OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[Clyde_Style]

I have and recommend Korean KN94 masks which have 2 folds/3 sections and fit the face above and below snug without compressing the nose or smothering the mouth.

Those look great. I've been using KN95s for a year. The quality kept declining so I switched over to the 3M brand and they are sturdy and provide a nice seal. Cost about a buck a piece when bought in bulk.

Do you know what length of time it's advised to use a mask before trashing it? Because I'm not sure. Usually I rotate two of them during a work day, allowing one to air out while wearing the other. This allows the bacteria exhaled from our mouths to escape from the mask, because that does build up on there. I was told 30 minutes will do. Then either throw both of them out at the end of the day, or let them sit and air out for a few days (over 3 days is ideal), then wear each again for one more work day. So it's basically 4 to 8 hours total I'll wear one piece before disposing it.

Also if I've been around someone that sounds questionable health wise, I'll throw it away as soon as I take it off no matter how long I've worn it that day.

I live in hell so I put mine on the dashboard to bake in the withering sun. I usually only wear them for 10 minute stretches in public indoor spaces, otherwise I don’t mask since I’m not in a city with crowded sidewalks and drive to get around

[guardplay320]

Your argument is not genuine either. Both can catch and spread. You just get the benefit of working and doing the things society finds normal because you've chosen to get a shot(s) that says you will have less severity of symptoms and less chance of death. That's it. To boot most of those hesitant to take the vaccine are black/hispanic. Are we comfortable letting White (liberal) America, of which comprise 58% of the vaccinated in the US, set the standard of where people can eat and which section (if any) they can be seated in at a ballgame? Once again, they are smarter or dare I say, better so they define societal norms.

Look at this:


then this:


Elites elbow to elbow, maskless while the help must cover their faces. They've been doing this for some time now without regard and they want people to listen to them? They make laws to limit those who don't follow rules they wouldn't. It's not a strawman.

Again, an attempt to create a false equivalence, then, an attempt to use anecdotal evidence to "prove" something, when anecdotal evidence can prove nothing.

Unfortunately, you seem to also be trying to equate your lack of understanding with that of experts who are the best in the world at this.

So no more with you, either. finis.

Ah, forgot about your rules. I see now. And then people wonder why only one side (the correct side) discusses and considers opposing view an attempt to shut down a thread.

Controversial threads always consist of back patting, finger pointing and self praise. The minute an opposing though arises...

NOT THE RULES! I don't have to listen to this!


I'll conceed. The unvaccinated are bullies and the vaccinated need to be protected from them. Your words. Not a strawman.

Answer these simple questions:

1) Why have over 96% of doctors been vaccinated?
2) I get not trusting the media or politicians, so why should the media or politicians of either side be who we are listening to on this rather than doctors and scientists?

Those that always scream fake news sure do trust the news sources from which they are getting their information. I don't rely on the news for my COVID information - I follow the science and doctors (I personally discuss with friends who are doctors and do interact with some doctors within the context of my profession). And yes, that does mean a moving goalpost because things are constantly changing with this virus and new things are learned the more scientists study the data and the data changes. The delta variant has been a game changer.

[Kampuchea]

Here is the mask i have, it is the best for those of us that wear glasses on ocassion. Even without glasses, it is by far the most breathable. https://www.oakley.com/en-us/product/W0OO0036AC?variant=888392557551&cid=PM-FGS_000000-5.USOakley-SmartPLA-AOV%3C90&ds_rl=1293048&ds_rl=1293048&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsZKJBhC0ARIsAJ96n3UvB9yBCHQm3bZLdi0qikHzlgjB5r_oNtTLQxDSrXHcmg_dUkLSTrwaAgiYEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[Polk377]

Here is the mask i have, it is the best for those of us that wear glasses on ocassion. Even without glasses, it is by far the most breathable. https://www.oakley.com/en-us/product/W0OO0036AC?variant=888392557551&cid=PM-FGS_000000-5.USOakley-SmartPLA-AOV%3C90&ds_rl=1293048&ds_rl=1293048&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsZKJBhC0ARIsAJ96n3UvB9yBCHQm3bZLdi0qikHzlgjB5r_oNtTLQxDSrXHcmg_dUkLSTrwaAgiYEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Bro an Oakley mask! No way! you are by far the coolest masker there is. Nothing screams safety and science like name branding

[Kampuchea]

Here is the mask i have, it is the best for those of us that wear glasses on ocassion. Even without glasses, it is by far the most breathable. https://www.oakley.com/en-us/product/W0OO0036AC?variant=888392557551&cid=PM-FGS_000000-5.USOakley-SmartPLA-AOV%3C90&ds_rl=1293048&ds_rl=1293048&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsZKJBhC0ARIsAJ96n3UvB9yBCHQm3bZLdi0qikHzlgjB5r_oNtTLQxDSrXHcmg_dUkLSTrwaAgiYEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Bro an Oakley mask! No way! you are by far the coolest masker there is. Nothing screams safety and science like name branding

Don’t care for the name brand, unfortunately this is the best mask for eyeglass wearers and well worth the price. I bought it after getting sick of the constant fogging.

[HarthorneWingo]

My employer, which is a huge company, said today that all people who wish to work in our facilities must be vaccinated by October 11. Vaccine mandates are coming because just as it's not right to allow workers to be bullied, it's not right to require they work in fear because of those who choose not to be concerned they may infect others.

But it's totally cool to screw with people's means of making a living and what they do in their leisure (i.e. restaurants, theaters, etc.) especially given both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can catch and spread the virus? I'm not saying people don't need to be cautious, but the goal posts have continuously been moved, the science only applies to one side of the political forum and the tactics seem to be getting more and more authoritarian with no regard for the history of discrimination in this country. I guess when believe you are right, that you are smarter and you are completely unwavering in your convictions to the point that you don't even consider someone else's very real concerns, you can do whatever you want to anybody you feel.

To the extent that it appears that the goal posts have moved in terms of response to the virus (I’m assuming that’s what you’re referring to), that’s bc it’s a novel virus and we’re still learning about it as we try and combat it.

In the meantime, it’s really simple. Just listen to Fauci and the CDC recommendations.

Are you vaxxed?

[thebuzzardman]

My Body My Choice! Oh, that only works for abortions?

Well, the crowd that wants to enforce no choice is all about choice in vaccines.

Shocking that humans all over the political spectrum are holding wildly divergent and logically inconsistent viewpoints, I know.

[BBALLER4FR]

My employer, which is a huge company, said today that all people who wish to work in our facilities must be vaccinated by October 11. Vaccine mandates are coming because just as it's not right to allow workers to be bullied, it's not right to require they work in fear because of those who choose not to be concerned they may infect others.

But it's totally cool to screw with people's means of making a living and what they do in their leisure (i.e. restaurants, theaters, etc.) especially given both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can catch and spread the virus? I'm not saying people don't need to be cautious, but the goal posts have continuously been moved, the science only applies to one side of the political forum and the tactics seem to be getting more and more authoritarian with no regard for the history of discrimination in this country. I guess when believe you are right, that you are smarter and you are completely unwavering in your convictions to the point that you don't even consider someone else's very real concerns, you can do whatever you want to anybody you feel.

To the extent that it appears that the goal posts have moved in terms of response to the virus (I’m assuming that’s what you’re referring to), that’s bc it’s a novel virus and we’re still learning about it as we try and combat it.

In the meantime, it’s really simple. Just listen to Fauci and the CDC recommendations.

Are you vaxxed?

You mean this guy?

https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/anthony-fauci-apologizes-for-latest-gaffe-in-covid-analysis/

Anthony Fauci apologizes for latest gaffe in COVID analysis
By Lee Brown
August 24, 202

Dr. Anthony Fauci has admitted making his latest mistake in coronavirus guidance, this time over when he thinks the pandemic will come “under control” — apologizing by saying, “My bad.”

The White House coronavirus czar had told NPR on Monday that if enough people get vaccinated, the US could “really get some good control over this” by the fall or winter of next year. He's said this repeatedly.

But quizzed on it by CNN’s Anderson Cooper later the same day, Fauci — who has been under fire repeatedly for flip-flopping on his public advice from the early days of the pandemic — said he actually thinks that control will come even sooner.

He insisted that if “the overwhelming majority of the 90 million people who have not been vaccinated” now get the shot, “I hope we can get some good control in the spring of 2022.”

“I didn’t mean the fall — I misspoke. My bad,” he said.

Asked to clarify what he meant by control, he said it was “getting back to a degree of normality,” such as “restaurants, theaters, that kind of thing.”

“But again, there’s a big caveat there — this is a very wily virus,” he told the CNN host, warning that the timeline could easily change again even if everyone follows his advice.

Fauci advised even those who have antibodies from a previous infection to get vaccinated because it gives “an enormous increase in the degree of protection.” Many doctors disagree. My doctor vehemently disagrees. So I should ignore my doctor? Dangerous road people are suggesting.

He also said “the time has come” for businesses as well as colleges and the military to “mandate” vaccines.

“I think that’s a good thing,” he said.

“I respect people’s freedom, but when you’re talking about a public health crisis that we’ve been going through now for well over a year and a half, the time has come. And this is the problem. He fails to admit our own government has been placing thousands of migrants in cities around the country, some unvaccinated, but places blame and/or responsibility on Americans and signals to politicians to put their weight on people who choose to wait or even forgoe.


“Enough is enough. We just got to get people vaccinated,” he insisted.

However, asked what percentage of the population would need to get the shot to meet his expected outcome, he gave a far from scientific answer.

“In all transparency and honesty, we don’t know that,” he said. “The [percentage] could be 90, it could be 85 — we don’t know what it is. “Just get as many people vaccinated as you possibly can, and when you get control, that’ll be the number,” he said. And somehow, people keep shouting "science" when the top immunologist, who effects the political powers capable of effecting peoples jobs, leisure, and travel, is running in circles as the President tells people to accept the injection of mRNA for "The good of the nation".

[BBALLER4FR]

My Body My Choice! Oh, that only works for abortions?

Well, the crowd that wants to enforce no choice is all about choice in vaccines.

Shocking that humans all over the political spectrum are holding wildly divergent and logically inconsistent viewpoints, I know.

Really? I bet the number of people being forced to inject the cells of the "Choicers" exceeds the number of forced pregnancies resulting from "No Choicers".

[Clyde_Style]

My blow up doll go vaccinated today. A little bit of inflation in the shoulder where they injected her, but otherwise she feels fine

[HarthorneWingo]

But it's totally cool to screw with people's means of making a living and what they do in their leisure (i.e. restaurants, theaters, etc.) especially given both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can catch and spread the virus? I'm not saying people don't need to be cautious, but the goal posts have continuously been moved, the science only applies to one side of the political forum and the tactics seem to be getting more and more authoritarian with no regard for the history of discrimination in this country. I guess when believe you are right, that you are smarter and you are completely unwavering in your convictions to the point that you don't even consider someone else's very real concerns, you can do whatever you want to anybody you feel.

To the extent that it appears that the goal posts have moved in terms of response to the virus (I’m assuming that’s what you’re referring to), that’s bc it’s a novel virus and we’re still learning about it as we try and combat it.

In the meantime, it’s really simple. Just listen to Fauci and the CDC recommendations.

Are you vaxxed?

You mean this guy?

https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/anthony-fauci-apologizes-for-latest-gaffe-in-covid-analysis/

Anthony Fauci apologizes for latest gaffe in COVID analysis
By Lee Brown
August 24, 202

Dr. Anthony Fauci has admitted making his latest mistake in coronavirus guidance, this time over when he thinks the pandemic will come “under control” — apologizing by saying, “My bad.”

The White House coronavirus czar had told NPR on Monday that if enough people get vaccinated, the US could “really get some good control over this” by the fall or winter of next year. He's said this repeatedly.

But quizzed on it by CNN’s Anderson Cooper later the same day, Fauci — who has been under fire repeatedly for flip-flopping on his public advice from the early days of the pandemic — said he actually thinks that control will come even sooner.

He insisted that if “the overwhelming majority of the 90 million people who have not been vaccinated” now get the shot, “I hope we can get some good control in the spring of 2022.”

“I didn’t mean the fall — I misspoke. My bad,” he said.

Asked to clarify what he meant by control, he said it was “getting back to a degree of normality,” such as “restaurants, theaters, that kind of thing.”

“But again, there’s a big caveat there — this is a very wily virus,” he told the CNN host, warning that the timeline could easily change again even if everyone follows his advice.

Fauci advised even those who have antibodies from a previous infection to get vaccinated because it gives “an enormous increase in the degree of protection.” Many doctors disagree. My doctor vehemently disagrees. So I should ignore my doctor? Dangerous road people are suggesting.

He also said “the time has come” for businesses as well as colleges and the military to “mandate” vaccines.

“I think that’s a good thing,” he said.

“I respect people’s freedom, but when you’re talking about a public health crisis that we’ve been going through now for well over a year and a half, the time has come. And this is the problem. He fails to admit our own government has been placing thousands of migrants in cities around the country, some unvaccinated, but places blame and/or responsibility on Americans and signals to politicians to put their weight on people who choose to wait or even forgoe.


“Enough is enough. We just got to get people vaccinated,” he insisted.

However, asked what percentage of the population would need to get the shot to meet his expected outcome, he gave a far from scientific answer.

“In all transparency and honesty, we don’t know that,” he said. “The [percentage] could be 90, it could be 85 — we don’t know what it is. “Just get as many people vaccinated as you possibly can, and when you get control, that’ll be the number,” he said. And somehow, people keep shouting "science" when the top immunologist, who effects the political powers capable of effecting peoples jobs, leisure, and travel, is running in circles as the President tells people to accept the injection of mRNA for "The good of the nation".

Fauci misspoke and said we should have the virus under control by next Fall ('22) instead of Spring ('22) and then immediately cleared that up. He admitted that he misspoke. No harm, no foul. Other than that minor issue, I have no problem with anything Fauci is quoted as saying. He doesn't know if it'll take 85% or 90% of people vaccinated to accomplish the goal. Is that what your moaning about?

Btw, is the NY Post really the POS rag of a "newspaper" where you get your science info from? Rupert Murdoch's newspaper? That's a fcking joke. Look, if you're going to listen to the NY Post over what the CDC and Fauci are saying, then I wish you the best of luck. You're going to need it.

EDIT: what’s your plan if you’re required by your job or operation of law to be vaccinated by a certain date?

[BBALLER4FR]

To the extent that it appears that the goal posts have moved in terms of response to the virus (I’m assuming that’s what you’re referring to), that’s bc it’s a novel virus and we’re still learning about it as we try and combat it.

In the meantime, it’s really simple. Just listen to Fauci and the CDC recommendations.

Are you vaxxed?

You mean this guy?

https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/anthony-fauci-apologizes-for-latest-gaffe-in-covid-analysis/

Anthony Fauci apologizes for latest gaffe in COVID analysis
By Lee Brown
August 24, 202

Dr. Anthony Fauci has admitted making his latest mistake in coronavirus guidance, this time over when he thinks the pandemic will come “under control” — apologizing by saying, “My bad.”

The White House coronavirus czar had told NPR on Monday that if enough people get vaccinated, the US could “really get some good control over this” by the fall or winter of next year. He's said this repeatedly.

But quizzed on it by CNN’s Anderson Cooper later the same day, Fauci — who has been under fire repeatedly for flip-flopping on his public advice from the early days of the pandemic — said he actually thinks that control will come even sooner.

He insisted that if “the overwhelming majority of the 90 million people who have not been vaccinated” now get the shot, “I hope we can get some good control in the spring of 2022.”

“I didn’t mean the fall — I misspoke. My bad,” he said.

Asked to clarify what he meant by control, he said it was “getting back to a degree of normality,” such as “restaurants, theaters, that kind of thing.”

“But again, there’s a big caveat there — this is a very wily virus,” he told the CNN host, warning that the timeline could easily change again even if everyone follows his advice.

Fauci advised even those who have antibodies from a previous infection to get vaccinated because it gives “an enormous increase in the degree of protection.” Many doctors disagree. My doctor vehemently disagrees. So I should ignore my doctor? Dangerous road people are suggesting.

He also said “the time has come” for businesses as well as colleges and the military to “mandate” vaccines.

“I think that’s a good thing,” he said.

“I respect people’s freedom, but when you’re talking about a public health crisis that we’ve been going through now for well over a year and a half, the time has come. And this is the problem. He fails to admit our own government has been placing thousands of migrants in cities around the country, some unvaccinated, but places blame and/or responsibility on Americans and signals to politicians to put their weight on people who choose to wait or even forgoe.


“Enough is enough. We just got to get people vaccinated,” he insisted.

However, asked what percentage of the population would need to get the shot to meet his expected outcome, he gave a far from scientific answer.

“In all transparency and honesty, we don’t know that,” he said. “The [percentage] could be 90, it could be 85 — we don’t know what it is. “Just get as many people vaccinated as you possibly can, and when you get control, that’ll be the number,” he said. And somehow, people keep shouting "science" when the top immunologist, who effects the political powers capable of effecting peoples jobs, leisure, and travel, is running in circles as the President tells people to accept the injection of mRNA for "The good of the nation".

Fauci misspoke and said we should have the virus under control by next Fall ('22) instead of Spring ('22) and then immediately cleared that up. He admitted that he misspoke. No harm, no foul.

Btw, is the NY Post really the POS rag of a "newspaper" where you get your science info from? Rupert Murdoch's newspaper? That's a fcking joke. Look, if you're going to listen to the NY Post over what the CDC and Fauci are saying, then I wish you the best of luck. You're going to need it.

Are they misquoting him? If so please show the actual quote. In the absence of one, we both know it's accurate. This, and the group probing (I saw your previous inquiry of my vaccination status) are the reason threads like these go unchallenged while pages and pages of tweets are used as evidence. It's precious. You are not looking for discussion. You're looking for opposition to judge. It's a game, not an mutual discussion. But it's the offseason and you're bored. Continue with your universal agreements and self adulation.

[HarthorneWingo]

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[HarthorneWingo]

You mean this guy?

https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/anthony-fauci-apologizes-for-latest-gaffe-in-covid-analysis/

Fauci misspoke and said we should have the virus under control by next Fall ('22) instead of Spring ('22) and then immediately cleared that up. He admitted that he misspoke. No harm, no foul.

Btw, is the NY Post really the POS rag of a "newspaper" where you get your science info from? Rupert Murdoch's newspaper? That's a fcking joke. Look, if you're going to listen to the NY Post over what the CDC and Fauci are saying, then I wish you the best of luck. You're going to need it.

Are they misquoting him? If so please show the actual quote. In the absence of one, we both know it's accurate. This, and the group probing (I saw your previous inquiry of my vaccination status) are the reason threads like these go unchallenged while pages and pages of tweets are used as evidence. It's precious. You are not looking for discussion. You're looking for opposition to judge. It's a game, not an mutual discussion. But it's the offseason and you're bored. Continue with your universal agreements and self adulation.

1. Fauci admits he misspoke. Getting control of the virus is even SOONER than he mistakenly said and you condemn him for it! That doesn’t make any sense.

https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-predicts-good-control-over-000400864.html

Fauci apologizes, says he misspoke about getting COVID-19 under control in 2022

Dr. Anthony Fauci walked back his prediction Monday that it will take the United States more than one year to get control of COVID-19.

During an appearance on CNN, President Joe Biden's chief medical adviser offered an apology and said he meant to say the goal is actually within reach sooner — the spring of 2022 instead of the fall of next year as he said earlier in the day — but only if people holding out on getting vaccinated decide to get the jab.

"No, Anderson, I have to apologize," he told anchor Anderson Cooper. "When I listened to the tape, I meant to say the spring of 2022, so I did misspeak. And in the conversation with Mary Louise Kelly, she was saying, when do I think we can get some control? I said if we can get through this winter and get really the overwhelming majority of the 90 million people who have not been vaccinated, vaccinated, I hope we could start to get some good control in the spring of 2022. I didn't mean the fall. I misspoke, my bad."

Earlier, on NPR, Fauci made the comment about the fall of 2022. He said it was contingent on widespread vaccinations, a contentious issue lingering more than eight months after the jabs became available to the public, as the more contagious delta variant causes a new spike in cases and health officials push for booster shots.

"If all things go the way we want them to go," Fauci, longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, began in a quote aired on CNN, "and we get really the overwhelming majority of people vaccinated. I think as we get into the fall and winter, we could start to really get some good control over this as we get back into the fall of 2022."

In answering Cooper's follow-up question about what he meant by getting "control" of the virus, Fauci said it translated to a "degree of overall blanket protection of the community" that could see a return to "a degree of normality, namely reassuming the things that we were hoping we could do. Restaurants, theaters, that kind of thing."

When pressed, Fauci did not define what percentage of the population would have to get vaccinated to get the pandemic under control.

"In all transparency and honesty, we don't know that because we have not been to the point where we got there, then fell below and then see the virus come back," he said.

He also warned of more variants, saying, "Lingering without getting those people vaccinated should be vaccinated" could lead to complications that disrupt his predicted timeline to normalcy.

So what issues do you have with his explanation and apology? I find it refreshing.

2. Your Vax Status

Yes, you are correct, I inquired about your vaccination status. And you have refused to answer it. If you are so in the right, why are you so ashamed to admit that you’re not? Obviously you’re not bc if you were you wouldn’t be putting up such a great stink about it.

[BKlutch]

Here is the mask i have, it is the best for those of us that wear glasses on ocassion. Even without glasses, it is by far the most breathable. https://www.oakley.com/en-us/product/W0OO0036AC?variant=888392557551&cid=PM-FGS_000000-5.USOakley-SmartPLA-AOV%3C90&ds_rl=1293048&ds_rl=1293048&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsZKJBhC0ARIsAJ96n3UvB9yBCHQm3bZLdi0qikHzlgjB5r_oNtTLQxDSrXHcmg_dUkLSTrwaAgiYEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

That is the coolest mask I've seen. Wow.

[BBALLER4FR]

1. Fauci admits he misspoke

Correct. He mispoke then corrected but it's all really guesses than science. Also, some of what he said flies in the face of the advice of the individual's doctors.

So what issues do you have with his explanation and apology? I find it refreshing.

The fact that he ignores natural immunity while pushing for vaccines. Why he ignores prior health concerns while he pushes EVERYONE toward vaccination. He ignores so much with the only goal of getting to the 100% vax goal. I don't focus on the "My Bad". Your instruction was to listen to him. I find that odd.

2. Your Vax Status

Yes, you are correct, I inquired about your vaccination status.

I know.

And you have refused to answer it. If you are so in the right, why are you so ashamed to admit that you’re not? Obviously you’re not bc if you were you wouldn’t be putting up such a great stink about it.

I didn't answer it because it's irrelevant to the topic, you know it, but you're choosing to engage in bulls#*t social media bully tactics to avoid discussion which is rather strange for someone who portrays themselves as an elder on this forum. But I'll satisfy this online stupidity. Yes, I am vaccinated but my wife suffers from Multiple Sclerosis. My inclusion into the discussion was meant not just to show why some people are refusing, for health reasons, as corporations seek a zero tolerance approach, but to continue to highlight the concerns many black people in my family and their community feel. But alright champ, I'll let you get back to the discussion for like minds.

[HarthorneWingo]

1. Fauci admits he misspoke

Correct. He mispoke then corrected but it's all really guesses than science. Also, some of what he said flies in the face of the advice of the individual's doctors.

So what issues do you have with his explanation and apology? I find it refreshing.

The fact that he ignores natural immunity while pushing for vaccines. Why he ignores prior health concerns while he pushes EVERYONE toward vaccination. He ignores so much with the only goal of getting to the 100% vax goal. I don't focus on the "My Bad". Your instruction was to listen to him. I find that odd.

2. Your Vax Status

Yes, you are correct, I inquired about your vaccination status.

I know.

And you have refused to answer it. If you are so in the right, why are you so ashamed to admit that you’re not? Obviously you’re not bc if you were you wouldn’t be putting up such a great stink about it.

I didn't answer it because it's irrelevant to the topic, you know it, but you're choosing to engage in bulls#*t social media bully tactics to avoid discussion which is rather strange for someone who portrays themselves as an elder on this forum. But I'll satisfy this online stupidity. Yes, I am vaccinated but my wife suffers from Multiple Sclerosis. My inclusion into the discussion was meant not just to show why some people are refusing, for health reasons, as corporations seek a zero tolerance approach, but to continue to highlight the concerns many black people in my family and their community feel. But alright champ, I'll let you get back to the discussion for like minds.

Natural immunity? Seriously? Have you seen the statistics in Sturgis SD and surrounding counties after its 500k bike rally? Have you seen Florida’s recent statistics?

If your wife has a medical reason based on her physician’s advice re why she can’t he vaccinated, then that’s a different story. Obviously. My 91 year mother has both a immune deficiency due to a blood disorder and severe rheumatoid arthritis. Her medications for each are compromised due to the way they interact. She’s fully vaccinated and will most likely get her booster shot at the proper time.

[aq_ua]

https://www.statista.com/chart/25589/covid-19-infections-vaccinated-unvaccinated/

In July 2021, around 125 breakthrough infections happened per 100,000 fully vaccinated Wisconsinites, compared with around 369 cases per 100,000 inhabitants of the state who had not been fully vaccinated. At a vaccination rate of around 50 percent in the state in July, this means that around 3 in 4 new cases occurred in unvaccinated people. That would have made the COVID-19 vaccines in the state 66 percent effective in preventing infection in real world conditions opposite unvaccinated people, as for every three unvaccinated Wisconsinites who were infected with COVID-19, two vaccinated people were spared an infection, assuming that both groups had the same exposure to the virus on average.

When it comes to hospitalizations and deaths, the differences in outcomes for vaccinated and unvaccinated people were even starker. Around four in five hospitalizations for COVID-19 occurred in unvaccinated people in Wisconsin, translating to a vaccine effectiveness of 73 percent in preventing hospitalizations. For preventing death, vaccines proved 91 percent effective, as only one in twelve Wisconsinites who succumbed to COVID-19 was vaccinated.

Something to keep an eye on as more data comes in.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

https://www.reddit.com/r/COVIDAteMyFace/

Really brutal subreddit of people finding out the hard way that the virus isn't concerned with politics, it simply needs a place to copy itself.

I just do not get why people need to talk tough towards a virus, it makes no sense to me, like who is all that posturing for?

[Capn'O]

https://www.reddit.com/r/COVIDAteMyFace/

Really brutal subreddit of people finding out the hard way that the virus isn't concerned with politics, it simply needs a place to copy itself.

I just do not get why people need to talk tough towards a virus, it makes no sense to me, like who is all that posturing for?

Exactly. It's a **** virus.

And it just ripped through my office. Vaccinated and non. So far no hospitalizations. I was very lucky not to get it and am laying low/remote until it's gone. Don't want my kids to get it.

I mean, it's a real bummer and pain in the ass that Delta went all honey badger just when we thought Covid was closing down but the virus just doesn't care about any of that.