Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[stormi]

It is rumoured that kings offered Barnes/Hali which is the best rumoured package for Ben I have seen. So that could tell you that kings are will ing to part with the most so far.

Though I actually prefer Fox being moved for Simmons over Hali/Barnes for the kings

I think he either goes to Spurs or Kings

It was Hali + Barnes + #9 and it's been since pivoted to Hali + Barnes + 2022 frp. And apparently it's still on the table, Morey just either wants more or wants Fox.

Yeah I'm guessing he will wait to see how it plays out.

I saw your comment above and I do think if SPurs offered White and Murray then that would be an ideal combo for 76ers.

Spurs also could offer Poeltl. I don't think they'd want to offer Keldon and Vassell since they seem dedicated to finding another Kawhi-type.

I just don't rate Murray that highly and Derrick White is essentially damaged goods at this point. It reminds me of when we dispersed Jimmy into Josh Richardson, and the pro's were that he was basically a younger version that was a very good guard defender and a more willing/better shooter from 3. He turned out being a mediocre tweener that was 'good' at a lot of things, but not elite at anything.

I'd take the Brogdon + pick deal over this one, and I wouldn't do that one either. The caliber of asset just isn't there for me.

[zimpy27]

It was Hali + Barnes + #9 and it's been since pivoted to Hali + Barnes + 2022 frp. And apparently it's still on the table, Morey just either wants more or wants Fox.

Yeah I'm guessing he will wait to see how it plays out.

I saw your comment above and I do think if SPurs offered White and Murray then that would be an ideal combo for 76ers.

Spurs also could offer Poeltl. I don't think they'd want to offer Keldon and Vassell since they seem dedicated to finding another Kawhi-type.

I just don't rate Murray that highly and Derrick White is essentially damaged goods at this point. It reminds me of when we dispersed Jimmy into Josh Richardson, and the pro's were that he was basically a younger version that was a very good guard defender and a more willing/better shooter from 3. He turned out being a mediocre tweener that was 'good' at a lot of things, but not elite at anything.

I'd take the Brogdon + pick deal over this one, and I wouldn't do that one either. The caliber of asset just isn't there for me.

Derrick and Murray are both two-way guys, one gives you the PG you miss from Simmons and the other gives you a bench leader you missed in the playoffs. Brogdon is an offense PG.

[Tomjas]

https://www.basketballinsiders.com/ben-simmons-trade-odds-update-kings-are-now-the-favorites/

Kings are looked at by odds makers as favorites as of two days ago

I wonder how legit his desire to go to a California franchise is, and if that even extends to the capital of California (I'm sure he knows geography). It is a small plane ride from the LA scene Ive heard he wants to be near.

How real is that California report, and how does it impact teams trading for him? You would think with 4 years remaining on his deal that teams would not pay too much attention to it, but would you give a pick less if you weren't a California team?

Every rumour about Simmons has been proven false so far so I wouldn’t give it any weight at all

Tbh, I question the Kings logic here

If the team wants to improve then move #1 should have been to sack Luke Walton

Don’t give me any nonsense about that costing the Kings money for a payout when you have a capped out roster that can’t defend a chair

Get a new coach (and a defensive coordinator if necessary) and see how the current team responds

If it doesn’t work then trading for Simmons is like putting a finger in a dyke to stop a flood because depending on the cost, the addition of Simmons might see the Kings limp into the playoffs AT BEST

And then what?

The team is capped out and a Simmons trade is going to strip them of draft picks so very little chance of improvement

The smart move is to tank

Trade virtually everyone not named Mitchell and Halliburton for assets to open up future cap space and hoard picks

[stormi]

Yeah I'm guessing he will wait to see how it plays out.

I saw your comment above and I do think if SPurs offered White and Murray then that would be an ideal combo for 76ers.

Spurs also could offer Poeltl. I don't think they'd want to offer Keldon and Vassell since they seem dedicated to finding another Kawhi-type.

I just don't rate Murray that highly and Derrick White is essentially damaged goods at this point. It reminds me of when we dispersed Jimmy into Josh Richardson, and the pro's were that he was basically a younger version that was a very good guard defender and a more willing/better shooter from 3. He turned out being a mediocre tweener that was 'good' at a lot of things, but not elite at anything.

I'd take the Brogdon + pick deal over this one, and I wouldn't do that one either. The caliber of asset just isn't there for me.

Derrick and Murray are both two-way guys, one gives you the PG you miss from Simmons and the other gives you a bench leader you missed in the playoffs. Brogdon is an offense PG.

Mehhh. The way I see it is that Murray, White, Embiid and Harris are not a championship quartet - and our chance of acquiring a co-star for Joel Embiid with Murray and White as opposed to Simmons is much lower.

That's the worst trade type for me. I'd rather get back a younger asset like Haliburton+ or hold out for a one for one deal for Fox. Or give up assets alongside Ben to get an upgrade. If none of those scenario's are plausible I'd keep Ben and acquire a shotcreator to play alongside him and Embiid.

Dispersing talent in the current NBA where quality beats out quantity every time is the wrong way to approach this. Imo.

[DWhiteMamba]

White is our best player. We're not moving him for Simmons. Period. We're not moving Keldon either. Vassell I could maybe see. Maybe. What you don't seem to understand is that the Sixers would be a better team if you switched out Simmons for a healthy White. White fits you much better, and is frankly a better player, he just has less of a reputation among the common fan because he isn't a former #1 pick playing in a sexy big market team. I imagine if White is healthy next season we will be able to stop hearing ridiculous trades involving him.

[cool93]

White is our best player. We're not moving him for Simmons. Period. We're not moving Keldon either. Vassell I could maybe see. Maybe. What you don't seem to understand is that the Sixers would be a better team if you switched out Simmons for a healthy White. White fits you much better, and is frankly a better player, he just has less of a reputation among the common fan because he isn't a former #1 pick playing in a sexy big market team. I imagine if White is healthy next season we will be able to stop hearing ridiculous trades involving him.

Wow, this take is... something.

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[stormi]

White is our best player. We're not moving him for Simmons. Period. We're not moving Keldon either. Vassell I could maybe see. Maybe. What you don't seem to understand is that the Sixers would be a better team if you switched out Simmons for a healthy White. White fits you much better, and is frankly a better player, he just has less of a reputation among the common fan because he isn't a former #1 pick playing in a sexy big market team. I imagine if White is healthy next season we will be able to stop hearing ridiculous trades involving him.

Wow, this take is... something.

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Username to post ratio off the charts

[DroseReturnChi]

White is our best player. We're not moving him for Simmons. Period. We're not moving Keldon either. Vassell I could maybe see. Maybe. What you don't seem to understand is that the Sixers would be a better team if you switched out Simmons for a healthy White. White fits you much better, and is frankly a better player, he just has less of a reputation among the common fan because he isn't a former #1 pick playing in a sexy big market team. I imagine if White is healthy next season we will be able to stop hearing ridiculous trades involving him.

Wow, this take is... something.

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well there are 30 teams and merely being best player on a team doesnt mean much. im not sure morey should do white, vassell, keldon i would do it only for win now just for joel's prime but you tank a lot of potential going from all nba to 3 role players.
at simmons prime all nba, he was pretty much untouchable except someone like luka that tells a lot how far his trade value has fallen.

Indiana's brogdon offer was most realistic but he is an expiring i would have liked turner and picks involved.

[DroseReturnChi]

If there is CJ+ for Ben (and I don't think Morey would do this), the + should be big, not 3 meh picks.

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cj is not even on the same level of ben. ben used to be in the same class as dame if theres a portland trade its only for ben+ dame trade which is why morey is waiting for months for pdx to give up.

if your trading for cj, you are not a top gm period. you dont trade dollars for quarters.

[DWhiteMamba]

The Spurs are not offering Derrick or Keldon for Simmons, so we'll never know. I don't really care about the perception of Simmons value among the average fan, I care about his actual value. White may not have a sexy name or pedigree like Simmons, but he would be a better player on the Sixers and help them win more games. White, when healthy, has become a legit all-star type player. I don't mind that the average fan doesn't know this, I don't expect them to have time to understand the finer points of what is happening on other non-glamour teams, but we're not trading him.

[Tomjas]

The Spurs are not offering Derrick or Keldon for Simmons, so we'll never know. I don't really care about the perception of Simmons value among the average fan, I care about his actual value. White may not have a sexy name or pedigree like Simmons, but he would be a better player on the Sixers and help them win more games. White, when healthy, has become a legit all-star type player. I don't mind that the average fan doesn't know this, I don't expect them to have time to understand the finer points of what is happening on other non-glamour teams, but we're not trading him.

Simmons “accolades” are down to coach votes not fans

Zero chance that White wins more games for the Sixers than Simmons

That has to be one of the more absurd takes in all of the absurd Simmons takes ever

I like White (and Murray) but Pop would trade him for Simmons in a heartbeat

That’s why the Spurs have a dysfunctional roster and have retained all of their picks

Spurs are in on Simmons and you need to get used to it

[DWhiteMamba]

The Spurs are not offering Derrick or Keldon for Simmons, so we'll never know. I don't really care about the perception of Simmons value among the average fan, I care about his actual value. White may not have a sexy name or pedigree like Simmons, but he would be a better player on the Sixers and help them win more games. White, when healthy, has become a legit all-star type player. I don't mind that the average fan doesn't know this, I don't expect them to have time to understand the finer points of what is happening on other non-glamour teams, but we're not trading him.

Simmons “accolades” are down to coach votes not fans

Zero chance that White wins more games for the Sixers than Simmons

That has to be one of the more absurd takes in all of the absurd Simmons takes ever

I like White (and Murray) but Pop would trade him for Simmons in a heartbeat

That’s why the Spurs have a dysfunctional roster and have retained all of their picks

Spurs are in on Simmons and you need to get used to it

Leaving aside Ben Simmons "accolades" (which btw aren't that impressive for the guy his fans are hyping him up to be in terms of value), it's meaningless to compare them to White. White only became a comparable player to Simmons in the 2020 bubble, when he had his coming out party. Pop finally let him start again, which he should have been doing all along, and White went nuts; showcasing his improved shooting and incredible talent. There are no accolades of note in the bubble, so of course he didn't get any, and there aren't any accolades for 2021 because he got hurt, missed half the season, and needed to play himself back into shape.

It's fine if you don't believe in White. If White's healthy next year you'll get the chance to be proven wrong. I disagree the Spurs, or Pop who isn't the GM btw, would trade White for Simmons. I don't think they would, and the only credible rumour I've seen about what the Spurs offered was a package based around Dejounte and Walker. The credible reports about what Morey was asking for from every team are well known, and make him seem like the delusional one not the Spurs for offering only Dejounte and Walker.

[Tomjas]

The Spurs are not offering Derrick or Keldon for Simmons, so we'll never know. I don't really care about the perception of Simmons value among the average fan, I care about his actual value. White may not have a sexy name or pedigree like Simmons, but he would be a better player on the Sixers and help them win more games. White, when healthy, has become a legit all-star type player. I don't mind that the average fan doesn't know this, I don't expect them to have time to understand the finer points of what is happening on other non-glamour teams, but we're not trading him.

Simmons “accolades” are down to coach votes not fans

Zero chance that White wins more games for the Sixers than Simmons

That has to be one of the more absurd takes in all of the absurd Simmons takes ever

I like White (and Murray) but Pop would trade him for Simmons in a heartbeat

That’s why the Spurs have a dysfunctional roster and have retained all of their picks

Spurs are in on Simmons and you need to get used to it

Leaving aside Ben Simmons "accolades" (which btw aren't that impressive for the guy his fans are hyping him up to be in terms of value), it's meaningless to compare them to White. White only became a comparable player to Simmons in the 2020 bubble, when he had his coming out party. Pop finally let him start again, which he should have been doing all along, and White went nuts; showcasing his improved shooting and incredible talent. There are no accolades of note in the bubble, so of course he didn't get any, and there aren't any accolades for 2021 because he got hurt, missed half the season, and needed to play himself back into shape.

It's fine if you don't believe in White. If White's healthy next year you'll get the chance to be proven wrong. I disagree the Spurs, or Pop who isn't the GM btw, would trade White for Simmons. I don't think they would, and the only credible rumour I've seen about what the Spurs offered was a package based around Dejounte and Walker. The credible reports about what Morey was asking for from every team are well known, and make him seem like the delusional one not the Spurs for offering only Dejounte and Walker.

There’s NO credible reports surrounding Simmons as he doesn’t speak to media and all reports about him this off season have been proven false

I have nothing against White as he’s a very good player

[DWhiteMamba]

If you don't want a trade, and all the media is saying you do, it's super easy to release a statement saying you don't want a trade. He has not done this, and the reason is pretty obvious. Every credible reporter is telling us what is obvious anyway; Simmons wants out of there.

[Tomjas]

If you don't want a trade, and all the media is saying you do, it's super easy to release a statement saying you don't want a trade. He has not done this, and the reason is pretty obvious. Every credible reporter is telling us what is obvious anyway; Simmons wants out of there.

It’s Simmons

There’s no credible report because he doesn’t speak to the media about anything

He’s another Kawhi

The only “report” is from some guy from San Francisco with 2000 followers

Basically a nobody

Every single Sixers beat reporter has denied it because they can’t get to Ben or anyone else around him and the only evidence they have is from other Sixers players

They’re all denying this “report”

Get this through your head - HE DOESN’T SPEAK TO THE MEDIA

We will find out in due time

[DWhiteMamba]

Kawhi was leaking stuff, and then not saying aything, because he did indeed want a trade. That comparison is not a favourable one to you. I am afraid you are seeing what you want to see.

[JRoy]

If there is CJ+ for Ben (and I don't think Morey would do this), the + should be big, not 3 meh picks.

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cj is not even on the same level of ben. ben used to be in the same class as dame if theres a portland trade its only for ben+ dame trade which is why morey is waiting for months for pdx to give up.

if your trading for cj, you are not a top gm period. you dont trade dollars for quarters.

Lillard has carried his team in the playoffs year after year.

Not crapped his pants like Young Socialite rocking that 40% FT.

I like BS but that’s not his value.

[GutUNC]

In fairness, we are a little too close to the matter. We should probably listen to the Spurs fan who says Derrick White is better then Ben Simmons so we can limit our bias.

[Tomjas]

If there is CJ+ for Ben (and I don't think Morey would do this), the + should be big, not 3 meh picks.

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cj is not even on the same level of ben. ben used to be in the same class as dame if theres a portland trade its only for ben+ dame trade which is why morey is waiting for months for pdx to give up.

if your trading for cj, you are not a top gm period. you dont trade dollars for quarters.

Lillard has carried his team in the playoffs year after year.

Not crapped his pants like Young Socialite rocking that 40% FT.

I like BS but that’s not his value.

Nobody is saying that Ben is worth Dame but okay if you need that off your chest

[JRoy]

In fairness, we are a little too close to the matter. We should probably listen to the Spurs fan who says Derrick White is better then Ben Simmons so we can limit our bias.

The user with Derrick White in his username?