches out the material and opens gaps

I have and recommend Korean KN94 masks which have 2 folds/3 sections and fit the face above and below snug without compressing the nose or smothering the mouth.

why don't you just put a bucket on your head and cut out some eye holes? I'm sure that will block everything from coming through.

[BBALLER4FR]

But it's totally cool to screw with people's means of making a living and what they do in their leisure (i.e. restaurants, theaters, etc.) especially given both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can catch and spread the virus? I'm not saying people don't need to be cautious, but the goal posts have continuously been moved, the science only applies to one side of the political forum and the tactics seem to be getting more and more authoritarian with no regard for the history of discrimination in this country. I guess when believe you are right, that you are smarter and you are completely unwavering in your convictions to the point that you don't even consider someone else's very real concerns, you can do whatever you want to anybody you feel.

TOTAL straw man argument that doesn't dignify a real response. (To make it clear, it draws an invalid conclusion and runs with it.) It also makes factual errors. Done with this one.

...it's not right to require they work in fear because of those who choose not to be concerned they may infect others.

Your argument is not genuine either. Both can catch and spread. You just get the benefit of working and doing the things society finds normal because you've chosen to get a shot(s) that says you will have less severity of symptoms and less chance of death. That's it. To boot most of those hesitant to take the vaccine are black/hispanic. Are we comfortable letting White (liberal) America, of which comprise 58% of the vaccinated in the US, set the standard of where people can eat and which section (if any) they can be seated in at a ballgame? Once again, they are smarter or dare I say, better so they define societal norms.

Look at this:


then this:


Elites elbow to elbow, maskless while the help must cover their faces. They've been doing this for some time now without regard and they want people to listen to them? They make laws to limit those who don't follow rules they wouldn't. It's not a strawman.

[BKlutch]

But it's totally cool to screw with people's means of making a living and what they do in their leisure (i.e. restaurants, theaters, etc.) especially given both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can catch and spread the virus? I'm not saying people don't need to be cautious, but the goal posts have continuously been moved, the science only applies to one side of the political forum and the tactics seem to be getting more and more authoritarian with no regard for the history of discrimination in this country. I guess when believe you are right, that you are smarter and you are completely unwavering in your convictions to the point that you don't even consider someone else's very real concerns, you can do whatever you want to anybody you feel.

TOTAL straw man argument that doesn't dignify a real response. (To make it clear, it draws an invalid conclusion and runs with it.) It also makes factual errors. Done with this one.

...it's not right to require they work in fear because of those who choose not to be concerned they may infect others.

Your argument is not genuine either. Both can catch and spread. You just get the benefit of working and doing the things society finds normal because you've chosen to get a shot(s) that says you will have less severity of symptoms and less chance of death. That's it. To boot most of those hesitant to take the vaccine are black/hispanic. Are we comfortable letting White (liberal) America, of which comprise 58% of the vaccinated in the US, set the standard of where people can eat and which section (if any) they can be seated in at a ballgame? Once again, they are smarter or dare I say, better so they define societal norms.

Look at this:[....]
then this: [...]
Elites elbow to elbow, maskless while the help must cover their faces. They've been doing this for some time now without regard and they want people to listen to them? They make laws to limit those who don't follow rules they wouldn't. It's not a strawman.

Again, an attempt to create a false equivalence, then, an attempt to use anecdotal evidence to "prove" something, when anecdotal evidence can prove nothing.

Unfortunately, you seem to also be trying to equate your lack of understanding with that of experts who are the best in the world at this.

So no more with you, either. finis.

[The Lamma]

I have and recommend Korean KN94 masks which have 2 folds/3 sections and fit the face above and below snug without compressing the nose or smothering the mouth.

Those look great. I've been using KN95s for a year. The quality kept declining so I switched over to the 3M brand and they are sturdy and provide a nice seal. Cost about a buck a piece when bought in bulk.

Do you know what length of time it's advised to use a mask before trashing it? Because I'm not sure. Usually I rotate two of them during a work day, allowing one to air out while wearing the other. This allows the bacteria exhaled from our mouths to escape from the mask, because that does build up on there. I was told 30 minutes will do. Then either throw both of them out at the end of the day, or let them sit and air out for a few days (over 3 days is ideal), then wear each again for one more work day. So it's basically 4 to 8 hours total I'll wear one piece before disposing it.

Also if I've been around someone that sounds questionable health wise, I'll throw it away as soon as I take it off no matter how long I've worn it that day.

[BKlutch]

I have and recommend Korean KN94 masks which have 2 folds/3 sections and fit the face above and below snug without compressing the nose or smothering the mouth.

Those look great. I've been using KN95s for a year. The quality kept declining so I switched over to the 3M brand and they are sturdy and provide a nice seal. Cost about a buck a piece when bought in bulk.

Do you know what length of time it's advised to use a mask before trashing it? Because I'm not sure. Usually I rotate two of them during a work day, allowing one to air out while wearing the other. This allows the bacteria exhaled from our mouths to escape from the mask, because that does build up on there. I was told 30 minutes will do. Then either throw both of them out at the end of the day, or let them sit and air out for a few days (over 3 days is ideal), then wear each again for one more work day. So it's basically 4 to 8 hours total I'll wear one piece before disposing it.

Also if I've been around someone that sounds questionable health wise, I'll throw it away as soon as I take it off no matter how long I've worn it that day.

8 to 12 hours per mask is fine. If you want to air them out, the best way is to either place them in a fairly clean environment or inside a paper bag. The excess moisture will evaporate. 3M masks are among the best, and you should continue using them in environments where you're concerned you could be exposed to the virus for a long period of time. In more socially distanced environments or those with more air flow, even a surgical mask should be sufficient.

By the way, the coronavirus will usually die on surfaces in a matter of hours. Bacteria and mold can, under certain circumstances, continue to survive for days. The primary source of bacteria is usually from your mouth and nose, so if you're healthy, and not touching a mask with really dirty hands, they aren't likely a big problem. (This does not apply to people who spend a lot of time with patients with severe bacterial illnesses, of course).

On the other hand, the primary source of coronavirus is from the air, either in droplets or, more likely, in the form of aerosols.

[BBALLER4FR]

TOTAL straw man argument that doesn't dignify a real response. (To make it clear, it draws an invalid conclusion and runs with it.) It also makes factual errors. Done with this one.

...it's not right to require they work in fear because of those who choose not to be concerned they may infect others.

Your argument is not genuine either. Both can catch and spread. You just get the benefit of working and doing the things society finds normal because you've chosen to get a shot(s) that says you will have less severity of symptoms and less chance of death. That's it. To boot most of those hesitant to take the vaccine are black/hispanic. Are we comfortable letting White (liberal) America, of which comprise 58% of the vaccinated in the US, set the standard of where people can eat and which section (if any) they can be seated in at a ballgame? Once again, they are smarter or dare I say, better so they define societal norms.

Look at this:


then this:


Elites elbow to elbow, maskless while the help must cover their faces. They've been doing this for some time now without regard and they want people to listen to them? They make laws to limit those who don't follow rules they wouldn't. It's not a strawman.

Again, an attempt to create a false equivalence, then, an attempt to use anecdotal evidence to "prove" something, when anecdotal evidence can prove nothing.

Unfortunately, you seem to also be trying to equate your lack of understanding with that of experts who are the best in the world at this.

So no more with you, either. finis.

Ah, forgot about your rules. I see now. And then people wonder why only one side (the correct side) discusses and considers opposing view an attempt to shut down a thread.

Controversial threads always consist of back patting, finger pointing and self praise. The minute an opposing though arises...

NOT THE RULES! I don't have to listen to this!


I'll conceed. The unvaccinated are bullies and the vaccinated need to be protected from them. Your words. Not a strawman.