TMZ: Bodycam footage released from Jaxon Hayes arrest

[lakerz12]

The only person that should have been tazed is the annoying girl. There’s seriously few things more annoying than the yelling of girls during any incident

I also can’t believe the majority think the cops are in hand right here, there was never a need to take it that far

Take it what far?

"Hayes eventually attempted to retreat inside ... but officers blocked his path. Police attempted to cuff Hayes ... and that's when the situation turned violent.

Hayes appears to forcefully shove an officer ... sending him slamming into an exterior wall of the home. Police later said the officer was injured during the incident ... and required medical treatment."

What do you want the officers to do it at this point?

How do they take it less far?

Even his friend was telling Jaxon to "stop".

Did they beat Hayes up? No. Did they start the confrontation with him? No.

Hayes instigated the entire thing. It's almost like he wanted it to happen.

They take it less far by not putting their hands on him.

Drunk people afraid of the cops asking a drunk friend to stop sticking up for themselves doesn’t mean he was in the wrong, it just means they didn’t want their friend to be the next person to die at the hands of overly aggressive law enforcement

I watched the footage, why do we need quotes? There was no reason to put their hands on him or cuff him. You’re walking into a situation with no proof, your job is to investigate, him walking inside doesn’t stop you from doing that.

The officer was injured? Are you serious? Did you see what they were doing to him? I’m so glad I don’t live in the US, you guys are so used to this overly aggressive police that you have no problem when they go overboard

So they should just continue to let him advance on them and speak/act aggressively toward them for an indefinite period of time and just hope he calms down?

I don't think that police are trained or required to do that. If a guy is clearly advancing physically and being confrontational, I believe they are in their rights to attempt to detain him and put him in hand cuffs.

But maybe someone in law enforcement can clarify?

Can you find a law that says otherwise?

Personally if I ever have an interaction with police, I try to respect that they are in a position of authority and in that situation they have more authority and force than I do.

So it's better for me if I just act and speak with respect, and generally NOTHING ever goes wrong in that case.

Let me know if you can find any or a lot of examples where anything bad ever happens when some is being completely respectful and compliant with police.

P.S. no offense but I'm glad you don't live in the U.S. either. But I'm sure we could find some terrible things with your country's police also. They are just human beings. They make mistakes. But I do believe it's within their rights to attempt to detain Hayes in this case. Which is what they were doing and then he resisted that.

I'm actually not used to "this overly aggressive police" because everyone I know is simply peaceful and respectful toward the police and nothing happens.

[JimmyPlopper]

I'm assuming he was drunk by the way he was acting. He disobeyed several clear orders from the officers, then resisted arrest. Sounds he like he even threatened the officers during the arrest.

For the people who think the force used was excessive, I guess there can always be a discussion around how much force is acceptable... but I'd like to see the amount of force you would use to arrest a 7' 240lb man.

Its not a law to listen to what police officers say. The police are our servants. We give them some power to protect us but not violate

Except it literally is. This information is readily available on your state legislature's website. Stop spreading this nonsense, you're only gonna get someone in bigger trouble

From California:

It is unlawful to willfully fail or refuse to comply with a lawful order, signal, or direction of a peace officer

From my state:

Whoever, without reasonable excuse, refuses or fails, upon command, to aid any person known by the person to be a peace officer is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.

It literally isn't. For example, a big party going on at a frat in Philadelphia many decades ago. young looking guys walking toward it - the cop says - hey you can't walk down this street. of course we laugh in his face. this is a city. we're going to walk in any public place that we wish. and there is nothing he can do about it other than grunt.

[FreeThrowLine]

Take it what far?

"Hayes eventually attempted to retreat inside ... but officers blocked his path. Police attempted to cuff Hayes ... and that's when the situation turned violent.

Hayes appears to forcefully shove an officer ... sending him slamming into an exterior wall of the home. Police later said the officer was injured during the incident ... and required medical treatment."

What do you want the officers to do it at this point?

How do they take it less far?

Even his friend was telling Jaxon to "stop".

Did they beat Hayes up? No. Did they start the confrontation with him? No.

Hayes instigated the entire thing. It's almost like he wanted it to happen.

They take it less far by not putting their hands on him.

Drunk people afraid of the cops asking a drunk friend to stop sticking up for themselves doesn’t mean he was in the wrong, it just means they didn’t want their friend to be the next person to die at the hands of overly aggressive law enforcement

I watched the footage, why do we need quotes? There was no reason to put their hands on him or cuff him. You’re walking into a situation with no proof, your job is to investigate, him walking inside doesn’t stop you from doing that.

The officer was injured? Are you serious? Did you see what they were doing to him? I’m so glad I don’t live in the US, you guys are so used to this overly aggressive police that you have no problem when they go overboard

So they should just continue to let him advance on them and speak/act aggressively toward them for an indefinite period of time and just hope he calms down?

I don't think that police are trained or required to do that. If a guy is clearly advancing physically and being confrontational, I believe they are in their rights to attempt to detain him and put him in hand cuffs.

But maybe someone in law enforcement can clarify?

Can you find a law that says otherwise?

Personally if I ever have an interaction with police, I try to respect that they are in a position of authority and in that situation they have more authority and force than I do.

So it's better for me if I just act and speak with respect, and generally NOTHING ever goes wrong in that case.

Let me know if you can find any or a lot of examples where anything bad ever happens when some is being completely respectful and compliant with police.

P.S. no offense but I'm glad you don't live in the U.S. either. But I'm sure we could find some terrible things with your country's police also. They are just human beings. They make mistakes. But I do believe it's within their rights to attempt to detain Hayes in this case. Which is what they were doing and then he resisted that.

I'm actually not used to "this overly aggressive police" because everyone I know is simply peaceful and respectful toward the police and nothing happens.

Yeah, we must be watching a different video.

No offense taken, for most of us in other parts of the world, contrary to what you guys think it’s nowhere near the ‘best damn country in the world’

[nikster]

Its not a law to listen to what police officers say. The police are our servants. We give them some power to protect us but not violate

Except it literally is. This information is readily available on your state legislature's website. Stop spreading this nonsense, you're only gonna get someone in bigger trouble

From California:

It is unlawful to willfully fail or refuse to comply with a lawful order, signal, or direction of a peace officer

From my state:

Whoever, without reasonable excuse, refuses or fails, upon command, to aid any person known by the person to be a peace officer is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.

It literally isn't. For example, a big party going on at a frat in Philadelphia many decades ago. young looking guys walking toward it - the cop says - hey you can't walk down this street. of course we laugh in his face. this is a city. we're going to walk in any public place that we wish. and there is nothing he can do about it other than grunt.

you missed the lawful order part, and in this instance the cops orders were lawful and they did have the right to enter the house

[JimmyPlopper]

Except it literally is. This information is readily available on your state legislature's website. Stop spreading this nonsense, you're only gonna get someone in bigger trouble

From California:


From my state:

It literally isn't. For example, a big party going on at a frat in Philadelphia many decades ago. young looking guys walking toward it - the cop says - hey you can't walk down this street. of course we laugh in his face. this is a city. we're going to walk in any public place that we wish. and there is nothing he can do about it other than grunt.

you missed the lawful order part, and in this instance the cops orders were lawful and they did have the right to enter the house

Which means that you don't have to listen to whatever cops say. Just only in specific scenarios. Just like anyone else (a judge, your mother, a life guard, a teacher)

[510TWSS]

LAPD has a horrible history of violence and racism. But in this instance i think everyone is an **** here.

They could've deescalated (i'm not sure if they can say they were there b/c domestic violence was called in) but they did have a right to be there and go inside without jaxson accompanying. Especially since they need to check on his girlfriend dv calls can go south very quickly.

[shangrila]

It literally isn't. For example, a big party going on at a frat in Philadelphia many decades ago. young looking guys walking toward it - the cop says - hey you can't walk down this street. of course we laugh in his face. this is a city. we're going to walk in any public place that we wish. and there is nothing he can do about it other than grunt.

you missed the lawful order part, and in this instance the cops orders were lawful and they did have the right to enter the house

Which means that you don't have to listen to whatever cops say. Just only in specific scenarios. Just like anyone else (a judge, your mother, a life guard, a teacher)

Tell you what, next time a cop tells you to do something don't do it. Laugh in his face, like you claim you did before. Hell, flip them the bird since you're so hardcore.

Let us know how it goes.

[JimmyPlopper]

you missed the lawful order part, and in this instance the cops orders were lawful and they did have the right to enter the house

Which means that you don't have to listen to whatever cops say. Just only in specific scenarios. Just like anyone else (a judge, your mother, a life guard, a teacher)

Tell you what, next time a cop tells you to do something don't do it. Laugh in his face, like you claim you did before. Hell, flip them the bird since you're so hardcore.

Let us know how it goes.

thanks I do this regularly (the laughing but not flipping the bird)

[LikeABosh]

Its not a law to listen to what police officers say. The police are our servants. We give them some power to protect us but not violate

Except it literally is. This information is readily available on your state legislature's website. Stop spreading this nonsense, you're only gonna get someone in bigger trouble

From California:

It is unlawful to willfully fail or refuse to comply with a lawful order, signal, or direction of a peace officer

From my state:

Whoever, without reasonable excuse, refuses or fails, upon command, to aid any person known by the person to be a peace officer is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.

It literally isn't. For example, a big party going on at a frat in Philadelphia many decades ago. young looking guys walking toward it - the cop says - hey you can't walk down this street. of course we laugh in his face. this is a city. we're going to walk in any public place that we wish. and there is nothing he can do about it other than grunt.

So it literally isn't a law even though...it is a law? As in, the lawmakers made it a law and I showed you two examples. What in the world

And what the **** is that example. A cop can absolutely prevent you from walking down a street if he has a lawful reason to do so. And it's at his temporary discretion to decide if it is (which has its own problems ofc). Have you never seen police tape before? A crime scene in public? What, you can walk through blood splatters on the concrete because the officer has no power or ability to prevent you from doing so?

[GSWFan1994]

Not looking good for Jaxson Hayes.

Even if he gets out of this situation without legal problems long term, I don't think any NBA team will offer him a good contract after his rookie one is over.

Maybe some type of 1 year, "prove it" deals, but still, more talented players were left out due to way less troubled situations in the past.

[LikeABosh]

you missed the lawful order part, and in this instance the cops orders were lawful and they did have the right to enter the house

Which means that you don't have to listen to whatever cops say. Just only in specific scenarios. Just like anyone else (a judge, your mother, a life guard, a teacher)

Tell you what, next time a cop tells you to do something don't do it. Laugh in his face, like you claim you did before. Hell, flip them the bird since you're so hardcore.

Let us know how it goes.

Might honestly be one of those sovereign citizen morons. It would explain the fantasy world he thinks he's living in

[RRyder823]

Its not a law to listen to what police officers say. The police are our servants. We give them some power to protect us but not violate

Except it literally is. This information is readily available on your state legislature's website. Stop spreading this nonsense, you're only gonna get someone in bigger trouble

From California:

It is unlawful to willfully fail or refuse to comply with a lawful order, signal, or direction of a peace officer

From my state:

Whoever, without reasonable excuse, refuses or fails, upon command, to aid any person known by the person to be a peace officer is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor.

It literally isn't. For example, a big party going on at a frat in Philadelphia many decades ago. young looking guys walking toward it - the cop says - hey you can't walk down this street. of course we laugh in his face. this is a city. we're going to walk in any public place that we wish. and there is nothing he can do about it other than grunt.

Only on this board could the law literally be posted only to be rebutted with a complete denial of the posted law followed by an anecdotal story which doesn't actually disprove anything

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[JimmyPlopper]

Except it literally is. This information is readily available on your state legislature's website. Stop spreading this nonsense, you're only gonna get someone in bigger trouble

From California:


From my state:

It literally isn't. For example, a big party going on at a frat in Philadelphia many decades ago. young looking guys walking toward it - the cop says - hey you can't walk down this street. of course we laugh in his face. this is a city. we're going to walk in any public place that we wish. and there is nothing he can do about it other than grunt.

So it literally isn't a law even though...it is a law? As in, the lawmakers made it a law and I showed you two examples. What in the world

And what the **** is that example. A cop can absolutely prevent you from walking down a street if he has a lawful reason to do so. And it's at his temporary discretion to decide if it is (which has its own problems ofc). Have you never seen police tape before? A crime scene in public? What, you can walk through blood splatters on the concrete because the officer has no power or ability to prevent you from doing so?

You said literally which, I understand has a different meaning colloquially. But you know what literally means right? You provided certain places that ask you to listen to them under a very specific circumstance. So that doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria of literally.

[J_T]

What a dumbass. Guess he's never heard of probable cause.

Yep, stupid ass rule applied in this case. Just follow the logic for one second here:

Woman in house apparently texts her friend saying she's in trouble, and can't call the authorities.
Friend then calls cops
Cops show up and have probable cause



So, the woman can text her friend but can't text 911? You know that 911 can be texted now, right? Been that way for over 5 years. She can text but can't call 911 (even without speaking into the phone, if you call 911 and aren't responsive they'll show up). I can't imagine how this can be abused for someone you don't like...for example:


A person I dislike has drugs in their house
They're having people over
I anonymously call or text 911 off a burner and say I heard screams for help from the house
Police now have probable cause and enter his home and find drugs and he goes to jail. Probable cause (made up) but they bust him for something they never would have busted him for without that anonymous made up tip.

See where I'm going with this? Slippery slope.

Yeah. Or how about this... there is a 911 call, a woman claiming that someone is beating her and wants to kill her, gives her address as well before phone call gets violently disconnected. The cops don't respond because - hey - it could be just a prank call. You are onto something here.

[JimmyPlopper]

Except it literally is. This information is readily available on your state legislature's website. Stop spreading this nonsense, you're only gonna get someone in bigger trouble

From California:


From my state:

It literally isn't. For example, a big party going on at a frat in Philadelphia many decades ago. young looking guys walking toward it - the cop says - hey you can't walk down this street. of course we laugh in his face. this is a city. we're going to walk in any public place that we wish. and there is nothing he can do about it other than grunt.

Only on this board could the law literally be posted only to be rebutted with a complete denial of the posted law followed by an anecdotal story which doesn't actually disprove anything

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Only on this board does reading comprehension take new levels of awful

[JimmyPlopper]

Not looking good for Jaxson Hayes.

Even if he gets out of this situation without legal problems long term, I don't think any NBA team will offer him a good contract after his rookie one is over.

Maybe some type of 1 year, "prove it" deals, but still, more talented players were left out due to way less troubled situations in the past.

I doubt that. That would be a bad look for the NBA, especially given everything we have learned over the past year regarding police brutality.

[RRyder823]

It literally isn't. For example, a big party going on at a frat in Philadelphia many decades ago. young looking guys walking toward it - the cop says - hey you can't walk down this street. of course we laugh in his face. this is a city. we're going to walk in any public place that we wish. and there is nothing he can do about it other than grunt.

Only on this board could the law literally be posted only to be rebutted with a complete denial of the posted law followed by an anecdotal story which doesn't actually disprove anything

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Only on this board does reading comprehension take new levels of awful

You're definitely proving that.

If that's what you set out to do good job. You truly are outstanding at it

If not...... Well..........

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[slickrickstyles]

What a dumbass. Guess he's never heard of probable cause.

Yep, stupid ass rule applied in this case. Just follow the logic for one second here:

Woman in house apparently texts her friend saying she's in trouble, and can't call the authorities.
Friend then calls cops
Cops show up and have probable cause



So, the woman can text her friend but can't text 911? You know that 911 can be texted now, right? Been that way for over 5 years. She can text but can't call 911 (even without speaking into the phone, if you call 911 and aren't responsive they'll show up). I can't imagine how this can be abused for someone you don't like...for example:


A person I dislike has drugs in their house
They're having people over
I anonymously call or text 911 off a burner and say I heard screams for help from the house
Police now have probable cause and enter his home and find drugs and he goes to jail. Probable cause (made up) but they bust him for something they never would have busted him for without that anonymous made up tip.

See where I'm going with this? Slippery slope.

Well to be fair, I didn't know you can text 911. You just taught me something, lol.

But they HAVE to follow up on those things. If they don't and something happens, everybody would be screaming "why did they ignore the warnings??"

Yeah I'm 36 and had no idea you could text 911 either. Also this same scenario can happen with calling or texting because they are concerned about the person not the guy that got busted for drugs. I've never understood this "BASE" attitude. Like a person can have anything they want in their house regardless of the law.

[JimmyPlopper]

Only on this board could the law literally be posted only to be rebutted with a complete denial of the posted law followed by an anecdotal story which doesn't actually disprove anything

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Only on this board does reading comprehension take new levels of awful

You're definitely proving that.

If that's what you set out to do good job. You truly are outstanding at it

If not...... Well..........

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did you read the law? what do you think it says?

[JimmyPlopper]

They take it less far by not putting their hands on him.

Drunk people afraid of the cops asking a drunk friend to stop sticking up for themselves doesn’t mean he was in the wrong, it just means they didn’t want their friend to be the next person to die at the hands of overly aggressive law enforcement

I watched the footage, why do we need quotes? There was no reason to put their hands on him or cuff him. You’re walking into a situation with no proof, your job is to investigate, him walking inside doesn’t stop you from doing that.

The officer was injured? Are you serious? Did you see what they were doing to him? I’m so glad I don’t live in the US, you guys are so used to this overly aggressive police that you have no problem when they go overboard

So they should just continue to let him advance on them and speak/act aggressively toward them for an indefinite period of time and just hope he calms down?

I don't think that police are trained or required to do that. If a guy is clearly advancing physically and being confrontational, I believe they are in their rights to attempt to detain him and put him in hand cuffs.

But maybe someone in law enforcement can clarify?

Can you find a law that says otherwise?

Personally if I ever have an interaction with police, I try to respect that they are in a position of authority and in that situation they have more authority and force than I do.

So it's better for me if I just act and speak with respect, and generally NOTHING ever goes wrong in that case.

Let me know if you can find any or a lot of examples where anything bad ever happens when some is being completely respectful and compliant with police.

P.S. no offense but I'm glad you don't live in the U.S. either. But I'm sure we could find some terrible things with your country's police also. They are just human beings. They make mistakes. But I do believe it's within their rights to attempt to detain Hayes in this case. Which is what they were doing and then he resisted that.

I'm actually not used to "this overly aggressive police" because everyone I know is simply peaceful and respectful toward the police and nothing happens.

Yeah, we must be watching a different video.

No offense taken, for most of us in other parts of the world, contrary to what you guys think it’s nowhere near the ‘best damn country in the world’

The idea of american exceptionalism is one of the funniest jokes I ever get to hear