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[kobe_vs_jordan]

Think the idea of an agent who get paid by commission isn't taken phone calls so his client can sign a vet min contract is far fetched. Noel fired Paul in December. He waits till he being asked to pay owed commission to remember Paul didn't return team phone calls? Think the truth probably somewhere in the middle. Calls probably weren't returned because they was below Noel liking.

Well they literally could not be any lower than what he ended up having to take, which was a minimum deal so.... that doesn't add up either

Noel has to be willing to accept deals when presented. If he wasn't , money could had dried up and he had to sign for the min.

[pacers33granger]

I wouldn't take Brett Brown being named as indicative of much of anything. It's not a quote and is rather vague in all senses. If they had a sworn statement, different ballgame. But there's zero indication at this point that Brown would corroborate it, nor even that he would have actual knowledge of whether or not the front office spoke to Paul.


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[jbk1234]

And the NBPA would have a HEAVY interest in investigating these types of claims.

Would they? When was the last time the type of player who would be the one getting sacrificed in these situations held a position of authority? It has not been my observation that unions, in general, prioritize the needs of their newer members or lowest earners.

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You don’t think the Players Association want their players to make more money?

Which players? I mean that's the issue here. Klutch is a powerful agency that gets some players paid a lot. I don't think it's a given that the union would be all that eager to take on a player like Noel's complaint against it.

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[pacers33granger]

Would they? When was the last time the type of player who would be the one getting sacrificed in these situations held a position of authority? It has not been my observation that unions, in general, prioritize the needs of their newer members or lowest earners.

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You don’t think the Players Association want their players to make more money?

Which players? I mean that's the issue here. Klutch is a powerful agency that gets some players paid a lot. I don't think it's a given that the union would be all that eager to take on a player like Noel's complaint against it.

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The union controls agent licensing. And the union has a duty to its members to investigate complaints. They can't just ignore them. Noel's allegations would violate multiple pieces of the standards of conduct for agents.

[patman66]

You don’t think the Players Association want their players to make more money?

Which players? I mean that's the issue here. Klutch is a powerful agency that gets some players paid a lot. I don't think it's a given that the union would be all that eager to take on a player like Noel's complaint against it.

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The union controls agent licensing. And the union has a duty to its members to investigate complaints. They can't just ignore them. Noel's allegations would violate multiple pieces of the standards of conduct for agents.

Agreed, or the union themselves would find themselves sued,

[HartfordWhalers]

I like Nance for Djj and a 1st.

[Texas Chuck]

I like Nance for Djj and a 1st.

Cleveland and Chicago today proving over-complicating good simple ideas like that rarely make them better.

[bondom34]

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[MoneyTalks41890]

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Seems like he should be heading towards retirement. Very solid career as a floor stretcher, if so.

[HartfordWhalers]

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Seems like he should be heading towards retirement. Very solid career as a floor stretcher, if so.

I assumed he was for an offseason trade matching in case a deal (with Hill) would come through.

[shangrila]

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Seems like he should be heading towards retirement. Very solid career as a floor stretcher, if so.

Top guy too.

He should be proud. Not a HoF career obviously but IIRC he was undrafted, not a lot of those guys that turn out to have any kind of career at all.

[babyjax13]

Per wiretap, cavs and Love working on a buyout. I wonder where he'd sign. The Lakers could use some spacing and there is the LeBron connection, Portland still has most of their TPMLE available ...

[SO_MONEY]

Per wiretap, cavs and Love working on a buyout. I wonder where he'd sign. The Lakers could use some spacing and there is the LeBron connection, Portland still has most of their TPMLE available ...

He played at UCLA with Westbrook as well.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Per wiretap, cavs and Love working on a buyout. I wonder where he'd sign. The Lakers could use some spacing and there is the LeBron connection, Portland still has most of their TPMLE available ...

He played at UCLA with Westbrook as well.

People have been trying to reunite Russ and Love for a long time it would be wild if it happened with LAL

[parsnips33]

Per wiretap, cavs and Love working on a buyout. I wonder where he'd sign. The Lakers could use some spacing and there is the LeBron connection, Portland still has most of their TPMLE available ...

Him and Klay grew up together! And he could start!

But he'll probably go to the Lakers

[HornetJail]

Per wiretap, cavs and Love working on a buyout. I wonder where he'd sign. The Lakers could use some spacing and there is the LeBron connection, Portland still has most of their TPMLE available ...

Him and Klay grew up together! And he could start!

But he'll probably go to the Lakers

you do not want Kevin Love starting on the Warriors lol

[pacers33granger]

Love is going to prove Chuck's point yet again that buyout guys don't matter. The dude got called out by Jerry Colangelo for being out of shape and unable to do literally anything just a few months back. He's useless.

[pacers33granger]

I hate to keep harping on this and I feel like a shill for Rich Paul, but the reporting on this is just so bad and Fischer needs to be called out. The dude made a bit of a name for himself during free agency. This brand of "journalism" is all sorts of awful though and should hurt his reputation imo. Another in a line of people rushing to dump on Paul without actually stopping to think about what they're putting out there, which is insane considering there's plenty of legit stuff to use and these things are all easily accessible with a quick Google search.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947770-how-nerlens-noel-rich-paul-lawsuit-could-change-nba-agent-landscape

Generally some meh writing that doesn't offer much and sprinkles in some quotes that mean nothing but have already gotten run (e.g. that Houston was interested in Noel, but a source said it "never got very far").

The big issue is this part though:

Maybe the only impact here is a little dent in Paul's armor. Noel was neither the first nor last client Klutch advised to turn down a richer offer than one that would later come. Not all press is good press when it comes to securing future players.

Paul's then-client, Shabazz Muhammad, declined a four-year, $40 million offer from the Wolves, which never materialized again. He urged Kentavious Caldwell-Pope to turn down Detroit's five-year, $80 million extension. But Eric Bledsoe and Tristan Thompson each secured massive contracts after their loud holdouts.

Paul was not Shabazz's agent when he declined that deal. His agent I believe was Pelinka. Paul was hired in April 2017 to handle his free agency the summer following the rejection of the extension in October of 2016.

Further, the first iteration of this article had the following line (you can see it posted on Reddit):

Marcus Morris fired Paul after they declined a three-year, $41 million offer from the Clippers in free agency.

This line has been removed, likely because it assigns blame to Paul for something Morris is on record saying was not Paul's fault at all.

Absolute junk writing by Fischer.

[Texas Chuck]

Love is going to prove Chuck's point yet again that buyout guys don't matter. The dude got called out by Jerry Colangelo for being out of shape and unable to do literally anything just a few months back. He's useless.

I first want to state clearly that unless he gives up way more money than is reasonable to expect the Cavs should absolutely positively 100% not buy him out this year. If you decide he's not a guy you want influencing your other players, fine pay him to stay away, but do not put a giant dead lump of salary on your books for 2 years(assumes they aren't so dumb as to stretch him). Detroit knew last year that they weren't going to try and win this year, but the Cavs can't afford to take 2 more years off from winning particularly with the contracts they handed out this off-season. Keep him as possible salary matching until you know he can't be.

But if he is bought out, yeah this board will all freak out when he signs with the Lakers, Clippers, or Nets and complain about honoring contracts and ruining the league and he might play 40 games in 2 years and maybe 75 playoff minutes(but probably less). I'm not convinced he's ever going to be physically right and he definitely doesn't seem motivated to put his career back on track. Maybe he's like Blake and suddenly will care if he's on a winning team, but if you aren't willing to work to be able to play for your country....

It's funny how when we have players who are still good at basketball, but just significantly overpaid this board largely talks about them as useless, but we get washed players with big names signing for cheap with big market teams and we suddenly think they are all-stars again. It's just absolutely wild to me the disconnect.

[pacers33granger]

Love is going to prove Chuck's point yet again that buyout guys don't matter. The dude got called out by Jerry Colangelo for being out of shape and unable to do literally anything just a few months back. He's useless.

I first want to state clearly that unless he gives up way more money than is reasonable to expect the Cavs should absolutely positively 100% not buy him out this year. If you decide he's not a guy you want influencing your other players, fine pay him to stay away, but do not put a giant dead lump of salary on your books for 2 years(assumes they aren't so dumb as to stretch him). Detroit knew last year that they weren't going to try and win this year, but the Cavs can't afford to take 2 more years off from winning particularly with the contracts they handed out this off-season. Keep him as possible salary matching until you know he can't be.

But if he is bought out, yeah this board will all freak out when he signs with the Lakers, Clippers, or Nets and complain about honoring contracts and ruining the league and he might play 40 games in 2 years and maybe 75 playoff minutes(but probably less). I'm not convinced he's ever going to be physically right and he definitely doesn't seem motivated to put his career back on track. Maybe he's like Blake and suddenly will care if he's on a winning team, but if you aren't willing to work to be able to play for your country....

It's funny how when we have players who are still good at basketball, but just significantly overpaid this board largely talks about them as useless, but we get washed players with big names signing for cheap with big market teams and we suddenly think they are all-stars again. It's just absolutely wild to me the disconnect.

Agreed. If he's not willing to give up Blake-level money, then let him sit. Only concern I would have is that I would not put it past him to use mental health to try putting the Cavs in a bad light.

Everyone piled on Colangelo for calling out a team USA player, but missed the point that Love lobbied to make the team and wasted everyone's time in the process. Maybe Colangelo should have couched it in better terms and he definitely should have just said no from the get go, but that whole debacle was on Love.

I would expect some fans to call foul if Deandre Jordan got bought out and went to the Lakers, despite everyone knowing he is unplayable. It won't change as long as it's a name, though I suppose there may be no hysterics if it was IT since he isn't attached to a big deal right now.