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[Chad34]

I don’t think anyone is excusing KD, nor does he need it (he was incredible and essentially a one man team). I think people honestly believe they a making a creative and funny observation that no one else has made.

The toe on the line has nothing to do with Durant screwing up or a funny observation (what's funny about it?).

MY point is that this was a razor close series that could have gone wither way, despite the Nets having only one of three superstars available. Talent-wise that series shouldn't have been close. It was Durant and not much else. We can argue about why that happened, but it is incontrovertible that the Bucks were the much more talented team.

Disagree, excuses, excuses. They had Harden also, who was just as physically capable as Giannis was in the finals, and we know that Giannis prevailed despite his injury. Bucks will roll the nets this year too. book it

[BucksFanSD]

I don’t think anyone is excusing KD, nor does he need it (he was incredible and essentially a one man team). I think people honestly believe they a making a creative and funny observation that no one else has made.

The toe on the line has nothing to do with Durant screwing up or a funny observation (what's funny about it?).

MY point is that this was a razor close series that could have gone wither way, despite the Nets having only one of three superstars available. Talent-wise that series shouldn't have been close. It was Durant and not much else. We can argue about why that happened, but it is incontrovertible that the Bucks were the much more talented team.

Disagree, excuses, excuses. They had Harden also, who was just as physically capable as Giannis was in the finals, and we know that Giannis prevailed despite his injury. Bucks will roll the nets this year too. book it

I agree with BigO. That series could have gone either way with the later games, and the Nets were definitely hurting after their injuries to the Big 3.

[MickeyDavis]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

The Nets will be watching the Bucks get their rings in October.

[ShootingtheJ]

I don’t think anyone is excusing KD, nor does he need it (he was incredible and essentially a one man team). I think people honestly believe they a making a creative and funny observation that no one else has made.

The toe on the line has nothing to do with Durant screwing up or a funny observation (what's funny about it?).

MY point is that this was a razor close series that could have gone wither way, despite the Nets having only one of three superstars available. Talent-wise that series shouldn't have been close. It was Durant and not much else. We can argue about why that happened, but it is incontrovertible that the Bucks were the much more talented team.

Only 1 of 3 superstars available? They always had 2, don't try to create a narrative.

[RRyder823]

I don’t think anyone is excusing KD, nor does he need it (he was incredible and essentially a one man team). I think people honestly believe they a making a creative and funny observation that no one else has made.

The toe on the line has nothing to do with Durant screwing up or a funny observation (what's funny about it?).

MY point is that this was a razor close series that could have gone wither way, despite the Nets having only one of three superstars available. Talent-wise that series shouldn't have been close. It was Durant and not much else. We can argue about why that happened, but it is incontrovertible that the Bucks were the much more talented team.

Only 1 of 3 superstars available? They always had 2, don't try to create a narrative.

Honestly Hardens game 7 looked like a normal healthy game 7 from Harden if we're useing his past performances as a barometer

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[giannis and 1]

The toe on the line has nothing to do with Durant screwing up or a funny observation (what's funny about it?).

MY point is that this was a razor close series that could have gone wither way, despite the Nets having only one of three superstars available. Talent-wise that series shouldn't have been close. It was Durant and not much else. We can argue about why that happened, but it is incontrovertible that the Bucks were the much more talented team.

Only 1 of 3 superstars available? They always had 2, don't try to create a narrative.

Honestly Hardens game 7 looked like a normal healthy game 7 from Harden if we're useing his past performances as a barometer

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He looked about 50% in his first game back and about 80% by game 7.

[HKPackFan]

LOB did a pod where the Celtics guy came on and part of it was spent discussing Semi. I thought that was somewhat informative as to what we can expect from him. If he succeeds it'll be in a small ball 4 role where his only task on offense is to hit open shots. The Celtics guy seemed to think there's a decent chance Semi can do that for us successfully and that he was asked to do too much in Boston.

I think it'll be really interesting to see who gets the backup 4 minutes between Semi & Thanasis

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If he can occasionally get a guy in the air on a closeout and drive for an easy bucket, even better. But that last part isn't even that important.

I read this "if he could occasionally get in the air..." and all I could see was our beloved Pat flying through the air. And saying.. Ya that's part of our defense.

[HKPackFan]

Just curious, do warrior fans debate beating the rockets down 3-2 after Chris Paul going down to injury?

Or is it not even talked about by anyone? any nba fans giving asterisks because they beat the rockets without CP?

[Dick Tate]

Could someone please frame a poster of Durant’s toe on the line and send it to BigO? He really should have it on his wall.

[crkone]

Ah yes what the Nets needed was more shots for Harden and Irving and less for Durant. Or maybe it is the stellar defense Irving provides.

[ShootingtheJ]

The toe on the line has nothing to do with Durant screwing up or a funny observation (what's funny about it?).

MY point is that this was a razor close series that could have gone wither way, despite the Nets having only one of three superstars available. Talent-wise that series shouldn't have been close. It was Durant and not much else. We can argue about why that happened, but it is incontrovertible that the Bucks were the much more talented team.

Only 1 of 3 superstars available? They always had 2, don't try to create a narrative.

Honestly Hardens game 7 looked like a normal healthy game 7 from Harden if we're useing his past performances as a barometer

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Yeah, people who haven't paid attention to him the last 2 years thought he was really compromised, but that's just how slow he's become. His entire game is foul baiting now.

[buckboy]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

The Nets will be watching the Bucks get their rings in October.

Man, the Brooklyn board is something. If I was a bitter little bitch like most of them, I'd just quit watching basketball and take up origami or something. It's like a collection of teenage girls.

[crowhead76]

Any interest in Ty-Shon Alexander for the 2nd 2 way?

[crowhead76]

6 year roster evolution

2016-2017 Depth Chart
Delly / Payton II
Snell / Brogdon / Terry / Vaughn
Giannis / Middleton
Parker / Teletovic / Beasley / Novak
Monroe / Henson / Maker / Plumlee
Coach: Kidd
GM: Hammond

2017-18 Depth Chart
Bledsoe / Brogdon / Delly / Jennings
Snell / Terry / Brown / Vaughn
Middleton / Muhammad
Giannis / Parker / Teletovic / DJW
Henson / Maker / Zeller
Coach: Kidd
GM: Horst

2018-19 Depth Chart
Bledsoe / Hill / Frazier
Brogdon / Pat / Brown / DDV
Middleton / Snell / Colson
Giannis / Ersan / Mirotic / DJW
Lopez / Maker / Gasol
Coach: Budenholzer
GM: Horst

2019-20 Depth Chart
Bledsoe / Hill / Mason III
Mathews / DDV / Pat
Middleton / Korver / Brown / Thanasis
Giannis / Ersan / DJW / Williams
Lopez / Lopez
Coach: Budenholzer
GM: Horst

2020-21 Depth Chart (NBA Champions)
Holiday / Teague / Bryant
DDV / Forbes / Merrill
Middleton / Pat / Thanasis / Nwora
Giannis / Tucker / Diakite
Lopez / Portis
Coach: Budenholzer
GM: Horst

2021-2022 Depth Chart
Holiday / Hill / Bryant
DDV / Allen / Pat / Kalaitzakis
Middleton / Hood / Nwora
Giannis / Ojeleye / Thanasis
Lopez / Portis / Diakite / Mamu(2-way)
Coach: Budenholzer
GM: Horst

[HKPackFan]

6 year roster evolution

2016-2017 Depth Chart
Delly / Payton II
Snell / Brogdon / Terry / Vaughn
Giannis / Middleton
Parker / Teletovic / Beasley / Novak
Monroe / Henson / Maker / Plumlee
Coach: Kidd
GM: Hammond

2017-18 Depth Chart
Bledsoe / Brogdon / Delly / Jennings
Snell / Terry / Brown / Vaughn
Middleton / Muhammad
Giannis / Parker / Teletovic / DJW
Henson / Maker / Zeller
Coach: Kidd
GM: Horst

2018-19 Depth Chart
Bledsoe / Hill / Frazier
Brogdon / Pat / Brown / DDV
Middleton / Snell / Colson
Giannis / Ersan / Mirotic / DJW
Lopez / Maker / Gasol
Coach: Budenholzer
GM: Horst

2019-20 Depth Chart
Bledsoe / Hill / Mason III
Mathews / DDV / Pat
Middleton / Korver / Brown / Thanasis
Giannis / Ersan / DJW / Williams
Lopez / Lopez
Coach: Budenholzer
GM: Horst

2020-21 Depth Chart (NBA Champions)
Holiday / Teague / Bryant
DDV / Forbes / Merrill
Middleton / Pat / Thanasis / Nwora
Giannis / Tucker / Diakite
Lopez / Portis
Coach: Budenholzer
GM: Horst

2021-2022 Depth Chart
Holiday / Hill / Bryant
DDV / Allen / Pat / Kalaitzakis
Middleton / Hood / Nwora
Giannis / Ojeleye / Thanasis
Lopez / Portis / Diakite / Mamu(2-way)
Coach: Budenholzer
GM: Horst

That's an amazing evolution of a roster.

I remember thinking when we got rid of both DJs I was like.... Hey... That's it... There's no one else I dislike on this roster. Which was literally the first time I could say that.

[Brewhoopfan]

Horst hasn't been perfect (Who has?), but the evidence is strongly in his favor. Helps also that the owners have been willing to spend. I'm really finding it difficult to complain about anything as a Bucks fan right now. Feels strange.

[emunney]

I don’t think anyone is excusing KD, nor does he need it (he was incredible and essentially a one man team). I think people honestly believe they a making a creative and funny observation that no one else has made.

The toe on the line has nothing to do with Durant screwing up or a funny observation (what's funny about it?).

MY point is that this was a razor close series that could have gone wither way, despite the Nets having only one of three superstars available. Talent-wise that series shouldn't have been close. It was Durant and not much else. We can argue about why that happened, but it is incontrovertible that the Bucks were the much more talented team.

It’s why Bud “only” got a three year extension.

He was pretty awful until PJ Tucker chewed him out in game 6 of that series.

Then he started playing to players strengths and doing much of the stuff we’ve been talking about for years here.

I was DONE with Bud after game 5 when Durant killed us on super high ball screens, there was absolutely no excuse for not calling a timeout and changing the coverage after the first one. I still have a visceral reaction to it. It was the most infuriated I've ever been with a coach.

[emunney]

I'd be on board with Kevin Love if he gets bought out. And still wants to play basketball.

[LUKE23]

Horst hasn't been perfect (Who has?), but the evidence is strongly in his favor. Helps also that the owners have been willing to spend. I'm really finding it difficult to complain about anything as a Bucks fan right now. Feels strange.

Yeah, I feel like he's done a pretty solid job. Where I think the Bucks really have done poorly overall since landing Giannis is drafting to add some cheap, cost-controlled rotation players though. Jabari wasn't really their fault (although many wanted Embiid even with the injury), but you have:

2014 (2): Parker, almost out of the league. Both second round picks were terrible.
2015 (17): Vaughn, out of league. Traded Norman Powell who was one of the better second round picks in a while.
2016 (10): Maker, out of league. Both second round picks were legit players, Brogdon and McCaw.
2017 (17): Wilson, out of league
2018 (17): Divencenzo, good pick
2019: no first
2020: no first, Nwora looks like a good pick for where we got him
2021: no first, who knows on the two seconds

I think you would be hard pressed to find any team that has got less out of the draft over an 8-year span than the Bucks. Three top 17 picks are out of the league completely, and their top 2 pick is pretty close. Then you have the debacle this year with trading 31 and not even trying to get a rotation player.

If we are ever complaining about the roster on the margins, look no further than above.

[emunney]

Horst hasn't been perfect (Who has?), but the evidence is strongly in his favor. Helps also that the owners have been willing to spend. I'm really finding it difficult to complain about anything as a Bucks fan right now. Feels strange.

Yeah, I feel like he's done a pretty solid job. Where I think the Bucks really have done poorly overall since landing Giannis is drafting to add some cheap, cost-controlled rotation players though. Jabari wasn't really their fault (although many wanted Embiid even with the injury), but you have:

2014 (2): Parker, almost out of the league. Both second round picks were terrible.
2015 (17): Vaughn, out of league. Traded Norman Powell who was one of the better second round picks in a while.
2016 (10): Maker, out of league. Both second round picks were legit players, Brogdon and McCaw.
2017 (17): Wilson, out of league
2018 (17): Divencenzo, good pick
2019: no first
2020: no first, Nwora looks like a good pick for where we got him
2021: no first, who knows on the two seconds

I think you would be hard pressed to find any team that has got less out of the draft over an 8-year span than the Bucks. Three top 17 picks are out of the league completely, and their top 2 pick is pretty close. Then you have the debacle this year with trading 31 and not even trying to get a rotation player.

If we are ever complaining about the roster on the margins, look no further than above.

We did get a rotation player out of trading 31, though.