TMZ: Bodycam footage released from Jaxon Hayes arrest

[DaPessimist]

I'm assuming he was drunk by the way he was acting. He disobeyed several clear orders from the officers, then resisted arrest. Sounds he like he even threatened the officers during the arrest.

For the people who think the force used was excessive, I guess there can always be a discussion around how much force is acceptable... but I'd like to see the amount of force you would use to arrest a 7' 240lb man.

[JimmyPlopper]

I'm assuming he was drunk by the way he was acting. He disobeyed several clear orders from the officers, then resisted arrest. Sounds he like he even threatened the officers during the arrest.

For the people who think the force used was excessive, I guess there can always be a discussion around how much force is acceptable... but I'd like to see the amount of force you would use to arrest a 7' 240lb man.

Its not a law to listen to what police officers say. The police are our servants. We give them some power to protect us but not violate

[AingesBurner]

Cops need to de-escalate when they turn up to heated situations. That is their responsibility and one that we say neglected to do here. Lucky for them, they don't need to pay the price and you will have a part of the community who actually backs that behavior. Cowardice all around

Bro it sounds like you know what you are doing, go be a cop!

Wouldn't be a bad occupation for a level headed individual but its too late for me to change careers now. My cousin is a detective but was formerly a beat cop. I know what its about.

My cousin is a lawyer, I guess I now know how to be a lawyer. I was a Military cop so I had to be trained on domestics, they are extremely difficult AND besides pulling someone over is the most dangerous thing a cop can do. So much emotion that's running high, it causes people to do dumb things.

I will tell you all this, its the same advice I received in training, its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, think about that the next time you get pulled over or arrested, go out alive instead of dead, what do you think your families would prefer?

[AingesBurner]

I'm assuming he was drunk by the way he was acting. He disobeyed several clear orders from the officers, then resisted arrest. Sounds he like he even threatened the officers during the arrest.

For the people who think the force used was excessive, I guess there can always be a discussion around how much force is acceptable... but I'd like to see the amount of force you would use to arrest a 7' 240lb man.

Its not a law to listen to what police officers say. The police are our servants. We give them some power to protect us but not violate

If you are a suspect you do. Not doing what they say is literally resisting arrest or detainment.

[DaPessimist]

I'm assuming he was drunk by the way he was acting. He disobeyed several clear orders from the officers, then resisted arrest. Sounds he like he even threatened the officers during the arrest.

For the people who think the force used was excessive, I guess there can always be a discussion around how much force is acceptable... but I'd like to see the amount of force you would use to arrest a 7' 240lb man.

Its not a law to listen to what police officers say. The police are our servants. We give them some power to protect us but not violate

Obstructing justice is a crime in most States. The police were called to this residence, and Hayes was directly interfering with the investigation. Under this circumstance, Hayes ignoring the direction of the officers not to enter the home was indeed a criminal offense.

[JimmyPlopper]

Bro it sounds like you know what you are doing, go be a cop!

Wouldn't be a bad occupation for a level headed individual but its too late for me to change careers now. My cousin is a detective but was formerly a beat cop. I know what its about.

My cousin is a lawyer, I guess I now know how to be a lawyer. I was a Military cop so I had to be trained on domestics, they are extremely difficult AND besides pulling someone over is the most dangerous thing a cop can do. So much emotion that's running high, it causes people to do dumb things.

I will tell you all this, its the same advice I received in training, its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, think about that the next time you get pulled over or arrested, go out alive instead of dead, what do you think your families would prefer?

Thats why the police shouldn't be afraid to be compassionate in front of others, instead of trying to be the big man, exerting force, is that what you are saying? Because I agree.

If you're saying it's better to be judged as a heavy handed policeman to avoid any self harm from a suspect, that is pure cowardice, IMO

[jazzed77]

Cops need to de-escalate when they turn up to heated situations. That is their responsibility and one that we say neglected to do here. Lucky for them, they don't need to pay the price and you will have a part of the community who actually backs that behavior. Cowardice all around

Bro it sounds like you know what you are doing, go be a cop!

Wouldn't be a bad occupation for a level headed individual but its too late for me to change careers now. My cousin is a detective but was formerly a beat cop. I know what its about.

Sounds like your cousin knows what it's about...not necessarily you

[FinnTheHuman]

What's your point? The positive of probable cause (protecting victims) is way bigger than the negative. If you don't want to be caught with drugs in your house, don't have it there.

Your argument is that someone doing something illegal could be caught... Not convincing.

Nope, you don't get the situation well enough then, there's a lot of room for abuse and people can frame other people all kinds of stuff, that's why it's a slippery slope. But as I said in my previous post, I'm making an educated guess that it's probably not possible to charge somebody with illegal activity not connected to the activity which triggered the police to enter the private property without a warrant.

Well I agree there's potential for abuse, situations like that are fairly rare. In regards to your hypothetical situation the person with the drugs would 100% be able to be charged for them. A warrant would be required for anything seized beyond the scope of plain view while they made sure there was no danger present.

Yea, but let's imagine the drugs were in this girl's house and the cops found them: how do you prove whose drugs those are? Are those drugs automatically yours because you let somebody bring them into your house and put them on the table? What if she says the drugs belong to Hayes, and he claims otherwise? I think it's dumb AF if the law is you can actually get charged for drugs found in the private property without a warrant, I honestly don't believe you that a person can get convicted for possession based on that evidence, so I don't see why would anybody get charged for that.

[JimmyPlopper]

Bro it sounds like you know what you are doing, go be a cop!

Wouldn't be a bad occupation for a level headed individual but its too late for me to change careers now. My cousin is a detective but was formerly a beat cop. I know what its about.

Sounds like your cousin knows what it's about...not necessarily you

Its amazing the things you can learn second hand

[AingesBurner]

Wouldn't be a bad occupation for a level headed individual but its too late for me to change careers now. My cousin is a detective but was formerly a beat cop. I know what its about.

My cousin is a lawyer, I guess I now know how to be a lawyer. I was a Military cop so I had to be trained on domestics, they are extremely difficult AND besides pulling someone over is the most dangerous thing a cop can do. So much emotion that's running high, it causes people to do dumb things.

I will tell you all this, its the same advice I received in training, its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, think about that the next time you get pulled over or arrested, go out alive instead of dead, what do you think your families would prefer?

Thats why the police shouldn't be afraid to be compassionate in front of others, instead of trying to be the big man, exerting force, is that what you are saying? Because I agree.

If you're saying it's better to be judged as a heavy handed policeman to avoid any self harm from a suspect, that is pure cowardice, IMO

You have to be both, I was trained by one of my Sergeants to be a pussy(his words not mine) at first to calm them down and if that doesn't work, go to force.

[Scalabrine]

He says he knows his rights, which he clearly doesn't. This isn't even his house.

He said "I know my laws".

[MrGoat]

No one looks good in that video. Hayes came off as a complete clown. The LAPD showed why they have a bad reputation, terrible job of de-escalation there.

Do you know how to de-escalate a drunk person with everything to lose? They tried de-escalating and his friend was at first trying to help as well.

Yeah, I've been a bouncer before. I know a thing or two about de-escalation, and that was not a good example of it.

[AingesBurner]

No one looks good in that video. Hayes came off as a complete clown. The LAPD showed why they have a bad reputation, terrible job of de-escalation there.

Do you know how to de-escalate a drunk person with everything to lose? They tried de-escalating and his friend was at first trying to help as well.

Yeah, I've been a bouncer before. I know a thing or two about de-escalation, and that was not a good example of it.

Different situations in some senses, you're not a cop so not necessarily an authority figure of the law and you can't take any one to jail, in my opinion it could be easier at times and harder in other times, it all depends on the persons mindset. With the current **** the Police attitude, it's probably harder as a cop.

[lakerz12]

It seems like Hayes goes out of his way to be confrontational with the police officers.

If he had just been calm and respectful, none of this would have happened, imo.

He clearly continues to advance physically toward the officers and use confrontational language. What did he think was going to happen?

Everyone would get arrested if they did that.

[FreeThrowLine]

The only person that should have been tazed is the annoying girl. There’s seriously few things more annoying than the yelling of girls during any incident

I also can’t believe the majority think the cops are in hand right here, there was never a need to take it that far

[LikeABosh]

I'm assuming he was drunk by the way he was acting. He disobeyed several clear orders from the officers, then resisted arrest. Sounds he like he even threatened the officers during the arrest.

For the people who think the force used was excessive, I guess there can always be a discussion around how much force is acceptable... but I'd like to see the amount of force you would use to arrest a 7' 240lb man.

Its not a law to listen to what police officers say. The police are our servants. We give them some power to protect us but not violate

Except it literally is. This information is readily available on your state legislature's website. Stop spreading this nonsense, you're only gonna get someone in bigger trouble

From California:

It is unlawful to willfully fail or refuse to comply with a lawful order, signal, or direction of a peace officer

From my state:

Whoever, without reasonable excuse, refuses or fails, upon command, to aid any person known by the person to be a peace officer is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.

[lakerz12]

The only person that should have been tazed is the annoying girl. There’s seriously few things more annoying than the yelling of girls during any incident

I also can’t believe the majority think the cops are in hand right here, there was never a need to take it that far

Take it what far?

"Hayes eventually attempted to retreat inside ... but officers blocked his path. Police attempted to cuff Hayes ... and that's when the situation turned violent.

Hayes appears to forcefully shove an officer ... sending him slamming into an exterior wall of the home. Police later said the officer was injured during the incident ... and required medical treatment."

What do you want the officers to do it at this point?

How do they take it less far?

Even his friend was telling Jaxon to "stop".

Did they beat Hayes up? No. Did they start the confrontation with him? No.

Hayes instigated the entire thing. It's almost like he wanted it to happen.

[JB2]

Who knows what happened before the footage started but clearly he was trying to prevent them from going into the house. They told him he was being detained (not arrested) so they could get him to sit the F down and wait for them to go inside and respond to a female who said something bad was going on... accurate or not, who knows. Then he tried to physically prevent them from putting on the cuffs and going inside which ends in full force shoving a cop (much smaller btw) hard into a wall. Drama unfolds. The whole time he is fighting them off, making threats, and refusing oblige. He deserves public ridicule.

You don't have to believe police are always right or wrong to see what happened in this particular situation. Hayes was wasted, out of control, and technically assaulted a cop. It's a bad look for him. And while I'm rarely on the side of police were right but this is one of those times. If it was my daughter feeling uncomfortable or scared with a situation, I wouldn't want the cops standing around and trying to explain to a drunk 22 year old who "knows his laws" why they have the right to go inside.

[Maxthirty]

He says he knows his rights, which he clearly doesn't. This isn't even his house.

He said "I know my laws".

Well that changes everything. Thanks for pointing that out.

[FreeThrowLine]

The only person that should have been tazed is the annoying girl. There’s seriously few things more annoying than the yelling of girls during any incident

I also can’t believe the majority think the cops are in hand right here, there was never a need to take it that far

Take it what far?

"Hayes eventually attempted to retreat inside ... but officers blocked his path. Police attempted to cuff Hayes ... and that's when the situation turned violent.

Hayes appears to forcefully shove an officer ... sending him slamming into an exterior wall of the home. Police later said the officer was injured during the incident ... and required medical treatment."

What do you want the officers to do it at this point?

How do they take it less far?

Even his friend was telling Jaxon to "stop".

Did they beat Hayes up? No. Did they start the confrontation with him? No.

Hayes instigated the entire thing. It's almost like he wanted it to happen.

They take it less far by not putting their hands on him.

Drunk people afraid of the cops asking a drunk friend to stop sticking up for themselves doesn’t mean he was in the wrong, it just means they didn’t want their friend to be the next person to die at the hands of overly aggressive law enforcement

I watched the footage, why do we need quotes? There was no reason to put their hands on him or cuff him. You’re walking into a situation with no proof, your job is to investigate, him walking inside doesn’t stop you from doing that.

The officer was injured? Are you serious? Did you see what they were doing to him? I’m so glad I don’t live in the US, you guys are so used to this overly aggressive police that you have no problem when they go overboard