TMZ: Bodycam footage released from Jaxon Hayes arrest

[2020]

Why has it become a problem for youth to just listen to cops? Most cops don't want to be dic_ks but get erected by as_ses like him (no pun intended).

This could've gone alot better if he just cooperated...or alot worse smh.

I think he was drunk because he said "you guys are supposed to perterve and select" and then corrected himself by saying "you guys are supposed to protect and serve.

[Knightfall]

What a dumbass. Guess he's never heard of probable cause.

Yep, stupid ass rule applied in this case. Just follow the logic for one second here:

Woman in house apparently texts her friend saying she's in trouble, and can't call the authorities.
Friend then calls cops
Cops show up and have probable cause



So, the woman can text her friend but can't text 911? You know that 911 can be texted now, right? Been that way for over 5 years. She can text but can't call 911 (even without speaking into the phone, if you call 911 and aren't responsive they'll show up). I can't imagine how this can be abused for someone you don't like...for example:


A person I dislike has drugs in their house
They're having people over
I anonymously call or text 911 off a burner and say I heard screams for help from the house
Police now have probable cause and enter his home and find drugs and he goes to jail. Probable cause (made up) but they bust him for something they never would have busted him for without that anonymous made up tip.

See where I'm going with this? Slippery slope.

To be fair, if a domestic situation is going on, and any party is being physical with each other. How much worse do you think it would be if they saw them texting and the name up top was 911?

Probably easier to text the friend and have them call instead of putting yourself in immediate danger.

As for Hayes. Was he the one that was fighting with the girlfriend? If so that's the bigger issue and problem here if he was being physical with her.

[RapsFan2000]

What a moron. He wanted to be the "black victim" so bad here thinking he was being attacked by the Cops for being black but he was clearly intoxicated and resisting arrest. Im not even white but sometimes my people want to be oppressed so bad always and are quick to put on their video cameras to record and post on World Star. A lot of cops are definitely corrupt & racist but in this one, The Cops are definitely correct here, especially with a guy who's 6'11 and did not listen at all. These kids have an amazing opportunity and they blow it by trying to act like thugs in front of their friends when they get some henny & weed into their systems.

What is your definition of “a lot of cops are definitely corrupt & racist?” Key words being “a lot”.

If you aren't of colour, you'll never understand the racist part, but corrupt? Really? Do you need me to pull up actual research and links for you? You don't think Police Depts in America especially, let alone third world countries, or police in Europe, India aren't corrupt?! Bribery is real and so is covering up for your brothers in blue. LAPD is a prime example of a corruption, especially back in the day. By seeing your other comments, you bleed blue and that is fine. Not all cops are bad or corrupt, lots of good ones out there still. I am not for defund the police either like some idiots, but rather more education, training, communication training than physical training and more discipline using a firearm/taser when not needed. For this matter and video, the taser was justified and so was the physical force.

[J_T]

Also, one other thing I have to note. There's no doubt American police have lost the trust of a good portion of the public. This is surely in some part due to the incidents were are constantly inundated with wherein a citizen is wrongfully killed by a police officer. But it goes deeper than that now. Police departments across the country showed last summer that they were all too happy to brutalize the masses of protestors at the behest of a clearly authoritarian president. This is ultimately the problem police officers, departments and staunch supporters of these institutions need to grapple with - the police were all too happy to dehumanize masses of citizens and use undue force (the rubber bullets sprayed into crowds, fired at people on their doorsteps during unlawful commands to stay inside, using tear gas to scatter peaceful protestors for a photo op) as soon as they were given the green light to do so by a significant authority figure - the president, in this case.

I think for a lot of people, myself included, the facade that there were more good guys in blue than bad was ripped off then. So too was the myth that the police serve the public. So while we can quibble about specific scenarios and incidents like what happened here (where, again, I think the police acquitted themselves fairly well) the bigger issue lies with the institution of American police proving themselves untrustworthy and willing to treat their fellow Americans like insurgents in occupied Kabul. I'm not really certain trust can be restored in that institution unless there is a top-down reform, investigation and purge of the many perpetrators of the malfeasance we saw during the BLM protests in 2020.

I might be making an inexcusable assumption, but if you are Canadian, I don't think you have much to be proud of.

Here's the thing. The biggest problem of American police force is lack of training in my opinion. There are some states where police officer training is 10 times shorter than in an average European country. Isn't Montana one of such examples?

But when it comes to Canada, the problem that I see is the actual legislation. It's becoming increasingly oppressive and fascist in many ways, almost introducing "thought crimes" from certain communist countries from decades ago. The latest I read was that if you are committing a crime in Canada as a member of a minority, it is expected to get a more lenient sentence. Here, I found it:

The trial judge based her decision on the ‘Impact of Race and Culture Assessment (IRCA),’ a framework developed by the province to help courts arrive at an “appropriate sentence” for black people convicted of crimes.

The appeal court’s decision – about the need for judges to consider systemic issues impacting Nova Scotians of African descent – is apparently expected to become the blueprint for sentencing in the province and possibly even the rest of the country.

So if I have a choice to live in a free country with insufficiently trained police force or to live in a country with properly trained police force but enforcing an oppressive legislation, which one do you think I should pick?

[lamscott]

Why do people argue only one side?

There are horrible people in this world who have ruined it for everyone else with cops. The are defensive and rightfully so since this society is violent af. LAPD especially are met with resistence, insults, and violence all day. From the ghettos to the Beverly Hills.

Bad cops are few and far in between but their actions are the loudest of all. Cops aren't even trained properly to deescalate an issue, don't have to have a license, and don't even have to graduate college.... Bruh.... what you think is gonna happen if you give a dumbass a gun and hella authority.

Jaxson Hayes - Dumbass. He lucky the cops were smart and intelligent rather than one of those violent belligerent jerks that will shoot first. Its not his house, police will responding to a call of domestic violence, etc. I hate when idiots start recanting what their rights are when they really don't know the law. He is lucky his friend was there.

[Wolveswin]

What a moron. He wanted to be the "black victim" so bad here thinking he was being attacked by the Cops for being black but he was clearly intoxicated and resisting arrest. Im not even white but sometimes my people want to be oppressed so bad always and are quick to put on their video cameras to record and post on World Star. A lot of cops are definitely corrupt & racist but in this one, The Cops are definitely correct here, especially with a guy who's 6'11 and did not listen at all. These kids have an amazing opportunity and they blow it by trying to act like thugs in front of their friends when they get some henny & weed into their systems.

What is your definition of “a lot of cops are definitely corrupt & racist?” Key words being “a lot”.

If you aren't of colour, you'll never understand the racist part, but corrupt? Really? Do you need me to pull up actual research and links for you? You don't think Police Depts in America especially, let alone third world countries, or police in Europe, India aren't corrupt?! Bribery is real and so is covering up for your brothers in blue. LAPD is a prime example of a corruption, especially back in the day. By seeing your other comments, you bleed blue and that is fine. Not all cops are bad or corrupt, lots of good ones out there still. I am not for defund the police either like some idiots, but rather more education, training, communication training than physical training and more discipline using a firearm/taser when not needed. For this matter and video, the taser was justified and so was the physical force.

You are trying to tackle corruption in every country? You need a better hobby.

I don’t bleed blue. I believe in everyone being better. Doesn’t matter your profession, race, religion or team you cheer for. Can’t we all just be better?

I also believe a very small minority of cops are racist and/or corrupt. Should the small % even be smaller? Always.

But the small % doesn’t shape my view of them. And I apply that logic to every profession, race, religion. I don’t let a small few dictate what is really true of whole group. Not every black person is a gang banger. Not every white person racist honky. Not every Indian runs a 7/11. Not every middle eastern is a terrorist. I recommend you rethink letting stereotypes shape your views.

[Dzon Dilindzer]

i dont understand why people argue with the police

why is it hard to shut up and do as told (it would prevent a lot of situations like this one)

[RapsFan2000]

What is your definition of “a lot of cops are definitely corrupt & racist?” Key words being “a lot”.

If you aren't of colour, you'll never understand the racist part, but corrupt? Really? Do you need me to pull up actual research and links for you? You don't think Police Depts in America especially, let alone third world countries, or police in Europe, India aren't corrupt?! Bribery is real and so is covering up for your brothers in blue. LAPD is a prime example of a corruption, especially back in the day. By seeing your other comments, you bleed blue and that is fine. Not all cops are bad or corrupt, lots of good ones out there still. I am not for defund the police either like some idiots, but rather more education, training, communication training than physical training and more discipline using a firearm/taser when not needed. For this matter and video, the taser was justified and so was the physical force.

You are trying to tackle corruption in every country? You need a better hobby.

I don’t bleed blue. I believe in everyone being better. Doesn’t matter your profession, race, religion or team you cheer for. Can’t we all just be better?

I also believe a very small minority of cops are racist and/or corrupt. Should the small % even be smaller? Always.

But the small % doesn’t shape my view of them. And I apply that logic to every profession, race, religion. I don’t let a small few dictate what is really true of whole group. Not every black person is a gang banger. Not every white person racist honky. Not every Indian runs a 7/11. Not every middle eastern is a terrorist. I recommend you rethink letting stereotypes shape your views.

I mean, it isn't a hobby, if you knew a thing or two outside of your United States, or travelled you'd know police is corrupt in other countries even more..
And why are you using those stereotypes? Black people are gang bangers? Who said black people are gang bangers? Who said only Indians run a 7/11? Apu from Simpsons? Who said Middle Easterns are terrorists? You seem a bit brainwashed and racist truthfully to even think that about those ethnicities. Pretty sad. Terrorists can be white people as well, or indian or black. White people can be gang bangers also. Black people can be racist too. Middle Easterns can also run 7/11. I've never categorized like that. For you to generalize and think that way is pretty closed minded. Stop watching South park, CNN and the simpsons and travel a bit. Cheers!

[Wolveswin]

If you aren't of colour, you'll never understand the racist part, but corrupt? Really? Do you need me to pull up actual research and links for you? You don't think Police Depts in America especially, let alone third world countries, or police in Europe, India aren't corrupt?! Bribery is real and so is covering up for your brothers in blue. LAPD is a prime example of a corruption, especially back in the day. By seeing your other comments, you bleed blue and that is fine. Not all cops are bad or corrupt, lots of good ones out there still. I am not for defund the police either like some idiots, but rather more education, training, communication training than physical training and more discipline using a firearm/taser when not needed. For this matter and video, the taser was justified and so was the physical force.

You are trying to tackle corruption in every country? You need a better hobby.

I don’t bleed blue. I believe in everyone being better. Doesn’t matter your profession, race, religion or team you cheer for. Can’t we all just be better?

I also believe a very small minority of cops are racist and/or corrupt. Should the small % even be smaller? Always.

But the small % doesn’t shape my view of them. And I apply that logic to every profession, race, religion. I don’t let a small few dictate what is really true of whole group. Not every black person is a gang banger. Not every white person racist honky. Not every Indian runs a 7/11. Not every middle eastern is a terrorist. I recommend you rethink letting stereotypes shape your views.

I mean, it isn't a hobby, if you knew a thing or two outside of your United States, or travelled you'd know police is corrupt in other countries even more..
And why are you using those stereotypes? Black people are gang bangers? Who said black people are gang bangers? Who said only Indians run a 7/11? Apu from Simpsons? Who said Middle Easterns are terrorists? You seem a bit brainwashed and racist truthfully to even think that about those ethnicities. Pretty sad. Terrorists can be white people as well, or indian or black. White people can be gang bangers also. Black people can be racist too. Middle Easterns can also run 7/11. I've never categorized like that. For you to generalize and think that way is pretty closed minded. Stop watching South park, CNN and the simpsons and travel a bit. Cheers!

I travel plenty. Didn’t know travel was a prerequisite to being worldly and knowledgeable. You tackle every countries small % of problems that are molehills and keep turning them into mountains — and use those mountains to shape your views.

[illuminati666]

Hayes was ofc more in the wrong, he was drunk and acting up. Don't get physical with the cops and it would've been fine.

At the same time I agree with most, the cops need to do a better job of de-escalating. Instead of continuously telling him he's wrong, the officer should have tried to explain WHY they didn't need a warrant. If he just explained that may have prevented this. Also instead of everyone reaching for him then quietly saying he's being detained, make it clear that you are detaining him and he will be put in cuffs. If people start randomly grabbing at you for apparantly no reason, you're going to resist.

At the end of the day, as an authoritative body the cops have much more responsibility to ensure situations don't end up like this. There are many idiots in the world, you need to know how to deal with them or you're pointless.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He's not at fault, he's right.

They wanted to search his house without a warrant. They wanted to skirt the law to get inside. They should lose their jobs for it.

[RapsFan2000]

You are trying to tackle corruption in every country? You need a better hobby.

I don’t bleed blue. I believe in everyone being better. Doesn’t matter your profession, race, religion or team you cheer for. Can’t we all just be better?

I also believe a very small minority of cops are racist and/or corrupt. Should the small % even be smaller? Always.

But the small % doesn’t shape my view of them. And I apply that logic to every profession, race, religion. I don’t let a small few dictate what is really true of whole group. Not every black person is a gang banger. Not every white person racist honky. Not every Indian runs a 7/11. Not every middle eastern is a terrorist. I recommend you rethink letting stereotypes shape your views.

I mean, it isn't a hobby, if you knew a thing or two outside of your United States, or travelled you'd know police is corrupt in other countries even more..
And why are you using those stereotypes? Black people are gang bangers? Who said black people are gang bangers? Who said only Indians run a 7/11? Apu from Simpsons? Who said Middle Easterns are terrorists? You seem a bit brainwashed and racist truthfully to even think that about those ethnicities. Pretty sad. Terrorists can be white people as well, or indian or black. White people can be gang bangers also. Black people can be racist too. Middle Easterns can also run 7/11. I've never categorized like that. For you to generalize and think that way is pretty closed minded. Stop watching South park, CNN and the simpsons and travel a bit. Cheers!

I travel plenty. Didn’t know travel was a prerequisite to being worldly and knowledgeable. You tackle every countries small % of problems that are molehills and keep turning them into mountains — and use those mountains to shape your views.

Traveling to countries, knowing people in different countries who tell you about on going issues and knowing the culture actually does uplift your knowledge. Of course everyone who travels isn't gaining knowledge on the countries issues or people, some are Traveling and going to a resort for 7 days and sipping pina coladas. And small % for countries? Molehills? Wow, you really think this world is full of fairies and good guys eh? I shape my views off personal experiences, others experiences and from my research & knowledge. Not simply flipping CNN or being closed minded like some people...

[RapsFan2000]

Why has it become a problem for youth to just listen to cops? Most cops don't want to be dic_ks but get erected by as_ses like him (no pun intended).

This could've gone alot better if he just cooperated...or alot worse smh.

I think he was drunk because he said "you guys are supposed to perterve and select" and then corrected himself by saying "you guys are supposed to protect and serve.

Yeah, henny & weed does that to you and he probably regretted that to a point the next morning. A lot of mistakes occur when you're intoxicated and this one is a prime example. Plus being young, having your friends there, some young kids want to act tough and ignore authorities. It happens and its immaturity clearly.

[Wolveswin]

I mean, it isn't a hobby, if you knew a thing or two outside of your United States, or travelled you'd know police is corrupt in other countries even more..
And why are you using those stereotypes? Black people are gang bangers? Who said black people are gang bangers? Who said only Indians run a 7/11? Apu from Simpsons? Who said Middle Easterns are terrorists? You seem a bit brainwashed and racist truthfully to even think that about those ethnicities. Pretty sad. Terrorists can be white people as well, or indian or black. White people can be gang bangers also. Black people can be racist too. Middle Easterns can also run 7/11. I've never categorized like that. For you to generalize and think that way is pretty closed minded. Stop watching South park, CNN and the simpsons and travel a bit. Cheers!

I travel plenty. Didn’t know travel was a prerequisite to being worldly and knowledgeable. You tackle every countries small % of problems that are molehills and keep turning them into mountains — and use those mountains to shape your views.

Traveling to countries, knowing people in different countries who tell you about on going issues and knowing the culture actually does uplift your knowledge. Of course everyone who travels isn't gaining knowledge on the countries issues or people, some are Traveling and going to a resort for 7 days and sipping pina coladas. And small % for countries? Molehills? Wow, you really think this world is full of fairies and good guys eh? I shape my views off personal experiences, others experiences and from my research & knowledge. Not simply flipping CNN or being closed minded like some people...

You are the only person here name calling and making assumptions. Not too worldly or knowledgeable of you.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If you own the house and say "No", that's good enough.

It's your property, they have no reason to search.

[RapsFan2000]

I travel plenty. Didn’t know travel was a prerequisite to being worldly and knowledgeable. You tackle every countries small % of problems that are molehills and keep turning them into mountains — and use those mountains to shape your views.

Traveling to countries, knowing people in different countries who tell you about on going issues and knowing the culture actually does uplift your knowledge. Of course everyone who travels isn't gaining knowledge on the countries issues or people, some are Traveling and going to a resort for 7 days and sipping pina coladas. And small % for countries? Molehills? Wow, you really think this world is full of fairies and good guys eh? I shape my views off personal experiences, others experiences and from my research & knowledge. Not simply flipping CNN or being closed minded like some people...

You are the only person here name calling and making assumptions. Not too worldly or knowledgeable of you.

You literally just stereotyped and called black people gang bangers, white people racist honkies, Indian people own 7/11 and Middle easterns are terrorists. You are definitely delusional, making your own assumptions, attacking people of ethnicities. Enjoy that privilege.

[Lockdown504090]

Why has it become a problem for youth to just listen to cops? Most cops don't want to be dic_ks but get erected by as_ses like him (no pun intended).

This could've gone alot better if he just cooperated...or alot worse smh.

I think he was drunk because he said "you guys are supposed to perterve and select" and then corrected himself by saying "you guys are supposed to protect and serve.

or maybe he got tased

[W_HAMILTON]

Spoiler:

but whats the alternative? The Victim calls 9/11, the abusive partner refuses to let police inside and police just go home for the abuse to continue?

You have them come outside so you can speak to them both, separately.

That's how I've normally seen such a situation handled.

[HiDef]

He's not at fault, he's right.

They wanted to search his house without a warrant. They wanted to skirt the law to get inside. They should lose their jobs for it.

It wasn't his house. & responding to a domestic violence complaint is not "skirting the law" even if it were.

[Duke4life831]

He's not at fault, he's right.

They wanted to search his house without a warrant. They wanted to skirt the law to get inside. They should lose their jobs for it.

It wasn’t his house and a Domestic Violence call is enough for probable cause to enter the house.

Maybe you should learn the basics before saying someone should lose their jobs.