Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[NYG]

Also I'm starting think it will be Simmons to a random team not currently mentioned.

[cool93]

If there is CJ+ for Ben (and I don't think Morey would do this), the + should be big, not 3 meh picks.

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[Tomjas]

If there is CJ+ for Ben (and I don't think Morey would do this), the + should be big, not 3 meh picks.

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So it will be Dame, Ben, assorted randoms and no valuable picks?

Why would Dame hang around for that?

Blazers need to accommodate Dame and Simmons is a perfect complementary piece to him BUT if there’s no firepower left in the locker with which to improve the roster then they shouldn’t do the deal

I am saying this as a Sixers fan

(Btw, forget about Dame coming here if that’s your angle)

[DWhiteMamba]

I think for the Blazers it's not just about Dame, it's insurance if he leaves. They can pitch the the fans that they have Simmons as the new star to build around; and even if he's too limited to function as that, he can hopefully be good enough in the regular season to make Portland competitive at least and placate their fans. It's also stealing value, by switching out an aging CJ for a younger guy before his wheels fall off, something they could normally never do and only have a chance to now because Philly is up against a wall.

[Tomjas]

I think for the Blazers it's not just about Dame, it's insurance if he leaves. They can pitch the the fans that they have Simmons as the new star to build around; and even if he's too limited to function as that, he can hopefully be good enough in the regular season to make Portland competitive at least and placate their fans. It's also stealing value, by switching out an aging CJ for a younger guy before his wheels fall off, something they could normally never do and only have a chance to now because Philly is up against a wall.

Simmons is under contract for 4 years so the Sixers are hardly up against the wall

They can keep him and win 50+ games again or trade him

Meanwhile, Simmons spends his days training with Maxey in La while one of the Sixers owners comments on his Instagram feed

[DWhiteMamba]

It's easy to say that now, and I agree you shouldn't rush into this... but if Simmons is willing to go full Kawhi/Harden, how long will it be sustainable. If he turns up and is a malevolent cancer who intentionally goofs off in the games and throws passes out of bounds won't his value tank even more? I'd think so, because the team will suffer as a result and teams will feel like you have no choice but to move him or sit him (and the longer you sit him, the worse it'll be).

[Village Idiot]

The problem is the best option for CJ + picks right now is Ben Simmons and the best option for Simmons + picks right now is Damian Lillard. Until that changes, we won't see a deal.

That has changed. Damian Lillard is pretty clearly not on the market and won't be until the trade deadline at the earliest. Dame is "all-in" on Portland this season.

Either Morey doesn't want what Portland has to offer or Olshey and Lillard don't like what Philadelphia has to offer or a deal would have been made in July. We've heard what Morey supposedly wants for Simmons and obviously no one is willing to pay that or Simmons would have been traded. This is clearly a burning platform type of situation in Philly and as training camp approaches Simmons has to be moved or Moreys looking at yet another James Harden situation where he ends up getting a lot less by waiting until the fire is under him. I would be very surprised if he gets traded to Portland though.

[Tomjas]

The problem is the best option for CJ + picks right now is Ben Simmons and the best option for Simmons + picks right now is Damian Lillard. Until that changes, we won't see a deal.

That has changed. Damian Lillard is pretty clearly not on the market and won't be until the trade deadline at the earliest. Dame is "all-in" on Portland this season.

Either Morey doesn't want what Portland has to offer or Olshey and Lillard don't like what Philadelphia has to offer or a deal would have been made in July. We've heard what Morey supposedly wants for Simmons and obviously no one is willing to pay that or Simmons would have been traded. This is clearly a burning platform type of situation in Philly and as training camp approaches Simmons has to be moved or Moreys looking at yet another James Harden situation where he ends up getting a lot less by waiting until the fire is under him. I would be very surprised if he gets traded to Portland though.

Simmons is under contract for 4 years

It’s nothing like the Harden situation

[jayjaysee]

Dame, Ben, assorted randoms

I don’t think Nurk, Covington, Powell are “randoms” and Portland hasn’t used the MLE or tax MLE yet? Millsap would be a great third forward with Simmons/Covington. And they’d have DJJ salary to try and bring in an overpaid guard like Gordon or maybe send whatever 2nds they have left to Orlando for Ross. Throw in Zeller, Snell, Simons and you have a decent bench behind a great fitting starting line up.

If 3 Portland firsts gets Philly a player they’re willing to make Simmons/CJ available in, I think it’s a clear win for Portland.

[cool93]

If there is CJ+ for Ben (and I don't think Morey would do this), the + should be big, not 3 meh picks.

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So it will be Dame, Ben, assorted randoms and no valuable picks?

Why would Dame hang around for that?

Blazers need to accommodate Dame and Simmons is a perfect complementary piece to him BUT if there’s no firepower left in the locker with which to improve the roster then they shouldn’t do the deal

I am saying this as a Sixers fan

(Btw, forget about Dame coming here if that’s your angle)

I am not saying Blazers should trade CJ + a lot for Ben. I'm just saying Sixers shouldn't if it's CJ + meh value, that's all.

He is an undersized sg, with no defence who'll be 30 at the start of the season and is played 30+ mln. Even if Bens value hit rock bottom he is stil a lot more valuable than that.

[BoogieTime]

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/ben-simmons-trade-odds-update-kings-are-now-the-favorites/

Kings are looked at by odds makers as favorites as of two days ago

I wonder how legit his desire to go to a California franchise is, and if that even extends to the capital of California (I'm sure he knows geography). It is a small plane ride from the LA scene Ive heard he wants to be near.

How real is that California report, and how does it impact teams trading for him? You would think with 4 years remaining on his deal that teams would not pay too much attention to it, but would you give a pick less if you weren't a California team?

[zimpy27]

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/ben-simmons-trade-odds-update-kings-are-now-the-favorites/

Kings are looked at by odds makers as favorites as of two days ago

I wonder how legit his desire to go to a California franchise is, and if that even extends to the capital of California (I'm sure he knows geography). It is a small plane ride from the LA scene Ive heard he wants to be near.

How real is that California report, and how does it impact teams trading for him? You would think with 4 years remaining on his deal that teams would not pay too much attention to it, but would you give a pick less if you weren't a California team?

It is rumoured that kings offered Barnes/Hali which is the best rumoured package for Ben I have seen. So that could tell you that kings are will ing to part with the most so far.

Though I actually prefer Fox being moved for Simmons over Hali/Barnes for the kings

I think he either goes to Spurs or Kings

[DWhiteMamba]

They should take Halliburton and Barnes and run. No way the Spurs are offering that much. Saying "he has 4 years left" only works if he's not willing to be a cancerous toxic asset, knowing he has 4 years left and will get paid to goof off until you trade him. So in a way that works against you too, he has more time to rebuild his value after being a cancer. It sure didn't take Kawhi or Harden long to do so. Utterly disgusting obviously though, but that's the modern NBA. I wish players like Simmons, Harden, Butler and Kawhi nothing but the worst in their professional lives for dishonouring their contracts.

[FlyingArrow]

I wish players like Simmons, Harden, Butler and Kawhi nothing but the worst in their professional lives for dishonouring their contracts.

To be fair, Simmons has done nothing of the sort or even hinted that he would. It's just speculation that he might.

[DWhiteMamba]

I wish players like Simmons, Harden, Butler and Kawhi nothing but the worst in their professional lives for dishonouring their contracts.

To be fair, Simmons has done nothing of the sort or even hinted that he would. It's just speculation that he might.

And the speculation is coming from leaks his team is obviously putting out. If there was no truth to them he'd just say that in the media. Let's not be naive here. I agree there's a difference between merely threatening to do it, and doing it, but he's already ghosting the team as it is (which is probably enough of a contract breach for them to fine him as it is), it's past the mere hypothetical point at t his stage.

[stormi]

They should take Halliburton and Barnes and run. No way the Spurs are offering that much. Saying "he has 4 years left" only works if he's not willing to be a cancerous toxic asset, knowing he has 4 years left and will get paid to goof off until you trade him. So in a way that works against you too, he has more time to rebuild his value after being a cancer. It sure didn't take Kawhi or Harden long to do so. Utterly disgusting obviously though, but that's the modern NBA. I wish players like Simmons, Harden, Butler and Kawhi nothing but the worst in their professional lives for dishonouring their contracts.

The issue is the Spurs don't have a suitable crop of assets to afford Ben Simmons. Pop already said everything was on the table if it came to a trade. That everything though are pieces like Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, Dejounte Murray types. Just not exciting.

[stormi]

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/ben-simmons-trade-odds-update-kings-are-now-the-favorites/

Kings are looked at by odds makers as favorites as of two days ago

I wonder how legit his desire to go to a California franchise is, and if that even extends to the capital of California (I'm sure he knows geography). It is a small plane ride from the LA scene Ive heard he wants to be near.

How real is that California report, and how does it impact teams trading for him? You would think with 4 years remaining on his deal that teams would not pay too much attention to it, but would you give a pick less if you weren't a California team?

It is rumoured that kings offered Barnes/Hali which is the best rumoured package for Ben I have seen. So that could tell you that kings are will ing to part with the most so far.

Though I actually prefer Fox being moved for Simmons over Hali/Barnes for the kings

I think he either goes to Spurs or Kings

It was Hali + Barnes + #9 and it's been since pivoted to Hali + Barnes + 2022 frp. And apparently it's still on the table, Morey just either wants more or wants Fox.

[DWhiteMamba]

They should take Halliburton and Barnes and run. No way the Spurs are offering that much. Saying "he has 4 years left" only works if he's not willing to be a cancerous toxic asset, knowing he has 4 years left and will get paid to goof off until you trade him. So in a way that works against you too, he has more time to rebuild his value after being a cancer. It sure didn't take Kawhi or Harden long to do so. Utterly disgusting obviously though, but that's the modern NBA. I wish players like Simmons, Harden, Butler and Kawhi nothing but the worst in their professional lives for dishonouring their contracts.

The issue is the Spurs don't have a suitable crop of assets to afford Ben Simmons. Pop already said everything was on the table if it came to a trade. That everything though are pieces like Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, Dejounte Murray types. Just not exciting.

I'm not sure if you're just lying, or you genuinely believe this. The Spurs are one of the most close mouthed organisations in the NBA. It is a constant source of complaint from journalists, and it's one reason the Kawhi stuff took so long to get out. The Spurs just smother rumours, they hate drama. They don't even do exit interviews anymore, because they don't see what the upside for them is. Chad Ford famously remarked "I often try to factor in intel to my mocks... except with San Antonio. I've never sourced a San Antonio pick, I've guessed, because they never tell you anything". The idea that Pop said who we would trade in the media is utterly absurd. That's the first thing.

The second thing is it just doesn't make sense to say who you would trade in public. Why would you? So far I've seen exactly one sourced article from someone remotely credible about what assets the Spurs would look to give up. They said the Spurs had been willing to talk about a package built around Dejounte and Lonny Walker. That sounds highly realistic to me, knowing what I do about the Spurs front office. It also matches up exactly with my ideas of the player value on the team (i.e. the 3 most proven and reliable young guys going forward are, in this order, White, Keldon and Poeltl; everyone else is a question mark to some degree still).

Dejounte has actually shown more thus far than Halliburton... however, as the younger and cheaper player who assumedly has more scope to improve Halliburton has more value than him. The Spurs have plenty of interesting young guys; they're just not all on the table I would imagine, because we don't overvalue Simmons like you do.

[zimpy27]

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/ben-simmons-trade-odds-update-kings-are-now-the-favorites/

Kings are looked at by odds makers as favorites as of two days ago

I wonder how legit his desire to go to a California franchise is, and if that even extends to the capital of California (I'm sure he knows geography). It is a small plane ride from the LA scene Ive heard he wants to be near.

How real is that California report, and how does it impact teams trading for him? You would think with 4 years remaining on his deal that teams would not pay too much attention to it, but would you give a pick less if you weren't a California team?

It is rumoured that kings offered Barnes/Hali which is the best rumoured package for Ben I have seen. So that could tell you that kings are will ing to part with the most so far.

Though I actually prefer Fox being moved for Simmons over Hali/Barnes for the kings

I think he either goes to Spurs or Kings

It was Hali + Barnes + #9 and it's been since pivoted to Hali + Barnes + 2022 frp. And apparently it's still on the table, Morey just either wants more or wants Fox.

Yeah I'm guessing he will wait to see how it plays out.

I saw your comment above and I do think if SPurs offered White and Murray then that would be an ideal combo for 76ers.

Spurs also could offer Poeltl. I don't think they'd want to offer Keldon and Vassell since they seem dedicated to finding another Kawhi-type.

[NYG]

It is rumoured that kings offered Barnes/Hali which is the best rumoured package for Ben I have seen. So that could tell you that kings are will ing to part with the most so far.

Though I actually prefer Fox being moved for Simmons over Hali/Barnes for the kings

I think he either goes to Spurs or Kings

It was Hali + Barnes + #9 and it's been since pivoted to Hali + Barnes + 2022 frp. And apparently it's still on the table, Morey just either wants more or wants Fox.

Yeah I'm guessing he will wait to see how it plays out.

I saw your comment above and I do think if SPurs offered White and Murray then that would be an ideal combo for 76ers.

Spurs also could offer Poeltl. I don't think they'd want to offer Keldon and Vassell since they seem dedicated to finding another Kawhi-type.

It needs to involve a third team most likely with a better fitting player of equal value to Simmons going to Philly.