Trade Talk (Part Eight)

[IceManBK1]

I rather we trade for lauri and resign Vando for defense. Pssh we can't trade Beverly until 10/1. Let the Simmons trade idea drag on...

[IceManBK1]

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So what now, Morey.. 76ers might be able to get a guy like buddy hield or Malcolm Brogdon. And we can help.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/08/24/nba-rumors-indiana-pacers-philaedlphia-76ers-trade-focused-ben-simmons/2/

I don't think pacers will trade both brogdon and tj Warren for Simmons.. But we can get Philly Brogdon and Beasley and few 1st rder. And Simmons to Ind. And we get Myles Turner and filler. Turner would be much better fit. And won't the ball away from dlo, ant and towns. Rosas should change course and try to just offer Beasley and a 1st for Turner.

[jpatrick]

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So what now, Morey.. 76ers might be able to get a guy like buddy hield or Malcolm Brogdon. And we can help.

It’ll be interesting to see what he does. He really has three choices. 1) keep Simmons for now. I just don’t see it but could happen. 2). Trade Simmons for the best package of win-now pieces he can find. This could be Indy (Brogdon + ), SA (Murray + ), Sac (Fox?), or other team. 3). Trade Simmons for best package of assets to acquire a Lillard/Beal type at the deadline. This is obviously risky because who knows what’s going to be available at the deadline.

Unless we can make a three or four team trade, our best hope is obvi that Morey picks basket 3. A Beasley, Prince, Layman plus multiple picks and pick swaps will be much more valuable to a Portland or Washington wanting a full rebuild than random players from San Antonio or Indy.

[Calinks]

Sixers want Lillaird bad so they will stay put until they feel they can get him. I do think taking Simmons into next season will be a disaster as thefans will be insane but if Simmons does play well, that makes Moreys life WAY easier. He can stand pat for as long as possible in hopes of a Lillaird trade and he can raise Simmons value.

[winforlose]

Sixers want Lillaird bad so they will stay put until they feel they can get him. I do think taking Simmons into next season will be a disaster as thefans will be insane but if Simmons does play well, that makes Moreys life WAY easier. He can stand pat for as long as possible in hopes of a Lillaird trade and he can raise Simmons value.

I doubt it works out for anyone. Simmons would be unhappy and the locker room would be divided between his friends and those who want him gone. The fans will heckle and overall the situation is reminiscent of General Soreness. Worse still, an injury to Simmons plummets his value. I can definitely see him moving early in the season.

[Neeva]

Sixers want Lillaird bad so they will stay put until they feel they can get him. I do think taking Simmons into next season will be a disaster as thefans will be insane but if Simmons does play well, that makes Moreys life WAY easier. He can stand pat for as long as possible in hopes of a Lillaird trade and he can raise Simmons value.

I am sure he will be the same player as always then completely $hit the bed when it matters most.

[jpatrick]

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/ben-simmons-trade-odds-update-kings-are-now-the-favorites/

mybookie.com has us as the second most likely to acquire Simmons behind the Kings. I think the Spurs are too low on this list.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/ben-simmons-trade-odds-update-kings-are-now-the-favorites/

mybookie.com has us as the second most likely to acquire Simmons behind the Kings. I think the Spurs are too low on this list.

I would take Harrison Barnes off their hands.. Maybe sth like Beasley+Layman+2nd Rder.

[shrink]

I would imagine this reduces our chance of getting Ben Simmons down from 20% to 10%, making matching salary difficult, or at least delayed.

But who knows? It feels like we haven’t heard the last of this soap opera, and as camp grows closer and closer for Philly, it feels this drama is going to reach it’s peak soon.

I doubt any Simmons trade happens much before Oct. 1, which is when HoopsHype is reporting that Beverley is able to be aggregated. Besides, I really think we actually want to keep Pat here, even if we want to make a Simmons trade..

I agree, but if our three salary pieces for matching are Malik, Prince, and Beverley, I think PHI would want Beasley and Beverley.

[IceManBK1]

https://clutchpoints.com/sixers-rumors-ben-simmons-trade-saga-could-get-ugly-if-76ers-dont-act-soon/

I'd like to see Simmons man up and tell Morey straight up to trade me. Or tell his agent to do so.

[IceManBK1]

I would imagine this reduces our chance of getting Ben Simmons down from 20% to 10%, making matching salary difficult, or at least delayed.

But who knows? It feels like we haven’t heard the last of this soap opera, and as camp grows closer and closer for Philly, it feels this drama is going to reach it’s peak soon.

I doubt any Simmons trade happens much before Oct. 1, which is when HoopsHype is reporting that Beverley is able to be aggregated. Besides, I really think we actually want to keep Pat here, even if we want to make a Simmons trade..

I agree, but if our three salary pieces for matching are Malik, Prince, and Beverley, I think PHI would want Beasley and Beverley.

Beverly can't be traded until 10/1...i think b4 then training camp would've started already.

[jpatrick]

I doubt any Simmons trade happens much before Oct. 1, which is when HoopsHype is reporting that Beverley is able to be aggregated. Besides, I really think we actually want to keep Pat here, even if we want to make a Simmons trade..

I agree, but if our three salary pieces for matching are Malik, Prince, and Beverley, I think PHI would want Beasley and Beverley.

Beverly can't be traded until 10/1...i think b4 then training camp would've started already.

Training camps start 9/28. If a deal is reach, I’m sure the teams would have no problems holding those players out of camp two days until the deal can be finalized.

[Domejandro]

https://clutchpoints.com/sixers-rumors-ben-simmons-trade-saga-could-get-ugly-if-76ers-dont-act-soon/

I'd like to see Simmons man up and tell Morey straight up to trade me. Or tell his agent to do so.

....That clearly has already happened.

[floppymoose]

What I would like to see (as someone rooting for TWolves in this scenario) is a trade built around a Simmons/Dlo swap.

I think adding a Wolves first rounder to the package makes it fair*. By fair here I mean market price. Wolves would come out way ahead on this trade I think, but for the Sixers they are going to eventually have to answer the question "do we want to hold this max contract slot that will let us acquire a different player later? or do we want to lose it and have the cap rules prevent us from getting it back?". It was the same issue GS faced when they took on DLo's contract from the Nets.

I don't think anyone else is going to give anything better for Simmons than DLo + a first, and Minny is the team I could see him really thriving on. The Beverley signing means you have a PG, and also one who plays defense. He and Simmons could really breathe some life into that end of the floor and that can make it so much easier to motivate other players.

[minimus]

What I would like to see (as someone rooting for TWolves in this scenario) is a trade built around a Simmons/Dlo swap.

I think adding a Wolves first rounder to the package makes it fair*. By fair here I mean market price. Wolves would come out way ahead on this trade I think, but for the Sixers they are going to eventually have to answer the question "do we want to hold this max contract slot that will let us acquire a different player later? or do we want to lose it and have the cap rules prevent us from getting it back?". It was the same issue GS faced when they took on DLo's contract from the Nets.

I don't think anyone else is going to give anything better for Simmons than DLo + a first, and Minny is the team I could see him really thriving on. The Beverley signing means you have a PG, and also one who plays defense. He and Simmons could really breathe some life into that end of the floor and that can make it so much easier to motivate other players.

The problem ist without DLo we would have same issues as PHI:
* - lack of 3pt shooting
* - lack of playmaking from backcourt

Ben Simmons is more Dray Green than traditional PG: short roll passer, post passer. It means he does not hold the ball nor dribble a lot, he is able to make quick decision, because he is 6'9 passer we can execute some passes that other cant. Beverly as full time PG should not be an option, if we trade DLo, there is no depth at PG, since McLaughlin is not re-signed yet and Beverly misses many game with injuries (which is understandable given his physical playing style)

IMO it does not make sense to trade DLo for Simmons.

[Domejandro]

What I would like to see (as someone rooting for TWolves in this scenario) is a trade built around a Simmons/Dlo swap.

I think adding a Wolves first rounder to the package makes it fair*. By fair here I mean market price. Wolves would come out way ahead on this trade I think, but for the Sixers they are going to eventually have to answer the question "do we want to hold this max contract slot that will let us acquire a different player later? or do we want to lose it and have the cap rules prevent us from getting it back?". It was the same issue GS faced when they took on DLo's contract from the Nets.

I don't think anyone else is going to give anything better for Simmons than DLo + a first, and Minny is the team I could see him really thriving on. The Beverley signing means you have a PG, and also one who plays defense. He and Simmons could really breathe some life into that end of the floor and that can make it so much easier to motivate other players.

The problem ist without DLo we would have same issues as PHI:
* - lack of 3pt shooting
* - lack of playmaking from backcourt

Ben Simmons is more Dray Green than traditional PG: short roll passer, post passer. It means he does not hold the ball nor dribble a lot, he is able to make quick decision, because he is 6'9 passer we can execute some passes that other cant. Beverly as full time PG should not be an option, if we trade DLo, there is no depth at PG, since McLaughlin is not re-signed yet and Beverly misses many game with injuries (which is understandable given his physical playing style)

IMO it does not make sense to trade DLo for Simmons.

Respectfully, I disagree. I also prefer the idea of trading D'Angelo Russell for Ben Simmons. Assuming it would be something like D'Angelo Russell, Jaden McDaniels, and a pick or two....

Patrick Beverly / Jordan McLaughlin (RFA)
Malik Beasley / Jaylen Nowell
Anthony Edwards / Josh Okogie / Jake Layman
Ben Simmons / Taurean Prince / Jarred Vanderbilt (RFA)
Karl-Anthony Towns / Naz Reid

I absolutely love the balance of that roster. It fits beautifully around Ben Simmons.

Patrick Beverly shoots around 38-40% from behind the arc and is a hardnosed defensive player, while Jordan McLaughlin offers solid shooting and facilitating; Ben Simmons is also an accomplished Point-Guard.

Malik Beasley and Jaylen Nowell both offer ELITE level three-point shooting.

Anthony Edwards can score at every level, and would be elite in pick-and-roll action with Ben Simmons (tape of Harris/Simmons pick-and-rolls proves this).

Taurean Prince (and to a lesser extent, Jake Layman) offers elite catch-and-shooting off of the bench.

Karl-Anthony Towns and Naz Reid are both excellent three-point shooters (Towns is the best in NBA History), giving Ben Simmons massive amounts of space to operate on-ball, at the dunker's spot, and as a cutter (where he is objectively the best non-center cutter in the NBA).

Josh Okogie and Jarred Vanderbilt give Minnesota defensive utility guys off of the bench for certain match-ups.


Finish off the roster with signing a player like Langston Galloway (streaky, but talented shooter who has never missed a game because of injuries) to a minimum contract, and I think Minnesota would be a Playoff lock.

[TaylorTag]

I just don't see Rosas swapping D'Lo for Simmons. First, he loves Russel. Second, the whole point is to surround KAT with his friends/contemporaries... Don't see him giving up D'Lo to add Simmons, no matter the potential bball fit.

You can argue whether there is any logic or strategic thinking behind that, but I truly believe that is where Rosas is at. He doesn't want to give up part of his core. If that means we are out on Simmons, then the ownership group has something concrete to judge Rosas -- how that decision plays out.

[minimus]

What I would like to see (as someone rooting for TWolves in this scenario) is a trade built around a Simmons/Dlo swap.

I think adding a Wolves first rounder to the package makes it fair*. By fair here I mean market price. Wolves would come out way ahead on this trade I think, but for the Sixers they are going to eventually have to answer the question "do we want to hold this max contract slot that will let us acquire a different player later? or do we want to lose it and have the cap rules prevent us from getting it back?". It was the same issue GS faced when they took on DLo's contract from the Nets.

I don't think anyone else is going to give anything better for Simmons than DLo + a first, and Minny is the team I could see him really thriving on. The Beverley signing means you have a PG, and also one who plays defense. He and Simmons could really breathe some life into that end of the floor and that can make it so much easier to motivate other players.

The problem ist without DLo we would have same issues as PHI:
* - lack of 3pt shooting
* - lack of playmaking from backcourt

Ben Simmons is more Dray Green than traditional PG: short roll passer, post passer. It means he does not hold the ball nor dribble a lot, he is able to make quick decision, because he is 6'9 passer we can execute some passes that other cant. Beverly as full time PG should not be an option, if we trade DLo, there is no depth at PG, since McLaughlin is not re-signed yet and Beverly misses many game with injuries (which is understandable given his physical playing style)

IMO it does not make sense to trade DLo for Simmons.

Respectfully, I disagree. I also prefer the idea of trading D'Angelo Russell for Ben Simmons. Assuming it would be something like D'Angelo Russell, Jaden McDaniels, and a pick or two....

Patrick Beverly / Jordan McLaughlin (RFA)
Malik Beasley / Jaylen Nowell
Anthony Edwards / Josh Okogie / Jake Layman
Ben Simmons / Taurean Prince / Jarred Vanderbilt (RFA)
Karl-Anthony Towns / Naz Reid

I absolutely love the balance of that roster. It fits beautifully around Ben Simmons.

Patrick Beverly shoots around 38-40% from behind the arc and is a hardnosed defensive player, while Jordan McLaughlin offers solid shooting and facilitating; Ben Simmons is also an accomplished Point-Guard.

Malik Beasley and Jaylen Nowell both offer ELITE level three-point shooting.

Anthony Edwards can score at every level, and would be elite in pick-and-roll action with Ben Simmons (tape of Harris/Simmons pick-and-rolls proves this).

Taurean Prince (and to a lesser extent, Jake Layman) offers elite catch-and-shooting off of the bench.

Karl-Anthony Towns and Naz Reid are both excellent three-point shooters (Towns is the best in NBA History), giving Ben Simmons massive amounts of space to operate on-ball, at the dunker's spot, and as a cutter (where he is objectively the best non-center cutter in the NBA).

Josh Okogie and Jarred Vanderbilt give Minnesota defensive utility guys off of the bench for certain match-ups.


Finish off the roster with signing a player like Langston Galloway (streaky, but talented shooter who has never missed a game because of injuries) to a minimum contract, and I think Minnesota would be a Playoff lock.

DLo is a special player, he is often underrated because of his weird playing style. You mentioned Nowell and Reid as an excellent/elite three point shooters, but it might be a bit optimistic view. Nowell and Reid are versatile scorers, but hardly elite shooters. Meanwhile DLo last season was one of the top pull-up shooters, and while DLo and Simmons skills overlap a bit, they are very different players, how cant be replaced.

[NebWolvesFan]

I just don't see Rosas swapping D'Lo for Simmons. First, he loves Russel. Second, the whole point is to surround KAT with his friends/contemporaries... Don't see him giving up D'Lo to add Simmons, no matter the potential bball fit.

You can argue whether there is any logic or strategic thinking behind that, but I truly believe that is where Rosas is at. He doesn't want to give up part of his core. If that means we are out on Simmons, then the ownership group has something concrete to judge Rosas -- how that decision plays out.

As with most All-NBA players with powerful agents, Simmons is going to have a say in where he ends up. I don't think he will accept a trade to Minnesota without his friend and former teammate - Russell - on the team. Plus, Rosas is not trading Russell unless a solid PG is coming back and I don't think Rosas or Finch wants to play Simmons at the point.

Simmons to Minnesota is messy that's why I prefer the Wolves look into Nance Jr or even someone like Kleber instead. Maybe even Gallo.