Trade Talk (Part Eight)

[fattymcgee]

My lord do we need to see a Simmons trade very, very soon for the sake of this board.

Isn't everyone else sick of weeding thru the same posts by the same people hour after hour, day after day. You guys keep saying the same **** over and over again. Yet my T-wolves addiction and the chance of new information being posted I keep coming back and wasting a lot of time reading over the same crap to find 1 tiny tidbit of new information.

[Krapinsky]

My lord do we need to see a Simmons trade very, very soon for the sake of this board.

Isn't everyone else sick of weeding thru the same posts by the same people hour after hour, day after day. You guys keep saying the same **** over and over again. Yet my T-wolves addiction and the chance of new information being posted I keep coming back and wasting a lot of time reading over the same crap to find 1 tiny tidbit of new information.

Lol, couldn't agree more. I do think we've had some pro-Simmons trade converts on the board, for whatever that's worth.

[shrink]

Maybe we (Wolves) are just the team that gets rumored about wanting Simmons so that Morey can keep asking an insane price. He has to make it seem as though there is strong interest from one team in order to justify, to any other team, his asking price.

I’ve wondered about that myself. If Morey needs a GM to use to stoke the market, his mentee might be willing to do the job. And it’s not like Simmons is clearly a bad fit here.

I do claim a sliver of worry that he has a big MIN deal in his back pocket, so he’s willing to ask for an even bigger amount from other teams.

But most likely, he is hoping Dame gets frustrated. I don’t think that’s going to happen soon, and I don’t think he wants Simmons in that training camp after Klutch talked to them, so I imagine we’ll find out who’s serious very soon.

[shrink]

Last thing I wanted to mention.

A lot of people, mostly outside of Minnesota, are saying that MIN needs to make the playoffs, or KAT will ask out. I don’t think that’s true. I think MIN needs to look like it’s trending for the playoffs by season’s end. I think it’s most likely going to happen too, due to the advancements this season from

1. Ant will get better
2. Jaden will get better
3. Beasley won’t be hurt
4. KAT and DLo get to play together
5. Chris Finch will get a whole season, and a chance this off-season to institute his system.

I think our future is going to look brighter than it has in a long time, and KAT will want to be a part of that.

——-

Finally, I think some people put too much stress on the “timeline” thing. One of the advantages to the system we have now is that we have two max players, and two other core pieces that just started rookie deals. Hopefully they improve quickly, but the four players will be affordable as a group until Ant and Jaden get paid.

[Battletrigger]

My lord do we need to see a Simmons trade very, very soon for the sake of this board.

Isn't everyone else sick of weeding thru the same posts by the same people hour after hour, day after day. You guys keep saying the same **** over and over again. Yet my T-wolves addiction and the chance of new information being posted I keep coming back and wasting a lot of time reading over the same crap to find 1 tiny tidbit of new information.

Totally agree.

[SO_MONEY]

Here is is a different talker...

I believe the last two players we would want to move are Okogie and Layman. In combination with the three 2nds we hold, I would love to target young players with upside that are buried on a teams depth chart. I went through some names to target, though not all can be gotten for that type of package or at this time or are FAs themselves. Anyways, last year Svi and a 2nd for Diallo happened, I am talking that type of deal.

C. Reddish
O. Okongwu
A. Nesmith
N. Claxson
A. Johnson
M. Bridges
P.J. Washington
J. McDaniels
T. Brown Jr.
H. Diallo
KZ Okpala
M. Robinson
M. Bamba
C. Okeke
P. Reed
M. Flynn
P. Achiuwa
M. Brown
K. Thomas
J. Tate
K. Martin Jr
B. Clarke
X. Tillman
J. Porter
N. Alexander-Walker
K. Lewis Jr.
N. Marshall
J. Hayes
D. Bazley
K. Williams
I. Roby
L. Dort
J. Smith
A. Simons
N. Little
T. Davis
L. Walker IV
N. Mannion
R. Perry
C. Stanley
T. Bey
F. Ntilikna
D. Smith Jr
I. Hartebstein
H. Gilies III
S. Mykhailiuk
D.J. Wilson
S. Johnson
D. Exum
J. Jackson
T. Luwawu-Cabarrot
R. Hollis-Jefferson

[minimus]

Here is is a different talker...

I believe the last two players we would want to move are Okogie and Layman. In combination with the three 2nds we hold, I would love to target young players with upside that are buried on a teams depth chart. I went through some names to target, though not all can be gotten for that type of package or at this time or are FAs themselves. Anyways, last year Svi and a 2nd for Diallo happened, I am talking that type of deal.

Would love to add Tyler Bey, he reminds me Shawn Marion, although The Matrix had 7'4" wingspan.

[Nick K]

Watch on YouTube

The stat about touches and time per touch was really interesting to me. This video is 4 years old, but I can't imagine things changed that much.

Great vid. Thanks. To try to pretend that Jaden McDaniels is anywhere near him as a player just makes me shake my head.

Just stop that! NOBODY is comparing McD today to Simmons today. It's all about McD 2-3 years from now. Look at Kris Middleton or Giannis first year. Look at Scottie Pippen 1st year. By stats alone none of them were special either their 1st year. I could be wrong but my bet is McD is a better overall player than Ben in 2-3 years.

Yes, we all know Simmons can pass the ball and drive to the basket. We get that. I love that about him. But how does that work in the Finch scheme? There is only one ball. I suppose Kat, Ant and Dlo are just going to stand around and wait for his highness to get them the ball? Where are the videos showing Simmons rebounding like a demon inside and making bunny's? Which is what we really need him to do for us.

There is only one basketball. How much will Simmons diminish Kat, Ant and Dlo? Simmons has to play off the ball here. Those guys don't need to be setup with a pretty no look pass.

I was the biggest Simmons fan on his draft night. I wish I loved the idea of acquiring him. I do, and I don't. I shouldn't have so many negatives to consider. Look at all the people here who have serious reservations about him. Wouldn't it be nice to have unanimous yeses to getting him?

I will say this he might be invaluable running with the 2nd unit. Don't laugh. No, I'm not saying he only play with the 2nd unit. He'd make all those guys better.

[Nick K]

we should resign vando and give Biyombo a vet min contract. Biyombo could be a solid contributor with 15-18 mins of PT. We'll have a solid bench if we decide to run it back.

Beverly
Beasley
Layman
Vanderbilt
Biyombo and Reid

Dlo
Edwards
Prince
McDaniels
Towns

Need both prince at McDaniels starting because our defense will be better yet we won't compromise that much offense cuz both prince and mcdaniels can shoot and give you at least 10ppg each. Prince and McDaniels will be guarding opposing teams' best guard and best big.

I'm not big on Byambo but I could live with that lineup just fine and wait till the trade deadline where we could probably acquire a great fit for cheap.

[jpatrick]

Watch on YouTube

The stat about touches and time per touch was really interesting to me. This video is 4 years old, but I can't imagine things changed that much.

Great vid. Thanks. To try to pretend that Jaden McDaniels is anywhere near him as a player just makes me shake my head.

Just stop that! NOBODY is comparing McD today to Simmons today. It's all about McD 2-3 years from now. Look at Kris Middleton or Giannis first year. Look at Scottie Pippen 1st year. By stats alone none of them were special either their 1st year. I could be wrong but my bet is McD is a better overall player than Ben in 2-3 years.

Yes, we all know Simmons can pass the ball and drive to the basket. We get that. I love that about him. But how does that work in the Finch scheme? There is only one ball. I suppose Kat, Ant and Dlo are just going to stand around and wait for his highness to get them the ball? Where are the videos showing Simmons rebounding like a demon inside and making bunny's? Which is what we really need him to do for us.

There is only one basketball. How much will Simmons diminish Kat, Ant and Dlo? Simmons has to play off the ball here. Those guys don't need to be setup with a pretty no look pass.

I was the biggest Simmons fan on his draft night. I wish I loved the idea of acquiring him. I do, and I don't. I shouldn't have so many negatives to consider. Look at all the people here who have serious reservations about him. Wouldn't it be nice to have unanimous yeses to getting him?

I will say this he might be invaluable running with the 2nd unit. Don't laugh. No, I'm not saying he only play with the 2nd unit. He'd make all those guys better.

I disagree with just about everything you typed. Finch’s system, unlike Saunders, there will be movement and passing. Not as much Ant/DLo pounding of the ball. We need as many low usage, high BBIQ players as possible.

And I love McDaniels. But the chances he’s a three time all-star by 25, best perimeter defender in the league, and capable of being the #2 guy on a team that has the best record in their conference are not good. So, I’ll take your bet.

But for the record, my hope is that we can pack enough picks in the deal to roll with a DLo, Ant, McDaniels, Simmons, Towns starting lineup.

[Krapinsky]

Some just don't want to let it die. Maybe Simmons deserves his own thread so some other trade discussions could gain some traction here. Just my two cents mods.

[Nick K]

Last thing I wanted to mention.

A lot of people, mostly outside of Minnesota, are saying that MIN needs to make the playoffs, or KAT will ask out. I don’t think that’s true. I think MIN needs to look like it’s trending for the playoffs by season’s end. I think it’s most likely going to happen too, due to the advancements this season from

1. Ant will get better
2. Jaden will get better
3. Beasley won’t be hurt
4. KAT and DLo get to play together
5. Chris Finch will get a whole season, and a chance this off-season to institute his system.

I think our future is going to look brighter than it has in a long time, and KAT will want to be a part of that.

——-

Finally, I think some people put too much stress on the “timeline” thing. One of the advantages to the system we have now is that we have two max players, and two other core pieces that just started rookie deals. Hopefully they improve quickly, but the four players will be affordable as a group until Ant and Jaden get paid.

So true. Well said.

We have enough talent to easily make the playoffs.

[Krapinsky]

John Collins will become trade eligible in little more than 5 months. It doesn't seem like the front office there has ever been too high on paying him and they have a lot of depth in their front court. If the Wolves PF position has not resolved itself by that time, then I could see Rosas making a push for Collins similar to the way he traded for Russell after failing to sign him out right.

Collins would probably take some expiring contracts (e.g. Beverly / Prince) and some picks going back their way. That would save the Hawks from cap hell going forward, give them some vets to make a play off push, and some assets to restock the cupboard going forward.

[Krapinsky]

Last thing I wanted to mention.

A lot of people, mostly outside of Minnesota, are saying that MIN needs to make the playoffs, or KAT will ask out. I don’t think that’s true. I think MIN needs to look like it’s trending for the playoffs by season’s end. I think it’s most likely going to happen too, due to the advancements this season from

1. Ant will get better
2. Jaden will get better
3. Beasley won’t be hurt
4. KAT and DLo get to play together
5. Chris Finch will get a whole season, and a chance this off-season to institute his system.

I think our future is going to look brighter than it has in a long time, and KAT will want to be a part of that.

——-

Finally, I think some people put too much stress on the “timeline” thing. One of the advantages to the system we have now is that we have two max players, and two other core pieces that just started rookie deals. Hopefully they improve quickly, but the four players will be affordable as a group until Ant and Jaden get paid.

So true. Well said.

We have enough talent to easily make the playoffs.

I love the optimism, but there's also this:

Read on Twitter

[Nick K]

Great vid. Thanks. To try to pretend that Jaden McDaniels is anywhere near him as a player just makes me shake my head.

Just stop that! NOBODY is comparing McD today to Simmons today. It's all about McD 2-3 years from now. Look at Kris Middleton or Giannis first year. Look at Scottie Pippen 1st year. By stats alone none of them were special either their 1st year. I could be wrong but my bet is McD is a better overall player than Ben in 2-3 years.

Yes, we all know Simmons can pass the ball and drive to the basket. We get that. I love that about him. But how does that work in the Finch scheme? There is only one ball. I suppose Kat, Ant and Dlo are just going to stand around and wait for his highness to get them the ball? Where are the videos showing Simmons rebounding like a demon inside and making bunny's? Which is what we really need him to do for us.

There is only one basketball. How much will Simmons diminish Kat, Ant and Dlo? Simmons has to play off the ball here. Those guys don't need to be setup with a pretty no look pass.

I was the biggest Simmons fan on his draft night. I wish I loved the idea of acquiring him. I do, and I don't. I shouldn't have so many negatives to consider. Look at all the people here who have serious reservations about him. Wouldn't it be nice to have unanimous yeses to getting him?

I will say this he might be invaluable running with the 2nd unit. Don't laugh. No, I'm not saying he only play with the 2nd unit. He'd make all those guys better.

I disagree with just about everything you typed. Finch’s system, unlike Saunders, there will be movement and passing. Not as much Ant/DLo pounding of the ball. We need as many low usage, high BBIQ players as possible.

And I love McDaniels. But the chances he’s a three time all-star by 25, best perimeter defender in the league, and capable of being the #2 guy on a team that has the best record in their conference are not good. So, I’ll take your bet.

But for the record, my hope is that we can pack enough picks in the deal to roll with a DLo, Ant, McDaniels, Simmons, Towns starting lineup.

I appreciate the reasoned response. I did say overall player. For all of Simmons great abilities he has many that are equally bad. Overall is the key word.

Do you agree that Simmons has to play off the ball here? At PF? If not what are we going to do there?

BTW, I am a ball movement super fan.

[Krapinsky]

I think we can debate fit all day with Simmons but if the team trades for Simmons than that tells you you need to know -- Finch himself signed off on getting Simmons and thinks he will be a good fit in his system. Indeed, I think we can probably assume that's the case if you believe the Wolves' reported interest in Simmons is real at all.

[Nick K]

Last thing I wanted to mention.

A lot of people, mostly outside of Minnesota, are saying that MIN needs to make the playoffs, or KAT will ask out. I don’t think that’s true. I think MIN needs to look like it’s trending for the playoffs by season’s end. I think it’s most likely going to happen too, due to the advancements this season from

1. Ant will get better
2. Jaden will get better
3. Beasley won’t be hurt
4. KAT and DLo get to play together
5. Chris Finch will get a whole season, and a chance this off-season to institute his system.

I think our future is going to look brighter than it has in a long time, and KAT will want to be a part of that.

——-

Finally, I think some people put too much stress on the “timeline” thing. One of the advantages to the system we have now is that we have two max players, and two other core pieces that just started rookie deals. Hopefully they improve quickly, but the four players will be affordable as a group until Ant and Jaden get paid.

So true. Well said.

We have enough talent to easily make the playoffs.

I love the optimism, but there's also this:

Read on Twitter

That really meany nothing except I'll get rich taking the high odds against. Sports books are just trying to lay off money. The poorly informed public don't think we have a chance. That's why the odds are what they are.

[Krapinsky]

So true. Well said.

We have enough talent to easily make the playoffs.

I love the optimism, but there's also this:

Read on Twitter

That really meany nothing except I'll get rich taking the high odds against. Sports books are just trying to lay off money. The poorly informed public don't think we have a chance. That's why the odds are what they are.

I've learned the gambler's mantra 'never bet on your own team' the hard way.

[Dewey]

Last thing I wanted to mention.

A lot of people, mostly outside of Minnesota, are saying that MIN needs to make the playoffs, or KAT will ask out. I don’t think that’s true. I think MIN needs to look like it’s trending for the playoffs by season’s end. I think it’s most likely going to happen too, due to the advancements this season from

1. Ant will get better
2. Jaden will get better
3. Beasley won’t be hurt
4. KAT and DLo get to play together
5. Chris Finch will get a whole season, and a chance this off-season to institute his system.

I think our future is going to look brighter than it has in a long time, and KAT will want to be a part of that.

——-

Finally, I think some people put too much stress on the “timeline” thing. One of the advantages to the system we have now is that we have two max players, and two other core pieces that just started rookie deals. Hopefully they improve quickly, but the four players will be affordable as a group until Ant and Jaden get paid.

So true. Well said.

We have enough talent to easily make the playoffs.

I love the optimism, but there's also this:

Read on Twitter

We dont have an NBA starting caliber PF… that will keep us sub .500 alone.

[KGdaBom]

Watch on YouTube

The stat about touches and time per touch was really interesting to me. This video is 4 years old, but I can't imagine things changed that much.

Great vid. Thanks. To try to pretend that Jaden McDaniels is anywhere near him as a player just makes me shake my head.

Just stop that! NOBODY is comparing McD today to Simmons today. It's all about McD 2-3 years from now. Look at Kris Middleton or Giannis first year. Look at Scottie Pippen 1st year. By stats alone none of them were special either their 1st year. I could be wrong but my bet is McD is a better overall player than Ben in 2-3 years.

Yes, we all know Simmons can pass the ball and drive to the basket. We get that. I love that about him. But how does that work in the Finch scheme? There is only one ball. I suppose Kat, Ant and Dlo are just going to stand around and wait for his highness to get them the ball? Where are the videos showing Simmons rebounding like a demon inside and making bunny's? Which is what we really need him to do for us.

There is only one basketball. How much will Simmons diminish Kat, Ant and Dlo? Simmons has to play off the ball here. Those guys don't need to be setup with a pretty no look pass.

I was the biggest Simmons fan on his draft night. I wish I loved the idea of acquiring him. I do, and I don't. I shouldn't have so many negatives to consider. Look at all the people here who have serious reservations about him. Wouldn't it be nice to have unanimous yeses to getting him?

I will say this he might be invaluable running with the 2nd unit. Don't laugh. No, I'm not saying he only play with the 2nd unit. He'd make all those guys better.

I've stated that he's projecting them over the next three years and has specifically said he expected there to be very little difference. I'm not making anything up and this is getting ridiculous how I'm being accused of saying right now at this very minute. So Money has stated this over and over and over. I see you're drinking the McDaniels Koolaid even more than him. So obviously in your eyes trading him plus other assets for Simmons is a terrible idea. I believe you are correct when you say you could be wrong.