IIRC that's only if we're over the apron. We're not.Harper4Ferry? wrote:I believe we are now hard capped after receiving a player in S&T
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IIRC that's only if we're over the apron. We're not.Harper4Ferry? wrote:I believe we are now hard capped after receiving a player in S&T
toooskies wrote:I'm not sure what the plan is with Love. I'm not sure there is a plan.
MrSparkle wrote:I don't see a scenario here or there where Lauri becomes the "7-pick we thought he could be." If you remove his 3P ability, he's worse than Felicio by a mile.
12/2/2022
I like the quote- it makes me chuckle. And it was/is pretty much true.
Wisedude wrote:JonFromVA wrote:PaKii94 wrote:?s=20
Congrats y'all got a steal guys! I wanted the bulls to pair Jarrett Allen next to Lauri and I wanted them to draft Garland over Coby. Alas, I'll have to watch it play out on your team. Should be fun to see how it goes.
Lauri was my second favorite player from the bulls after Jimmy Butler. He flashed a lot of potential but never really got to take off with the tanking and poor PG situation we had throughout Lauri's rookie contract.
Here is some reading material to give y'all a backgtound of his career so far. I think he can get back to what I was predicting back then.
This is a breakdown of year 1 & 2 and using that to predict year 3: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=78164481#p78164481
Unfortunately, worst case scenario happened in year 3. He got injured early on and became an afterthought in the primitive Boylen offense. He still showed some flashes though:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=82217073#p82217073
Last year (year 4), he was almost back on track! He was averaging 23/8 p36 @66.5TS% as a 4th option starting PF. Covid/injuries issues again derailed the season.
Unfortunately when he came back, he was put out of position at C for a few games (Lauri can't be a primary rim protector, but will be great next to JA and Mobley), then bulls traded for Vuc and benched Lauri.
Lauri still averaged 16.5/7.6 p36 @ 62TS% but he was a complete afterthought going from 4th option to like 8th option.
I can easily see Lauri back at 20/8 @ 60-65%TS if he is a focal point for you guys. I'm excited to see it.
Thanks for the report. I've got a lot to absorb before I'll come to an opinion other than a few quick takes (haha):
1) Nance is great and will be missed, but we can't trust him to stay healthy, play big minutes, or start;
2) We need reliable 3pt shooting and Lauri is more reliable than Larry;
3) Lauri's contract is well above MLE level, but that's basically what it takes, and I'm not too concerned;
4) Lauri's age and contract length fits better with our core;
5) Lauri may be coming off the bench, but if so, he will have a bigger role and will still likely be paired with either Allen or Mobley at C and Rubio at PG;
otoh, what does this do for our wing search and do we still have the full MLE to work with? Or are we basically done short of dipping in to the luxury tax?
Nance is NOT great. If Nance was a great player he would not have been traded. Nance never made the All-Star team either. He is a limited offensive player, below average shooter. Good guy, good teammate, good defender, get all that but not a great player.
Lauri's wing span could be 8'6" and I'd still have grave concerns about him defensively.JonFromVA wrote:Wisedude wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
Thanks for the report. I've got a lot to absorb before I'll come to an opinion other than a few quick takes (haha):
1) Nance is great and will be missed, but we can't trust him to stay healthy, play big minutes, or start;
2) We need reliable 3pt shooting and Lauri is more reliable than Larry;
3) Lauri's contract is well above MLE level, but that's basically what it takes, and I'm not too concerned;
4) Lauri's age and contract length fits better with our core;
5) Lauri may be coming off the bench, but if so, he will have a bigger role and will still likely be paired with either Allen or Mobley at C and Rubio at PG;
otoh, what does this do for our wing search and do we still have the full MLE to work with? Or are we basically done short of dipping in to the luxury tax?
Nance is NOT great. If Nance was a great player he would not have been traded. Nance never made the All-Star team either. He is a limited offensive player, below average shooter. Good guy, good teammate, good defender, get all that but not a great player.
lol, I obviously didn't mean great in the absolute sense ... Larry was great for the Cavs at his price and for everything he brought.
Like I said, I have a lot more home work to do on Markennan, but he was putting up 19 & 9 as a 21 year old. I'm not ready to say he's a great pickup, but great teams can be built by snagging undervalued players coming off their rookie contract.
For some players things don't really get interesting until they're 25yrs old and up.
In terms of defensive upside, unfortunately his wingspan is just 6'11" .vs. Nance at 7'1.5".
jbk1234 wrote:I don't think the Cavs are good enough defensively to prioritize spacing above all else this way.
Also, our softness just increased to Charmin levels.
I think we just traded our best win-now player for another we'll-see young guy. I suspect the second best offer for Lauri wasn't anywhere near this good, in terms of dollars or trade compensation.
I'm not sure Lauri is better than Hartenstein.
I don't think he's great, but he had the best advanced stats on the team over the last two years and was clearly missed when he was out (which was admittedly too often). Due to his versatility, he balanced an imbalanced roster in a way that I don't see Lauri doing.Wisedude wrote:JonFromVA wrote:PaKii94 wrote:?s=20
Congrats y'all got a steal guys! I wanted the bulls to pair Jarrett Allen next to Lauri and I wanted them to draft Garland over Coby. Alas, I'll have to watch it play out on your team. Should be fun to see how it goes.
Lauri was my second favorite player from the bulls after Jimmy Butler. He flashed a lot of potential but never really got to take off with the tanking and poor PG situation we had throughout Lauri's rookie contract.
Here is some reading material to give y'all a backgtound of his career so far. I think he can get back to what I was predicting back then.
This is a breakdown of year 1 & 2 and using that to predict year 3: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=78164481#p78164481
Unfortunately, worst case scenario happened in year 3. He got injured early on and became an afterthought in the primitive Boylen offense. He still showed some flashes though:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=82217073#p82217073
Last year (year 4), he was almost back on track! He was averaging 23/8 p36 @66.5TS% as a 4th option starting PF. Covid/injuries issues again derailed the season.
Unfortunately when he came back, he was put out of position at C for a few games (Lauri can't be a primary rim protector, but will be great next to JA and Mobley), then bulls traded for Vuc and benched Lauri.
Lauri still averaged 16.5/7.6 p36 @ 62TS% but he was a complete afterthought going from 4th option to like 8th option.
I can easily see Lauri back at 20/8 @ 60-65%TS if he is a focal point for you guys. I'm excited to see it.
Thanks for the report. I've got a lot to absorb before I'll come to an opinion other than a few quick takes (haha):
1) Nance is great and will be missed, but we can't trust him to stay healthy, play big minutes, or start;
2) We need reliable 3pt shooting and Lauri is more reliable than Larry;
3) Lauri's contract is well above MLE level, but that's basically what it takes, and I'm not too concerned;
4) Lauri's age and contract length fits better with our core;
5) Lauri may be coming off the bench, but if so, he will have a bigger role and will still likely be paired with either Allen or Mobley at C and Rubio at PG;
otoh, what does this do for our wing search and do we still have the full MLE to work with? Or are we basically done short of dipping in to the luxury tax?
Nance is NOT great. If Nance was a great player he would not have been traded. Nance never made the All-Star team either. He is a limited offensive player, below average shooter. Good guy, good teammate, good defender, get all that but not a great player.
jbk1234 wrote:Lauri's wing span could be 8'6" and I'd still have grave concerns about him defensively.JonFromVA wrote:Wisedude wrote:
Nance is NOT great. If Nance was a great player he would not have been traded. Nance never made the All-Star team either. He is a limited offensive player, below average shooter. Good guy, good teammate, good defender, get all that but not a great player.
lol, I obviously didn't mean great in the absolute sense ... Larry was great for the Cavs at his price and for everything he brought.
Like I said, I have a lot more home work to do on Markennan, but he was putting up 19 & 9 as a 21 year old. I'm not ready to say he's a great pickup, but great teams can be built by snagging undervalued players coming off their rookie contract.
For some players things don't really get interesting until they're 25yrs old and up.
In terms of defensive upside, unfortunately his wingspan is just 6'11" .vs. Nance at 7'1.5".
jbk1234 wrote:IIRC that's only if we're over the apron. We're not.Harper4Ferry? wrote:I believe we are now hard capped after receiving a player in S&T
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jbk1234 wrote:I don't think he's great, but he had the best advanced stats on the team over the last two years and was clearly missed when he was out (which was admittedly too often). Due to his versatility, he balanced an imbalanced roster in a way that I don't see Lauri doing.Wisedude wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
Thanks for the report. I've got a lot to absorb before I'll come to an opinion other than a few quick takes (haha):
1) Nance is great and will be missed, but we can't trust him to stay healthy, play big minutes, or start;
2) We need reliable 3pt shooting and Lauri is more reliable than Larry;
3) Lauri's contract is well above MLE level, but that's basically what it takes, and I'm not too concerned;
4) Lauri's age and contract length fits better with our core;
5) Lauri may be coming off the bench, but if so, he will have a bigger role and will still likely be paired with either Allen or Mobley at C and Rubio at PG;
otoh, what does this do for our wing search and do we still have the full MLE to work with? Or are we basically done short of dipping in to the luxury tax?
Nance is NOT great. If Nance was a great player he would not have been traded. Nance never made the All-Star team either. He is a limited offensive player, below average shooter. Good guy, good teammate, good defender, get all that but not a great player.
I wish I liked this trade more, but I would've taken DJJ and the first.
Harper4Ferry? wrote:From the coon faq.
In other words, when a team is below the Apron and uses its Bi-Annual exception, receives a player who is signed-and-traded, or uses its Mid-Level exception to sign a player to a contract larger than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the team becomes hard-capped at the Apron for the remainder of that season. This eliminates any potential loophole where a team could first use one of these exceptions and subsequently add salary to go above the Apron, since the reverse -- adding salary first and then using the exception -- would be illegal.
If a team is hard-capped, it cannot exceed the Apron under any circumstance.
Not that we’re going over the tax anyways but we’re now limited in what we can theoretically take back in subsequent trades and our MLE remaining will shrink.
Wisedude wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Wisedude wrote:The Cavs are still a developing team and know they need another high draft pick next year. The Cavs are young and talented. Lauri Markkanen has such a good shooting stroke. The roster is still evolving but in a really good way. Even if Love is here, it is ok.
Besides the fact that the only true SF that they have on the roster is Osman who would be a 13th man off the bench on any decent team.
Windler's best position imo is the small forward so need to get him healthy to start the season. Did you think the Cavs were going to be a finished roster product this offseason? To put together a top team takes years (just ask Milwaukee). Altman, Gansey, Weems and the entire Coaching staff were certainly on board with this trade. Cavs were a poor shooting team and this helps. Next year in the draft, small forward will be a priority.
JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:I don't think he's great, but he had the best advanced stats on the team over the last two years and was clearly missed when he was out (which was admittedly too often). Due to his versatility, he balanced an imbalanced roster in a way that I don't see Lauri doing.Wisedude wrote:
Nance is NOT great. If Nance was a great player he would not have been traded. Nance never made the All-Star team either. He is a limited offensive player, below average shooter. Good guy, good teammate, good defender, get all that but not a great player.
I wish I liked this trade more, but I would've taken DJJ and the first.
Larry made us better, no doubt about that, but there's also little doubt one of the imbalances on the roster is shooting and drafting Mobley has not likely helped that - at least in the short term.
I was looking forward to Larry helping Evan develop his skills because they have a lot of the same all-around skills, but in that same sense they're kind of redundant.
What happens with Kevin is certainly a big question and as one of the big proponents of dumping him ASAP, surely you see the shooting hole that creates sooner if not later.
LivingLegend wrote:JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:I don't think he's great, but he had the best advanced stats on the team over the last two years and was clearly missed when he was out (which was admittedly too often). Due to his versatility, he balanced an imbalanced roster in a way that I don't see Lauri doing.
I wish I liked this trade more, but I would've taken DJJ and the first.
Larry made us better, no doubt about that, but there's also little doubt one of the imbalances on the roster is shooting and drafting Mobley has not likely helped that - at least in the short term.
I was looking forward to Larry helping Evan develop his skills because they have a lot of the same all-around skills, but in that same sense they're kind of redundant.
What happens with Kevin is certainly a big question and as one of the big proponents of dumping him ASAP, surely you see the shooting hole that creates sooner if not later.
Just because this roster needs shooting doesn't mean you have to go get another PF to do so which creates another disaster of a lineup.
The Cavs could have traded Nance for Ross, Reddish, either or both of the Utah veterans, ECT. All of which would have been a better fit than Lauri. This is just flat out embarrassing