Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[GutUNC]

In fairness, we are a little too close to the matter. We should probably listen to the Spurs fan who says Derrick White is better then Ben Simmons so we can limit our bias.

The user with Derrick White in his username?

Along with the allusion to Kobe Bryant, yes.

[Bentley1225]

My apologies if this idea is suppose to go in the Simmons MEGA thread but it didn't appear on first two pages. None the less, ill offer this idea on the premise:

-Raptors are comfortable starting Barnes at the 3
-Raptors are comfortable having Simmons start at the 5

To Toronto
-Ben Simmons
-Shake Milton

To Philadelphia
-OG Anunoby
-Goran Dragic
-2023 1st round pick

Why?
-The Raptors believe in Simmons at the 5 and have a solid defensive core with FVV/Barnes/Siakam/Simmons to build around long term. They can move Boucher to the 3 once Siakam is healthy

FVV/Flynn/Bonga?
Trent/Milton/Wainright?
Barnes/Boucher/Watanabe?
Siakam/Achiwura/Dekker
Simmons/Birch/Gillespie?

-The Sixers get a starting SF and a veteran PG whim can start while MAxey and Springer continue to develop.

Dragic/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Joe
Anunoby/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harris/Niang/Reed?/Tolliver?
Embiid/Drummond

[Parataxis]

I really can't see the Raptors doing this. Especially if they're taking in Simmons, they're going to need OG's shooting on the floor.

OG is somebody the Raps strongly value for their future. I can't see them moving him and a first round pick for Simmons. (I'm not going to get into value, but I don't think this meets the Raptor's needs at all).

I think Philly probably should jump on it though; keeps their defence strong, adds shooting, and gives them a pick in the future. That said, with how they've been valuing Simmons, they would probably pass as well.

[SO_MONEY]

My apologies if this idea is suppose to go in the Simmons MEGA thread but it didn't appear on first two pages. None the less, ill offer this idea on the premise:

-Raptors are comfortable starting Barnes at the 3
-Raptors are comfortable having Simmons start at the 5

To Toronto
-Ben Simmons
-Shake Milton

To Philadelphia
-OG Anunoby
-Goran Dragic
-2023 1st round pick

Why?
-The Raptors believe in Simmons at the 5 and have a solid defensive core with FVV/Barnes/Siakam/Simmons to build around long term. They can move Boucher to the 3 once Siakam is healthy

FVV/Flynn/Bonga?
Trent/Milton/Wainright?
Barnes/Boucher/Watanabe?
Siakam/Achiwura/Dekker
Simmons/Birch/Gillespie?

-The Sixers get a starting SF and a veteran PG whim can start while MAxey and Springer continue to develop.

Dragic/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Joe
Anunoby/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harris/Niang/Reed?/Tolliver?
Embiid/Drummond

Honestly, I think OG has more trade value than Simmons.

[BullyKing]

My apologies if this idea is suppose to go in the Simmons MEGA thread but it didn't appear on first two pages. None the less, ill offer this idea on the premise:

-Raptors are comfortable starting Barnes at the 3
-Raptors are comfortable having Simmons start at the 5

To Toronto
-Ben Simmons
-Shake Milton

To Philadelphia
-OG Anunoby
-Goran Dragic
-2023 1st round pick

Why?
-The Raptors believe in Simmons at the 5 and have a solid defensive core with FVV/Barnes/Siakam/Simmons to build around long term. They can move Boucher to the 3 once Siakam is healthy

FVV/Flynn/Bonga?
Trent/Milton/Wainright?
Barnes/Boucher/Watanabe?
Siakam/Achiwura/Dekker
Simmons/Birch/Gillespie?

-The Sixers get a starting SF and a veteran PG whim can start while MAxey and Springer continue to develop.

Dragic/Maxey/Springer
Green/Curry/Joe
Anunoby/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harris/Niang/Reed?/Tolliver?
Embiid/Drummond

Honestly, I think OG has more trade value than Simmons.

That would actually be a really interesting all-in target for the Wolves. Something like the full pick platter with McDaniels, Prince, and Okogie for OG and Boucher.

[E S V L]

One more, now really strong, offer from Memphis:

SAC out: Fox, Bagley
SAC in: JJJ, Clarke, Thybulle, Jones, Rondo, Juancho, picks (as necessary)

PHI out: Simmons, Thybulle
PHI in: Fox, Anderson

MEM out: JJJ, Clarke, Thybulle, Rondo, Jones, Juancho, picks as necessary
MEM in: Simmons, Bagley

Is it close, guys?

[DWhiteMamba]

The Sixers can't get Fox by himself for Simmons. I dunno why Sac is doing this deal just to help Memphis get Simmons (who isn't a great fit either, but that's not the main issue). If Simmons has this kind of value why isn't Sac/Memphis just getting him straight up? Why are they involving the other team?

[E S V L]

The Sixers can't get Fox by himself for Simmons. I dunno why Sac is doing this deal just to help Memphis get Simmons (who isn't a great fit either, but that's not the main issue). If Simmons has this kind of value why isn't Sac/Memphis just getting him straight up? Why are they involving the other team?

You have just ruthlessly executed me and my idea.

[stormi]

One more, now really strong, offer from Memphis:

SAC out: Fox, Bagley
SAC in: JJJ, Clarke, Thybulle, Jones, Rondo, Juancho, picks (as necessary)

PHI out: Simmons, Thybulle
PHI in: Fox, Anderson

MEM out: JJJ, Clarke, Thybulle, Rondo, Jones, Juancho, picks as necessary
MEM in: Simmons, Bagley

Is it close, guys?

Deal.

[stormi]

Simmons for Fox is meh, but the Anderson Thybulle swap pushed it across the line for me.

[stormi]

The Sixers can't get Fox by himself for Simmons. I dunno why Sac is doing this deal just to help Memphis get Simmons (who isn't a great fit either, but that's not the main issue). If Simmons has this kind of value why isn't Sac/Memphis just getting him straight up? Why are they involving the other team?

Hard to say if Morey even wants Fox.

For as an executive as analytics driven as Morey is I wonder what he'd think of Fox's. He hasn't delivered a singular season with green on/off's (red flag), is a below average shooter from three, and is kind of shockingly unimpressive in isolation (51.6th percentile). A Fox - Simmons swap is a major risk for Philadelphia.

[DWhiteMamba]

Whether Morey wants Fox or not, he can't get him. That's pretty clear to me. Fox's value is much higher than Simmons right now.

[zimpy27]

The Sixers can't get Fox by himself for Simmons. I dunno why Sac is doing this deal just to help Memphis get Simmons (who isn't a great fit either, but that's not the main issue). If Simmons has this kind of value why isn't Sac/Memphis just getting him straight up? Why are they involving the other team?

Hard to say if Morey even wants Fox.

For as an executive as analytics driven as Morey is I wonder what he'd think of Fox's. He hasn't delivered a singular season with green on/off's (red flag), is a below average shooter from three, and is kind of shockingly unimpressive in isolation (51.6th percentile). A Fox - Simmons swap is a major risk for Philadelphia.

I think he would. Fox is trading up in impact stats but they aren't at Simmons level yet. In a vacuum Simmons is worth more but considering the situation I think Fox is best Simmons can get back alone as a single player.

I also really like the idea of Anderson on the Sixers.

[stormi]

Whether Morey wants Fox or not, he can't get him. That's pretty clear to me. Fox's value is much higher than Simmons right now.

"To me" being the operative phrasing in your post. And the only thing relevant from it as well.

[DWhiteMamba]

I think that's the consensus of alot of intelligent commentators too, but think what you like.

[Tomjas]

Fox is a massive downgrade from Simmons

Not only is he one of the worst defenders in the nba but his usage rate will have to drop markedly next to Embiid which will tank his scoring

His lack of defence will also put far more pressure on Joel at that end which will impact Embiid’s offence

He’s a below average 3 point shooter and is most effective where Joel & Tobias operate plus he’s not a particularly good passer

If Morey really is an “analytics guy” then Simmons for Fox is an horrendous move

[gambitx777]

In my opinion looking around a couple deals look doable.

Fox and Bagley for Simmons and one of toliver/maxey/thybulle.

Fox for all is flaws is a more than capable point guard and Bagley adds depth to a shallow front court.

This makes sense on several fronts, even though philly fans feel like Simmons is more valuable that's the best they can probably do. Two young players one who's a borderline all-star. But I doubt they take it.

The raptors might be willing to give up OG and filler. But they probably don't take it even with picks.

Pacers can come back with brogdon and stuff again but I doubt that does it.

The Cavs could over sexton and love and every pick from here till the end of the moon but I can imagine that does it.

The grizz and the spurs have interesting offers but it's mostly just quality players and picks but no really big stuff. But again about they take it .

They fact is they wasted their chance and it's probably too late to get max value out if Simmons.

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[Skybox]

I still see Ben for CJ and a pick (or something) making sense for both teams. Powell drops right into CJ’s spot and Ben brings elite defense and ball handling at the 4. CJ is a perfect complement to Embiid…POR has no reason to blow it up and move Dame (unless they continue to stagnate and not make this kind of move NOW).

Ben has huge holes in his game and apparent mentality issues but he’s elite at other things. CJ, IMO, isn’t that different from Dame but he’s played in his shadow and has a dicey injury history- but I still think he’s undervalued. CJ + a first (top 5 protected?) isn’t as unreasonable as Morley and some believe, IMO.

[Tomjas]

In my opinion looking around a couple deals look doable.

Fox and Bagley for Simmons and one of toliver/maxey/thybulle.

Fox for all is flaws is a more than capable point guard and Bagley adds depth to a shallow front court.

This makes sense on several fronts, even though philly fans feel like Simmons is more valuable that's the best they can probably do. Two young players one who's a borderline all-star. But I doubt they take it.

The raptors might be willing to give up OG and filler. But they probably don't take it even with picks.

Pacers can come back with brogdon and stuff again but I doubt that does it.

The Cavs could over sexton and love and every pick from here till the end of the moon but I can imagine that does it.

The grizz and the spurs have interesting offers but it's mostly just quality players and picks but no really big stuff. But again about they take it .

They fact is they wasted their chance and it's probably too late to get max value out if Simmons.

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lol

Bagley is a $10 million reclamation project who would not play a minute on the Sixers

Nice try

[Lovetron Joe]

In my opinion looking around a couple deals look doable.

Fox and Bagley for Simmons and one of toliver/maxey/thybulle.

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Not Tolliver.

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