TMZ: Bodycam footage released from Jaxon Hayes arrest

[F N 11]

Battle of who got a bigger ego and who could be tougher. People can’t even communicate through a damn situation it always has to escalate. Doesn’t help cops can’t keep their hands off people.

[JimmyPlopper]

Battle of who got a bigger ego and who could be tougher. People can’t even communicate through a damn situation it always has to escalate. Doesn’t help cops can’t keep their hands off people.

I agree that is what it looked like to me. While there is no hero in the situation (other than maybe the friend, or he tried to be), the situation management from the cops perspective caused this to unravel. And that is what they are paid to do.

[slickrickstyles]

Nope, you don't get the situation well enough then, there's a lot of room for abuse and people can frame other people all kinds of stuff, that's why it's a slippery slope. But as I said in my previous post, I'm making an educated guess that it's probably not possible to charge somebody with illegal activity not connected to the activity which triggered the police to enter the private property without a warrant.

Well I agree there's potential for abuse, situations like that are fairly rare. In regards to your hypothetical situation the person with the drugs would 100% be able to be charged for them. A warrant would be required for anything seized beyond the scope of plain view while they made sure there was no danger present.

Yea, but let's imagine the drugs were in this girl's house and the cops found them: how do you prove whose drugs those are? Are those drugs automatically yours because you let somebody bring them into your house and put them on the table? What if she says the drugs belong to Hayes, and he claims otherwise? I think it's dumb AF if the law is you can actually get charged for drugs found in the private property without a warrant, I honestly don't believe you that a person can get convicted for possession based on that evidence, so I don't see why would anybody get charged for that.

The home owner in that case would be charge as would the owner of a vehicle when stuff is found during searches and no one wants to claim it. Regardless if they were pulled over due to a tail light out and the cop sees seeds on the floor or if they were smoking it.

Take for instance this small town in IL I live in. Marijuana is "legal" statewide but you will still be ticketed and possibly arrested for possession if it is not in a sealed container....with that said people are in trouble ALL the time here for it even though it's "legal". The paraphernalia like a bowl is an even worse charge.

[J_T]

Cops need to de-escalate when they turn up to heated situations. That is their responsibility and one that we say neglected to do here. Lucky for them, they don't need to pay the price and you will have a part of the community who actually backs that behavior. Cowardice all around

370 police officers died in USA last year while on duty. Here's a few of them for you to consider:

Public Safety Officer Jackson Winkeler was shot and killed while conducting a traffic stop on Gilbert Avenue near the airport's terminal shortly before 6:00 am.

Jimmy's fault this one. He shouldn't have conducted a traffic stop without permission of the driver and making sure that the driver didn't feel threatened.

Officer Tiffany-Victoria Enriquez and Officer Kaulike Kalama were shot and killed while responding to a stabbing call at a home at 3015 Hibiscus Drive shortly after 9:00 am.

An elderly woman had filed eviction paperwork against her tenant, who suffered from mental health issues and had been falsely calling 911 repeatedly in recent weeks. The landlord and tenant became engaged in an argument in which the man stabbed the woman.

Officer Enriquez was one of the first officers who arrived at the scene and tended to the victim outside of the home. As she and other officers walked toward the house the man opened fire, killing her. Officer Kalama was shot moments later as he and other officers arrived on the scene. Both officers were shot in areas above their bulletproof vests.

After shooting the officers, the man barricaded himself inside of his home and set it on fire. The flames spread to neighboring homes, destroying a total of seven homes. The man and two women were presumed dead in the fire.

Alright, she was calling for it. Approaching a house like that without sending a letter first and warning them to hide any drugs they might have in the house?! The nerves!

Police Officer Nick O'Rear was shot and killed during a vehicle pursuit on I-65 near Old U.S. Highway 31 at about 10:00 pm.

An officer with the Warrior Police Department had initiated the pursuit when he attempted to conduct a traffic stop. Officer O'Rear responded to assist in the pursuit when the man opened fire, striking him.

He was obviously not reading realgm and what very smart posters around here are saying: "If the person doesn't want to get arrested or touched, just let him go. Everything else is police brutality".

Trooper Joseph Bullock was shot and killed at approximately 10:15 while assisting a disabled vehicle on I-95 just north of the interstate rest area in Martin County.

He stopped to assist the motorist whose vehicle had become stuck on a swale. He had positioned his patrol car behind the vehicle and completed paperwork for approximately one hour while the motorist waited for a tow truck to remove the vehicle. During this time Trooper Bullock had several normal interactions with the motorist.

Once the tow truck driver arrived the man became upset with the cost of having the vehicle towed. He calmly walked back to Trooper Bullock’s vehicle and, without warning, drew a handgun and fatally shot him in the head.

The man then attempted to shoot the tow truck driver, but his gun jammed, allowing the tow truck driver to run to safety.

Defund the police! Spending so much for them and they can't even pay the towing cost for the poor guy?!

[wade44]

No one's above the law. This serves as a valuable lesson to this young man

[JimmyPlopper]

Cops need to de-escalate when they turn up to heated situations. That is their responsibility and one that we say neglected to do here. Lucky for them, they don't need to pay the price and you will have a part of the community who actually backs that behavior. Cowardice all around

370 police officers died in USA last year while on duty. Here's a few of them for you to consider:

Public Safety Officer Jackson Winkeler was shot and killed while conducting a traffic stop on Gilbert Avenue near the airport's terminal shortly before 6:00 am.

Jimmy's fault this one. He shouldn't have conducted a traffic stop without permission of the driver and making sure that the driver didn't feel threatened.

Officer Tiffany-Victoria Enriquez and Officer Kaulike Kalama were shot and killed while responding to a stabbing call at a home at 3015 Hibiscus Drive shortly after 9:00 am.

An elderly woman had filed eviction paperwork against her tenant, who suffered from mental health issues and had been falsely calling 911 repeatedly in recent weeks. The landlord and tenant became engaged in an argument in which the man stabbed the woman.

Officer Enriquez was one of the first officers who arrived at the scene and tended to the victim outside of the home. As she and other officers walked toward the house the man opened fire, killing her. Officer Kalama was shot moments later as he and other officers arrived on the scene. Both officers were shot in areas above their bulletproof vests.

After shooting the officers, the man barricaded himself inside of his home and set it on fire. The flames spread to neighboring homes, destroying a total of seven homes. The man and two women were presumed dead in the fire.

Alright, she was calling for it. Approaching a house like that without sending a letter first and warning them to hide any drugs they might have in the house?! The nerves!

Police Officer Nick O'Rear was shot and killed during a vehicle pursuit on I-65 near Old U.S. Highway 31 at about 10:00 pm.

An officer with the Warrior Police Department had initiated the pursuit when he attempted to conduct a traffic stop. Officer O'Rear responded to assist in the pursuit when the man opened fire, striking him.

He was obviously not reading realgm and what very smart posters around here are saying: "If the person doesn't want to get arrested or touched, just let him go. Everything else is police brutality".

Trooper Joseph Bullock was shot and killed at approximately 10:15 while assisting a disabled vehicle on I-95 just north of the interstate rest area in Martin County.

He stopped to assist the motorist whose vehicle had become stuck on a swale. He had positioned his patrol car behind the vehicle and completed paperwork for approximately one hour while the motorist waited for a tow truck to remove the vehicle. During this time Trooper Bullock had several normal interactions with the motorist.

Once the tow truck driver arrived the man became upset with the cost of having the vehicle towed. He calmly walked back to Trooper Bullock’s vehicle and, without warning, drew a handgun and fatally shot him in the head.

The man then attempted to shoot the tow truck driver, but his gun jammed, allowing the tow truck driver to run to safety.

Defund the police! Spending so much for them and they can't even pay the towing cost for the poor guy?!

See what happens when you build a toxic culture? It causes even the community to lash back out at the good police. This is a systemic problem. They need to invest more money into the function to advance it into something worthwhile - an organization staffed with more counselors, and people who understand the local community and the specific ways that they need to be served. All of these deaths you described are very sad and those who would act as an apologist for police brutality and incompetence are one of the main causes, fanning these flames. it's incredibly irresponsible

[azcatz11]

No one's above the law. This serves as a valuable lesson to this young man

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[Alonzo_Morning]

The only person that should have been tazed is the annoying girl. There’s seriously few things more annoying than the yelling of girls during any incident

I also can’t believe the majority think the cops are in hand right here, there was never a need to take it that far

Except she was just telling Jax to cooperate?

[QingJames]

370 police officers died in USA last year while on duty. Here's a few of them for you to consider:

I mean, I'm with the cops in this particular incident, but there's no doubt American police are overly paranoid and treat every citizen as a threat. Being a cop isn't even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs per capita in the U.S., but the narrative around cops seems to be that their over-aggression is necessary because of how dangerous their job is. Here are some more dangerous jobs in the US:

Aircraft pilots
Roofers
Garbage collectors
Delivery drivers
Farmers
Crossing guards
Cement masons

And there are many more. But we would never excuse overly aggressive driving against civilians by a delivery truck driver even though their job is almost twice as likely to result in a casualty as police officers. American cops really do get way too much leeway with how paranoid they are, and with how aggressively they treat civilians.

But all-in-all in this particular case, I thought they handled themselves pretty well. The only real fault was the idiot whose bodycam is taking the video, who goes and tries to grab Hayes' arm from behind, thus escalating the situation. They did issue Hayes lawful orders but didn't issue him a warning to back up when he began approaching the house, the cop just tried to grab him.

[DCasey91]

DV call

Young male drunk and disorderly not co-operating with authorities. Key word authorities. Couple of times beforehand told Hayes to step aside. Friend told him the same thing. Threatening stance, taller, young man big ego we’ve all been there.

They have to do their job at the end of the day.
Obstruction of justice not following the law etc.

As things go this isn’t all that bad.
Who knows what the worst case scenario was. It’s a DV call those types of call ups could range anywhere from nothing to the worst possible scenarios.

Hayes should be embarrassed.

[TheNewEra]

370 police officers died in USA last year while on duty. Here's a few of them for you to consider:

I mean, I'm with the cops in this particular incident, but there's no doubt American police are overly paranoid and treat every citizen as a threat. Being a cop isn't even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs per capita in the U.S., but the narrative around cops seems to be that their over-aggression is necessary because of how dangerous their job is. Here are some more dangerous jobs in the US:

Aircraft pilots
Roofers
Garbage collectors
Delivery drivers
Farmers
Crossing guards
Cement masons

And there are many more. But we would never excuse overly aggressive driving against civilians by a delivery truck driver even though their job is almost twice as likely to result in a casualty as police officers. American cops really do get way too much leeway with how paranoid they are, and with how aggressively they treat civilians.

But all-in-all in this particular case, I thought they handled themselves pretty well. The only real fault was the idiot whose bodycam is taking the video, who goes and tries to grab Hayes' arm from behind, thus escalating the situation. They did issue Hayes lawful orders but didn't issue him a warning to back up when he began approaching the house, the cop just tried to grab him.

The corruption doesn’t matter to some until it hits home for them

[RapsFan2000]

What a moron. He wanted to be the "black victim" so bad here thinking he was being attacked by the Cops for being black but he was clearly intoxicated and resisting arrest. Im not even white but sometimes my people want to be oppressed so bad always and are quick to put on their video cameras to record and post on World Star. A lot of cops are definitely corrupt & racist but in this one, The Cops are definitely correct here, especially with a guy who's 6'11 and did not listen at all. These kids have an amazing opportunity and they blow it by trying to act like thugs in front of their friends when they get some henny & weed into their systems.

[RapsFan2000]

I also read other comments and agree that although Hayes was in the wrong here, the cops aren't just trained to use physical force. Being someone who was trained and knows people in the force, being able to communicate with citizens and building a common ground is more important & can deescalate situations. I didn't see a lot of it from the Cops, they were communicating but at the same time being physical... I feel they treat any citizen as a threat nowadays and are quick to pull a trigger or the taser. Regardless, Hayes was more in the wrong here and if he just shutup and listened as all his friends were telling him, this probably doesn't happen.

[QingJames]

Also, one other thing I have to note. There's no doubt American police have lost the trust of a good portion of the public. This is surely in some part due to the incidents were are constantly inundated with wherein a citizen is wrongfully killed by a police officer. But it goes deeper than that now. Police departments across the country showed last summer that they were all too happy to brutalize the masses of protestors at the behest of a clearly authoritarian president. This is ultimately the problem police officers, departments and staunch supporters of these institutions need to grapple with - the police were all too happy to dehumanize masses of citizens and use undue force (the rubber bullets sprayed into crowds, fired at people on their doorsteps during unlawful commands to stay inside, using tear gas to scatter peaceful protestors for a photo op) as soon as they were given the green light to do so by a significant authority figure - the president, in this case.

I think for a lot of people, myself included, the facade that there were more good guys in blue than bad was ripped off then. So too was the myth that the police serve the public. So while we can quibble about specific scenarios and incidents like what happened here (where, again, I think the police acquitted themselves fairly well) the bigger issue lies with the institution of American police proving themselves untrustworthy and willing to treat their fellow Americans like insurgents in occupied Kabul. I'm not really certain trust can be restored in that institution unless there is a top-down reform, investigation and purge of the many perpetrators of the malfeasance we saw during the BLM protests in 2020.

[Wolveswin]

What a moron. He wanted to be the "black victim" so bad here thinking he was being attacked by the Cops for being black but he was clearly intoxicated and resisting arrest. Im not even white but sometimes my people want to be oppressed so bad always and are quick to put on their video cameras to record and post on World Star. A lot of cops are definitely corrupt & racist but in this one, The Cops are definitely correct here, especially with a guy who's 6'11 and did not listen at all. These kids have an amazing opportunity and they blow it by trying to act like thugs in front of their friends when they get some henny & weed into their systems.

What is your definition of “a lot of cops are definitely corrupt & racist?” Key words being “a lot”.

[leolozon]

No one's above the law. This serves as a valuable lesson to this young man

It's only a lesson if the person is willing too learn, something that is less likely on someone who thinks it's a good idea to confront cops.

[J_T]

370 police officers died in USA last year while on duty. Here's a few of them for you to consider:

I mean, I'm with the cops in this particular incident, but there's no doubt American police are overly paranoid and treat every citizen as a threat. Being a cop isn't even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs per capita in the U.S., but the narrative around cops seems to be that their over-aggression is necessary because of how dangerous their job is. Here are some more dangerous jobs in the US:

Aircraft pilots
Roofers
Garbage collectors
Delivery drivers
Farmers
Crossing guards
Cement masons

And there are many more. But we would never excuse overly aggressive driving against civilians by a delivery truck driver even though their job is almost twice as likely to result in a casualty as police officers. American cops really do get way too much leeway with how paranoid they are, and with how aggressively they treat civilians.

But all-in-all in this particular case, I thought they handled themselves pretty well. The only real fault was the idiot whose bodycam is taking the video, who goes and tries to grab Hayes' arm from behind, thus escalating the situation. They did issue Hayes lawful orders but didn't issue him a warning to back up when he began approaching the house, the cop just tried to grab him.

Police pretty much by definition is a repressive organization. They have the right to break the law in order to protect the law. Why? Because the law says they can do it. So they are not breaking the law. Confusing, but apart from having anarchy, there is no other way.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere, a line marking what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in order to protect the society. Not only that police is allowed to cross that line (relative to other citizens), but they actually HAVE to do it. Otherwise they are not doing their job, they are not getting their salary and they might even get jailed. They don't have a choice. There's shooting or robbery going on - they have to get in. They can't say "You know what, I don't feel like it today."

Aircraft pilot sees that the engine is acting weirdly - he doesn't have to fly and in fact he has to inform appropriate services that something is wrong with the aircraft. In fact if he doesn't do it, he is being negligent and could kill himself and others because of that. The analogy would be that a police officer informs his superiors: "There's a guy trying to shoot his neighbor, it looks dangerous. He seems serious about it and maybe after he shoots the neighbor he will try to shoot me as well. I better leave." And his superior telling him: "Good job, John. You will get a bonus and an employee of the week for this."

Roofer doesn't have to go on the roof in the middle of a tornado.

Delivery truck driver sees fire in front of him as a result of a traffic accident - he is not going to drive through the fire to deliver his toilet paper on time. Police officer would be required to do so (metaphorically).

So I think we are mixing apples and oranges here.

[Wolveswin]

Also, one other thing I have to note. There's no doubt American police have lost the trust of a good portion of the public. This is surely in some part due to the incidents were are constantly inundated with wherein a citizen is wrongfully killed by a police officer. But it goes deeper than that now. Police departments across the country showed last summer that they were all too happy to brutalize the masses of protestors at the behest of a clearly authoritarian president. This is ultimately the problem police officers, departments and staunch supporters of these institutions need to grapple with - the police were all too happy to dehumanize masses of citizens and use undue force (the rubber bullets sprayed into crowds, fired at people on their doorsteps during unlawful commands to stay inside, using tear gas to scatter peaceful protestors for a photo op) as soon as they were given the green light to do so by a significant authority figure - the president, in this case.

I think for a lot of people, myself included, the facade that there were more good guys in blue than bad was ripped off then. So too was the myth that the police serve the public. So while we can quibble about specific scenarios and incidents like what happened here (where, again, I think the police acquitted themselves fairly well) the bigger issue lies with the institution of American police proving themselves untrustworthy and willing to treat their fellow Americans like insurgents in occupied Kabul. I'm not really certain trust can be restored in that institution unless there is a top-down reform, investigation and purge of the many perpetrators of the malfeasance we saw during the BLM protests in 2020.

So much of this is wrong.

The police have not lost “the trust of good portion of public.” Maybe those who are vocal minority. Or those who believe everything they see or read and consume the false narrative as their own.

I would venture it is opposite of your words. Our people in blue have even more toxic and dangerous work environment than ever before. And those who don’t believe the vocal minority, or everything we read or see just because it is a relentless narrative being force fed the public…the majority couldn’t be prouder of those men and women who run towards the danger when called - so our society can hold some level of civility.

The most people I know respect the blue and more so, salute and thank those who serve even more so now than before.

Don’t let a few bad eggs ruin your perception of the whole coop. You can go ahead and throw out the baby with the bath water, but I will not. I will continue like every profession in America needs to do, is ‘be better.’ But better doesn’t mean defund or tear it down to the ground. Train, educate, hire with higher standards, more checks and balances amongst their own and outside oversight. Fund and more fund the police so our entire society can BE BETTER.

[Winsome Gerbil]

His friend was the brains of that particular operation.

This situation was 100% escalated by the dumb kid. The basic essence of what the cops were trying to do was go inside the house to talk to the woman, and Jaxson was told to wait outside. He was drunk or high or just abysmally stupid, and wasn't going to do that. People always talk about race first with cops, but sometimes it's stupid first. Cop tells you not to go into the house, you don't go into the house. Not so hard. Cop tells you to stand back, you stand back. Gee this is tough stuff. And how about NOT deciding to push your way thought the cops who have just told you to stay outside. Nobody made this situation happen but Jaxson.

All that said, in seeing it I see an idiot, and if I were a team I would be concerned he was an idiot. But just based off of the interaction with the cops he wasn't really spectacularly stupid enough to be radioactive, unless he had been hitting that woman of course.

[Asianiac_24]

What’s so hard to just comply and listen? He also tried the whole George Floyd “I can’t breathe” act. Just listen to your buddy and shut up