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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#281 » by retrobro90 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:24 pm

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retrobro90 wrote:When it comes to Mobley vs. Chet (on offense) I'd say it comes down to the frequency of offensive brilliance. Chet's shot making/passing/self creation all are established parts of his game at this stage and not something nebulous. Mobley's brilliance in those areas is still often classified as "flashes" even though he is certainly a comfortable in other areas as a short roll passer and play finisher etc. They both have great feel but I think Chet's aggression on offense and overall repertoire lead me to believe he's just got more in his bag on that end of the floor. Going to echo the concerns about Chet's lack of strength however and Mobley's historically low foul rate for his elite rim defense is something to consider when comparing the two (though Chet is far from a slouch as a rim defender).


Well you have to take into consideration that Chet's body development will affect his shot/creation( he might be a solid case study on this). The lack of fluidity is a bit worrisome imo. My biggest gripe with Chet is his offense. I don't think he'll be hanlding the ball a lot or self creating shots otd. I have a much better time picturing what Paolo's or Mobley's offense would look like( high end outcome).


I think we're probably in two different camps then because I think Chet's self creation and fluidity is pretty stellar. Think he'll be able to handle in both half and full court sets.
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Post#282 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:27 pm

Ya, I think Chet is pretty fluid. And that shot is much more developed than Mobley. I see Chet as a guy that can take a 3 off the dribble with a guy in his face and have it not seen as a poor shot (Not a great one, but not a head shaker either)

Mobley is more of a kick-out 3pt guy in the league IMO.

I think there wont be much comparison as to them as 3PT shooters. Both will be capable of making the shot, one much more limited in the types of 3PT shots you want him to take.
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Post#283 » by Sea2003 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:47 pm

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retrobro90 wrote:When it comes to Mobley vs. Chet (on offense) I'd say it comes down to the frequency of offensive brilliance. Chet's shot making/passing/self creation all are established parts of his game at this stage and not something nebulous. Mobley's brilliance in those areas is still often classified as "flashes" even though he is certainly a comfortable in other areas as a short roll passer and play finisher etc. They both have great feel but I think Chet's aggression on offense and overall repertoire lead me to believe he's just got more in his bag on that end of the floor. Going to echo the concerns about Chet's lack of strength however and Mobley's historically low foul rate for his elite rim defense is something to consider when comparing the two (though Chet is far from a slouch as a rim defender).


Well you have to take into consideration that Chet's body development will affect his shot/creation( he might be a solid case study on this). The lack of fluidity is a bit worrisome imo. My biggest gripe with Chet is his offense. I don't think he'll be hanlding the ball a lot or self creating shots otd. I have a much better time picturing what Paolo's or Mobley's offense would look like( high end outcome).


I think we're probably in two different camps then because I think Chet's self creation and fluidity is pretty stellar. Think he'll be able to handle in both half and full court sets.


For a normal 7 footer, he is but I wouldn't consider him to be a Poku where he can play multiple positions and not have to be a 4/5. How does Chet's self creation look in the league? I'm not sure what a high end outcome looks like on offense for him and I doubt we get to see that at Zaga
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Post#284 » by clyde21 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:19 pm

Poku hasn't proven he can do anything at this point, he can do some absurd things at his size in a vacuum but he's effectively had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory, the idea that Poku can play positions that Chet cant is not based on anything at this point
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Post#285 » by EvanZ » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:21 pm

clyde21 wrote:Poku hasn't proven he can do anything at this point, he can do some absurd things at his size in a vacuum but he's effectively had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory, the idea that Poku can play positions that Chet cant is not based on anything at this point


I'm a huge Poku fan but I wish he played with Chet's motor.
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Post#286 » by Sea2003 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:23 pm

clyde21 wrote:Poku hasn't proven he can do anything at this point, he can do some absurd things at his size in a vacuum but he's effectively had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory, the idea that Poku can play positions that Chet cant is not based on anything at this point


Poku can theoretically play the 2 and 3 right now( not saying he'd excel but it's certainly possible). Their body types are a bit different. Poku doesn't look like a traditional 7 footer
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Post#287 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:29 pm

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clyde21 wrote:Poku hasn't proven he can do anything at this point, he can do some absurd things at his size in a vacuum but he's effectively had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory, the idea that Poku can play positions that Chet cant is not based on anything at this point


Poku can theoretically play the 2 and 3 right now( not saying he'd excel but it's certainly possible). Their body types are a bit different. Poku doesn't look like a traditional 7 footer


Ya. Poku is a blue chip if your just looking for fluidity in a 7 footer. He moves absurdly well for his size.

Chet is very mobile for 7 feet, but not on the level of Poku IMO.

But Chet has a much more developed post game and I like his shot mechanics more. I think Poku can tweak his shot into something consistent but right now its a forward flail with a forehead release. Its just so odd looking.
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Post#288 » by clyde21 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:40 pm

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clyde21 wrote:Poku hasn't proven he can do anything at this point, he can do some absurd things at his size in a vacuum but he's effectively had one of the worst rookie years in recent memory, the idea that Poku can play positions that Chet cant is not based on anything at this point


Poku can theoretically play the 2 and 3 right now( not saying he'd excel but it's certainly possible). Their body types are a bit different. Poku doesn't look like a traditional 7 footer


everything about Poku is theoretical, he can theoretically do a lot of things, but right now it's all pie in the sky stuff and nothing that he can apply consistently in the NBA...again, he had an absolutely abysmal rookie year, one of the worst in years for a dude that got the minutes he did, so saying he can play positions in the NBA that Chet can't is unfounded right now.
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Post#289 » by Sea2003 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:49 pm

I think misunderstading what i'm saying. What I'm saying is while Chet moves well for a 7 footer, he doesn't move well enough to play anything outside the 4 and 5. Nothing wrong with that really.
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Post#290 » by clyde21 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:38 pm

well ya of course, but I don't think anyone was looking at Chet as anything other than a 4/5 hybrid with ball skills?
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Post#291 » by nolang1 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:58 am

clyde21 wrote:well ya of course, but I don't think anyone was looking at Chet as anything other than a 4/5 hybrid with ball skills?


I think the point is that bigs like Chet or Mobley have issues on a couple fronts defensively where obviously the really bulky guys can post them up and get them into foul trouble, seal them off, or beat them on the offensive glass, and then if you go 5-out against them they're not liabilities but are closer to average defenders than game-changers on that end if their value comes mostly from the helpside rather than from locking down opposing #1 options. And then from there, as the OP alluded to, deeming someone as a '4/5 hybrid with some ball skills' is already putting somewhat of a ceiling on their ability to create offense as guys like LeBron, KD, or Giannis who could also serve as 4s or 5s defensively don't get described that way.
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Post#292 » by NO-KG-AI » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:07 am

Poku doesn’t move well enough to play the 2-3 either. He’s not fast enough to best 2/3’s off the dribble consistently or stop them from driving either.

I mean, he’s got great movement for a tall guy, but nobody is looking at him as somebody that would ever play minutes as a back court player, be real.

We really need to let these 7’ guard fantasies go. It’s the most overpursued dream that never happens in basketball.
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Post#293 » by DCasey91 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:57 am

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retrobro90 wrote:I don't mean to disparage the kid because he seems like a good guy and very talented but I wish Banchero had a little more burst for his archetype. If he's billed as a monster grab n go threat and full court initiator I'd like to see better end to end speed and vertical pop. I haven't seen much written about his defense but the Randle comparison kind of scares me a bit. What kind of player does that make him at the next level if he's not great defensively and not a Barkley-esque power dribbler? First year in Detroit Blake Griffin maybe? Still need to watch more of him in a fixed traditional camera angle.

Man I instantly thought of that when watching him. That would be a hell of a player though if healthy. I loved that version of Blake with the versatility he had and wished he was just young with some healthy knees.


Oh yeah I meant that comparison as complementary. Trying to visualize Banchero flourishing as the less explosive/more cerebral version of Blake.


Man Pistons Blake Griffin is bang on the mark on the playing style comparison. I had final form Ben Simmons, Huge Cade or Bulky Tatum but nope that is a perfect description.

Love Banch, still developing skillwise, huge and I mean huge. 250 6”10”. Got the T. rex arms like Blake/Ben

But yeah Pistons Griffin was and is a stud muffin outcome.
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Post#294 » by EvanZ » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:29 am

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We really need to let these 7’ guard fantasies go. It’s the most overpursued dream that never happens in basketball.


What is KD?
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Post#295 » by Marcus » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:39 am

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NO-KG-AI wrote:
We really need to let these 7’ guard fantasies go. It’s the most overpursued dream that never happens in basketball.


What is KD?


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Post#296 » by Hal14 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:00 am

Marcus wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:
We really need to let these 7’ guard fantasies go. It’s the most overpursued dream that never happens in basketball.


What is KD?


A Created Player

KD is a forward, not a guard and he's 6'10", not 7'0"
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Post#297 » by DCasey91 » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:03 am

Yeah KD ain’t real lol same with Giannis.

Anyway I’ve already got five from this year that I like and on my list just like last year (highly enjoyable scouting prospects) and I’ll keep close tabs on them.

1. Banch
2. Prkacin
3. Jovic
4. Chet
5. Hardy

I think they’ll all go top ten. Not really a hot take on that one lol (Hopefully I get the list to 12/13 like last year too).
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Post#298 » by EvanZ » Thu Sep 2, 2021 2:51 am

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What is KD?


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KD is a forward, not a guard and he's 6'10", not 7'0"


I mean you can write words, but everyone here knows they ain't true. :lol:
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Post#299 » by NO-KG-AI » Thu Sep 2, 2021 3:25 am

EvanZ wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:
We really need to let these 7’ guard fantasies go. It’s the most overpursued dream that never happens in basketball.


What is KD?

A 6’10 forward with pretty good handles and mediocre playmaking.
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Post#300 » by EvanZ » Thu Sep 2, 2021 3:59 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:
We really need to let these 7’ guard fantasies go. It’s the most overpursued dream that never happens in basketball.


What is KD?

A 6’10 forward with pretty good handles and mediocre playmaking.


By this definition half the "guards" in the league are forwards, because KD has better handles and passing than at least half of them. Probably a lot more than that.

I know you out here trying to defend a bad take...but let's get real. :lol:

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