OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[spree8]

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Still so much to be studied. According to this study though, it looks like those with natural immunity are benefited with 1 dose of vaccine than 2.

[movingon]

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Still so much to be studied. According to this study though, it looks like those with natural immunity are benefited with 1 dose of vaccine than 2.

Here in France (and I believe everywhere in Europe) people who've already been infected only get 1 dose of vaccine.
I'm surprised it's not the same in the US.

[movingon]

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Still so much to be studied. According to this study though, it looks like those with natural immunity are benefited with 1 dose of vaccine than 2.

Here in France (and I believe everywhere in Europe) people who've already been infected only get 1 dose of vaccine.
I'm surprised it's not the same in the US.

Edit: Here's an short writeup in Nature about it:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01609-4

[BKlutch]

Foolish? Gtfo here. Thousands have died from the vaccine and it’s not a risk? Who’s posting foolish stuff now? And once again… natural immunity vs vaccine. If you’re gunna attack my post, please get it right. Wake up.

Please show me valid expert opinion showing natural immunity prevented those over 600,000 deaths.

What you write is increasingly looking uneducated and more like an attempt to convince others of something that just isn't true.

I honestly don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

What you're saying is that if two men have guns pointed at you, and one has a particular chance of killing you, while the other has well below 1% of that chance of killing you, you'd think the one with the much lower chance was dangerous, and you'd go for the one with the higher chance. That is not really sane, Spee.

Also, you didn't read the verbiage from the CDC. These are people who devote their lifetime careers to doing this. Who gives you your information?

[BKlutch]

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Still so much to be studied. According to this study though, it looks like those with natural immunity are benefited with 1 dose of vaccine than 2.

Here in France (and I believe everywhere in Europe) people who've already been infected only get 1 dose of vaccine.
I'm surprised it's not the same in the US.

In the US we have more vaccine than people willing to take it. Because the second shot would still increase immunity in those who were infected already, it is recommended. You should also know that those who were infected with one variant have relatively little immunity to the Delta variant. With the full vaccine, there is a higher immunity to Delta, although it isn't as high as to the earlier variants

NOTE: Youtube is not an expert. Those on Youtube would need to have demonstrated expertise beyond just having created a video.

[spree8]

Please show me valid expert opinion showing natural immunity prevented those over 600,000 deaths.

What you write is increasingly looking uneducated and more like an attempt to convince others of something that just isn't true.

I honestly don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

What you're saying is that if two men have guns pointed at you, and one has a particular chance of killing you, while the other has well below 1% of that chance of killing you, you'd think the one with the much lower chance was dangerous, and you'd go for the one with the higher chance. That is not really sane, Spee.

Also, you didn't read the verbiage from the CDC. These are people who devote their lifetime careers to doing this. Who gives you your information?

No I’m not. I’m trying to fact find the actual %’s and weighing the risks of each. This is not black n white or cut n dry as you’re trying to make it. It’s very nuanced. There’s so many variables to consider and it’s difficult when there’s not enough research. If you can’t respect that, then I dunno what to tell you. I asked a question. You reinforced my concerns with your facts about thousands dying from it. It’s a risk, as I said. It may be small, but it’s still something to take into consideration (as are other side effects). The level of anger you and the others demonstrated, instead of coming correct and having a discussion is ridiculous. How you could be so offended by a question and a legitimate concern is beyond me. Cant see how that approach to other people works out for y’all in the real world, but hey, do you.

[stuporman]

Some people have a position they have decided on motivated by politics or religion or whatever and it does not matter one bit the evidence stacked against their position they will cling to it as if there very life depends on it because their whole identity is dependent on it.

They discard all of the verified evidence in favor of the loosely correlated facts that have no real evidentiary connection to the issue. They will bend and twist their minds to believe the most outrageous ideas and conspiracies as long as it supports their previously decided position.

They are well within the 'freedoms' to not get the vaccine or not wear a mask.... at home. Once they go into public though they aren't free to do whatever they want. You can walk around your house naked all you like but you can't walk around in public naked.

If you release a deadly pathogen in public in some mechanical method it's a crime but if you breath it out of your own body it's legal? There are ramifications if you knowingly expose someone to a disease you can be criminally prosecuted but none of these people think they are effecting anyone else with their actions.

People's freedoms end where others' rights begin. They are welcome to live their life anyway they want as long as they aren't effecting other people's rights, our freedoms do have some limitations in public and that's just the way it is because the constitution says 'we the people' not 'me the person'.

This is a community based legal document that does protect individual rights but not at the expense of the community. The constitution protects 'we the people's...general welfare' in it's founding text of the preamble, it is the stated purpose of the constitution and didn't require amendments to add the protection.

Nobody owes them a seat on a plane or at a restaurant and nobody is owed to shop or post content wherever they want if they don't abide by the rules set by the company. They want their cake and eat it, too... or more accurately, they want to deny to bake your cake but demand you bake theirs.

Freedom cuts both ways I guess.... you are free to not wear a mask or get a vaccination and they are free to deny you service so you are free to get your maskless unvaxxed ass outta there you have no right to be served because ignorant and entitled isn't immutable nature protected by the constitution.

Although.... watching some people I'm beginning to wonder if ignorant and entitled is an immutable nature because I doubt they will ever change.

[HarthorneWingo]

I honestly don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

What you're saying is that if two men have guns pointed at you, and one has a particular chance of killing you, while the other has well below 1% of that chance of killing you, you'd think the one with the much lower chance was dangerous, and you'd go for the one with the higher chance. That is not really sane, Spee.

Also, you didn't read the verbiage from the CDC. These are people who devote their lifetime careers to doing this. Who gives you your information?

No I’m not. I’m trying to fact find the actual %’s and weighing the risks of each. This is not black n white or cut n dry as you’re trying to make it. It’s very nuanced. There’s so many variables to consider and it’s difficult when there’s not enough research. If you can’t respect that, then I dunno what to tell you. I asked a question. You reinforced my concerns with your facts about thousands dying from it. It’s a risk, as I said. It may be small, but it’s still something to take into consideration (as are other side effects). The level of anger you and the others demonstrated, instead of coming correct and having a discussion is ridiculous. How you could be so offended by a question and a legitimate concern is beyond me. Cant see how that approach to other people works out for y’all in the real world, but hey, do you.

I will say that you obviously have a closely held fear that this vaccine may do you harm. I will not try and change your mind about that. That said, you also have a responsibility to your community, i.e. the people you come into close contact with on a daily basis. So I have a couple of questions for you:

1. Have you had a serious conversation with you doctor about this issue? What was their medical advice?

2. Do you take any precautions when you go into public, i.e. indoor shopping, eating, movies, concerts, etc.

[movingon]

In the US we have more vaccine than people willing to take it. Because the second shot would still increase immunity in those who were infected already, it is recommended. You should also know that those who were infected with one variant have relatively little immunity to the Delta variant. With the full vaccine, there is a higher immunity to Delta, although it isn't as high as to the earlier variants

Fair enough. Then there's the ethical debate around how much we should be pumping up our immunity vs. making sure the rest of the world is immunized. That being said, when my booster rolls around i'll be the first man in line.

[spree8]

What you're saying is that if two men have guns pointed at you, and one has a particular chance of killing you, while the other has well below 1% of that chance of killing you, you'd think the one with the much lower chance was dangerous, and you'd go for the one with the higher chance. That is not really sane, Spee.

Also, you didn't read the verbiage from the CDC. These are people who devote their lifetime careers to doing this. Who gives you your information?

No I’m not. I’m trying to fact find the actual %’s and weighing the risks of each. This is not black n white or cut n dry as you’re trying to make it. It’s very nuanced. There’s so many variables to consider and it’s difficult when there’s not enough research. If you can’t respect that, then I dunno what to tell you. I asked a question. You reinforced my concerns with your facts about thousands dying from it. It’s a risk, as I said. It may be small, but it’s still something to take into consideration (as are other side effects). The level of anger you and the others demonstrated, instead of coming correct and having a discussion is ridiculous. How you could be so offended by a question and a legitimate concern is beyond me. Cant see how that approach to other people works out for y’all in the real world, but hey, do you.

I will say that you obviously have a closely held fear that this vaccine may do you harm. I will not try and change your mind about that. That said, you also have a responsibility to your community, i.e. the people you come into close contact with on a daily basis. So I have a couple of questions for you:

1. Have you had a serious conversation with you doctor about this issue? What was their medical advice?

2. Do you take any precautions when you go into public, i.e. indoor shopping, eating, movies, concerts, etc.

For sure, mainly because of how quickly it came out and the issues with the J&J vaccine. Plus this doctor I saw on TV named Dr. Hooman Noorchashm talking about the natural immunity vs vaccine topic. There are others too, but I remember him off hand.

My doctor said I should take it, but my girlfriend’s doctor said not to after she was hospitalized for a week from the virus (she had pneumonia and got the plasma because it was so bad).

I know people who’ve been fine after taking the vaccine and others who said they felt like they were dying for a few days. It def scares me especially with the other possible side effects (heart inflammation) and all.

But yes, I know I should be helping to protect others, and I try to stay away from indoor places… when I do things it’s mainly outdoors, beaches, parks, pool, basketball court, etc, but distance from strangers. If I have to go to a public place indoors, I always wear my N95 mask.

[spree8]

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1


Background: Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods: We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups: (1)SARS-CoV-2-naive individuals who received a two-dose regimen of the BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, (2)previously infected individuals who have not been vaccinated, and (3)previously infected and single dose vaccinated individuals.

Three multivariate logistic regression models were applied. In all models we evaluated four outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, COVID-19-related hospitalization and death. The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when the Delta variant was dominant in Israel. Results: SARS-CoV-2-naive vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021.

The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naive vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naive vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

[Clyde_Style]

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Still so much to be studied. According to this study though, it looks like those with natural immunity are benefited with 1 dose of vaccine than 2.

Have you tested positive for covid already?

[spree8]

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Still so much to be studied. According to this study though, it looks like those with natural immunity are benefited with 1 dose of vaccine than 2.

Have you tested positive for covid already?

Yes, February 4th, 2021

[Clyde_Style]

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Still so much to be studied. According to this study though, it looks like those with natural immunity are benefited with 1 dose of vaccine than 2.

Have you tested positive for covid already?

Yes, February 4th, 2021

Did you get sick or have you been asymptomatic?

[Little Italia]

Folks, just take your vitamin D3. Seriously, this topic has died down as of late when it comes to Vitamin D3.

I used to have low levels (21 ng/ml) of D3 2 years ago and would get sick all the time (Nov '19) and by some dumb luck I decided enough was enough and started taking 5k IU everyday. Since then I hardly get sick and my levels are in the 60-65 ng/ml range.

I still got the vaccine (Pfizer) and got no reaction whatsoever from the both shots.

TAKE THE D!!

[Clyde_Style]

The thing to consider about antibody tests is when there is a positive result it still does not give you a quantitative answer as to HOW immune to covid you are. The presence of antibodies in previously infected people is a natural outcome and is considered to some degree to give you some form of immunity. In some instances it may even result in a superior inoculation compared to a vaccinated person, but this is not necessarily a given and it could easily be a weaker defense as well. Either way, we’re all in flux as vaccines weaken and lead to booster shots and the viruses mutate.

Yes, a person who had Covid can also get vaccinated, but this is a decision you make with a physician probably, including the choice to get one shot instead of two. But a covid infection from 18 months ago produced antibodies that may not protect you as much against Delta so I certainly would not get complacent about assuming any level of immunity if you remain unvaccinated.

[spree8]

Have you tested positive for covid already?

Yes, February 4th, 2021

Did you get sick or have you been asymptomatic?

I was sick… wasn’t too bad. I have allergies, and read a study about a link between cases less severe in people with them (also asthma too, which I had as a kid)… dunno if maybe that’s why mine wasn’t as bad as my girlfriends 6 months ago.

https://www.med.wisc.edu/news-and-events/2020/april/allergies-asthma-may-reduce-covid-19-risk-/

[Clyde_Style]

Just a reminder now about how serious this pandemic is becoming again.

Florida’s hospitals are at their WORST level since the very beginning of the pandemic. I turned on the radio and they said 36 hospitals in Florida are now at 48 hours oxygen reserves and another group are at 24 hour reserves and about a dozen hospitals have only 12 hours of oxygen left.

Combine that with the HIGHEST hospitalization rate happening NOW with no free beds, if the oxygen runs out people will literally die on their tubes.

Does anyone want this? I’m not being provocative when I ask this, because most of this was preventable

So every hour another hundred people die from covid nationwide because we just couldn’t cooperate with one another as a society and mask up together and then get our vaccines

Sure, some of you may have other medical considerations, I know people like that too, but framing this as a freedom issue is just rotten at the core

Think of the doctors and nurses whose lives have been destroyed by performing triage for a year and a half when they shouldn’t have had to. Don’t we owe them some form of cooperation?

And the eldery and sick are not sacrificial lambs. They deserve to live just as much as the selfish person who declares themselves healthy and unconcerned about the odds of getting sick themselves.

American Individualism’s ugliness has been exposed during this pandemic

[Clyde_Style]

Yes, February 4th, 2021

Did you get sick or have you been asymptomatic?

I was sick… wasn’t too bad. I have allergies, and read a study about a link between cases less severe in people with them (also asthma too, which I had as a kid)… dunno if maybe that’s why mine wasn’t as bad as my girlfriends 6 months ago.

https://www.med.wisc.edu/news-and-events/2020/april/allergies-asthma-may-reduce-covid-19-risk-/

Well, you make your choice. I can’t recommend you get the vaccine, but if there is very low probabilities of contraindications in your case I would consider it. You contracted it at the beginning of all this and now we’re dealing with a different animal.

As far as earlier today, what I took exception with was broadcasting vaccines as “Risky”. The world has too much loose language these days. There are risks to almost anything including all vaccines. That anti-vaxxers, particularly the ones with a political agenda, chose to turn everything about covid vaccines into a list of objections meant to scare the crap out of people needs to be challenged. Highlighting something with an infinitesimal probability as risky is what those people do. I’m not lumping you in with them, but the language overlapped.

Overall, the vaccines have provided massive benefits to the overwhelming majority of those who’ve taken it. Knowing if you have any risk co-factors is sensible.

[Clyde_Style]

Some people have a position they have decided on motivated by politics or religion or whatever and it does not matter one bit the evidence stacked against their position they will cling to it as if there very life depends on it because their whole identity is dependent on it.

They discard all of the verified evidence in favor of the loosely correlated facts that have no real evidentiary connection to the issue. They will bend and twist their minds to believe the most outrageous ideas and conspiracies as long as it supports their previously decided position.

They are well within the 'freedoms' to not get the vaccine or not wear a mask.... at home. Once they go into public though they aren't free to do whatever they want. You can walk around your house naked all you like but you can't walk around in public naked.

If you release a deadly pathogen in public in some mechanical method it's a crime but if you breath it out of your own body it's legal? There are ramifications if you knowingly expose someone to a disease you can be criminally prosecuted but none of these people think they are effecting anyone else with their actions.

People's freedoms end where others' rights begin. They are welcome to live their life anyway they want as long as they aren't effecting other people's rights, our freedoms do have some limitations in public and that's just the way it is because the constitution says 'we the people' not 'me the person'.

This is a community based legal document that does protect individual rights but not at the expense of the community. The constitution protects 'we the people's...general welfare' in it's founding text of the preamble, it is the stated purpose of the constitution and didn't require amendments to add the protection.

Nobody owes them a seat on a plane or at a restaurant and nobody is owed to shop or post content wherever they want if they don't abide by the rules set by the company. They want their cake and eat it, too... or more accurately, they want to deny to bake your cake but demand you bake theirs.

Freedom cuts both ways I guess.... you are free to not wear a mask or get a vaccination and they are free to deny you service so you are free to get your maskless unvaxxed ass outta there you have no right to be served because ignorant and entitled isn't immutable nature protected by the constitution.

Although.... watching some people I'm beginning to wonder if ignorant and entitled is an immutable nature because I doubt they will ever change.

I’m all for No-Fly rules. No vaccination or medical excuse and you can’t board the plane. If you have a legit medical reason then you better mask up the whole flight.

Weird as F Gov. DeSantis tried to outlaw private establishment’s right to require vaccination proof. Cruise ship companies port out of Miami and they sued him. Who wants to go on a cruise without that? It’s nuts. And now he’s losing his showdown with school boards across the state that wanted to mandate masking for their grade school classrooms. He threatened to withhold teachers’ paychecks. What a schmuck. Teachers and Parents rebelled.