TMZ: Bodycam footage released from Jaxon Hayes arrest

[AingesBurner]

He's not at fault, he's right.

They wanted to search his house without a warrant. They wanted to skirt the law to get inside. They should lose their jobs for it.

Nope, DV’s supersede warrants.

[LeMasta]

The friend was probably the smartest person in this situation

[Lockdown504090]

Hayes was ofc more in the wrong, he was drunk and acting up. Don't get physical with the cops and it would've been fine.

At the same time I agree with most, the cops need to do a better job of de-escalating. Instead of continuously telling him he's wrong, the officer should have tried to explain WHY they didn't need a warrant. If he just explained that may have prevented this. Also instead of everyone reaching for him then quietly saying he's being detained, make it clear that you are detaining him and he will be put in cuffs. If people start randomly grabbing at you for apparantly no reason, you're going to resist.

At the end of the day, as an authoritative body the cops have much more responsibility to ensure situations don't end up like this. There are many idiots in the world, you need to know how to deal with them or you're pointless.

This. ive been pulled over for no reason 3 times in 3 weeks. 1st cop asked me if i made an illegal u turn, then if i had guns on me then left. Then because I fit a discription of 6'2 black athletic and a beard. Then because they thought I stole a car that was in my driveway.

I work with police for my job, but if i was pissed at my gf and the cops came yelling at me, id probably do worse. They just dont have credibility, and its not our job to fix it.

Hayes was in the wrong, but tons of people are in the wrong and dont get end up like this. The cop absolutely wasnt wrong for doing that, but it didnt need to end up like this and we cant just solely keep blaming the guy whos not supposed to be trained in de-escalation.

Police should really release the footage of good arrests and great interactions with drunk black people where they dont do this. Police do a great job for us sometimes, and they should be praised when they do just as hard as we rage when they are out of pocket.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He's not at fault, he's right.

They wanted to search his house without a warrant. They wanted to skirt the law to get inside. They should lose their jobs for it.

It wasn't his house. & responding to a domestic violence complaint is not "skirting the law" even if it were.

It's his house from my understanding. Nobody's at risk, if the house is in his name he's not the one in the wrong.

[Balls Deep]

This shows me exactly what type of guy he is.. a clown lol. I know plenty of dudes like that.

[W_HAMILTON]

Spoiler:

Police pretty much by definition is a repressive organization. They have the right to break the law in order to protect the law. Why? Because the law says they can do it. So they are not breaking the law. Confusing, but apart from having anarchy, there is no other way.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere, a line marking what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in order to protect the society. Not only that police is allowed to cross that line (relative to other citizens), but they actually HAVE to do it. Otherwise they are not doing their job, they are not getting their salary and they might even get jailed. They don't have a choice. There's shooting or robbery going on - they have to get in. They can't say "You know what, I don't feel like it today."

Aircraft pilot sees that the engine is acting weirdly - he doesn't have to fly and in fact he has to inform appropriate services that something is wrong with the aircraft. In fact if he doesn't do it, he is being negligent and could kill himself and others because of that. The analogy would be that a police officer informs his superiors: "There's a guy trying to shoot his neighbor, it looks dangerous. He seems serious about it and maybe after he shoots the neighbor he will try to shoot me as well. I better leave." And his superior telling him: "Good job, John. You will get a bonus and an employee of the week for this."

Roofer doesn't have to go on the roof in the middle of a tornado.

Delivery truck driver sees fire in front of him as a result of a traffic accident - he is not going to drive through the fire to deliver his toilet paper on time. Police officer would be required to do so (metaphorically).

So I think we are mixing apples and oranges here.

Have you not actually been in a natural disaster or something similar? During hurricanes, when they order mandatory evacuations, they explicitly tell residents that in the case of an emergency, police/fire/medics etc. will not respond.

[Wolveswin]

Traveling to countries, knowing people in different countries who tell you about on going issues and knowing the culture actually does uplift your knowledge. Of course everyone who travels isn't gaining knowledge on the countries issues or people, some are Traveling and going to a resort for 7 days and sipping pina coladas. And small % for countries? Molehills? Wow, you really think this world is full of fairies and good guys eh? I shape my views off personal experiences, others experiences and from my research & knowledge. Not simply flipping CNN or being closed minded like some people...

You are the only person here name calling and making assumptions. Not too worldly or knowledgeable of you.

You literally just stereotyped and called black people gang bangers, white people racist honkies, Indian people own 7/11 and Middle easterns are terrorists. You are definitely delusional, making your own assumptions, attacking people of ethnicities. Enjoy that privilege.

You are incorrect. I said those are stereotype examples. You want to assume I held those beliefs as true because it helps your narrative and your mis guided beliefs that most cops are racist or corrupt.

I stand by everything I said. Try rereading and my stance has never wavered.

[Zombiesonics]

embarrassing for hayes. That man might need some therapy or rehab, I've had close friends who've gotten into brawls with cops and they are usually alcoholics or abusing some other substance. If he doesn't grow up and get mentally stable he'll be out the nba super fast.

[RapsFan2000]

If you own the house and say "No", that's good enough.

It's your property, they have no reason to search.

Well, as others have stated, it was not his home and police got a call for domestic violence. Don't need a warrant.

[RapsFan2000]

You are the only person here name calling and making assumptions. Not too worldly or knowledgeable of you.

You literally just stereotyped and called black people gang bangers, white people racist honkies, Indian people own 7/11 and Middle easterns are terrorists. You are definitely delusional, making your own assumptions, attacking people of ethnicities. Enjoy that privilege.

You are incorrect. I said those are stereotype examples. You want to assume I held those beliefs as true because it helps your narrative and your mis guided beliefs that most cops are racist or corrupt.

I stand by everything I said. Try rereading and my stance has never wavered.

You clearly never said those are stereotype examples, read your **** again buddy. And even if that's the point you want to make, that is not comparable to corrupt cops. Did you see me state that corrupt cops or racist cops are only white? You brought up ethnicities here and idiotic stereotypes. There are CORRUPT COPS, period. Nothing to do with their race or colour... TERRORISTS aren't associated to religion/colour. the same with gang bangers or people who own 7/11. Come on man, you're a racist and it shows. peace.

[Wolveswin]

You literally just stereotyped and called black people gang bangers, white people racist honkies, Indian people own 7/11 and Middle easterns are terrorists. You are definitely delusional, making your own assumptions, attacking people of ethnicities. Enjoy that privilege.

You are incorrect. I said those are stereotype examples. You want to assume I held those beliefs as true because it helps your narrative and your mis guided beliefs that most cops are racist or corrupt.

I stand by everything I said. Try rereading and my stance has never wavered.

You clearly never said those are stereotype examples, read your **** again buddy. And even if that's the point you want to make, that is not comparable to corrupt cops. Did you see me state that corrupt cops or racist cops are only white? You brought up ethnicities here and idiotic stereotypes. There are CORRUPT COPS, period. Nothing to do with their race or colour... TERRORISTS aren't associated to religion/colour. the same with gang bangers or people who own 7/11. Come on man, you're a racist and it shows. peace.

So you lack reading comprehension? You don’t see the word NOT in front of everyone of those examples? Of course you don’t, it doesn’t fit your narrative. It doesn’t fit you reading someone pointing out how your beliefs expressed here are based on stereotypes. Maybe not the exact ones I used as examples, but fair for me to use those analogies when your view on cops presented here is a stereotypical misbelief. So continue trying to spin it so you can feel comfortable in your own skin — you do you and I will stand by unwavering what I said.

Here you go for another attempt at reading comprehension:

But the small % doesn’t shape my view of them. And I apply that logic to every profession, race, religion. I don’t let a small few dictate what is really true of whole group. Not every black person is a gang banger. Not every white person racist honky. Not every Indian runs a 7/11. Not every middle eastern is a terrorist. I recommend you rethink letting stereotypes shape your views.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If you own the house and say "No", that's good enough.

It's your property, they have no reason to search.

Well, as others have stated, it was not his home and police got a call for domestic violence. Don't need a warrant.

His girlfriend was living in the house, but it's in his name from my understanding.

It was an erroneous call, no proof of "domestic violence". She's not cooperating from my understanding.

[azcatz11]

If you own the house and say "No", that's good enough.

It's your property, they have no reason to search.

Well, as others have stated, it was not his home and police got a call for domestic violence. Don't need a warrant.

His girlfriend was living in the house, but it's in his name from my understanding.

It was an erroneous call, no proof of "domestic violence". She's not cooperating from my understanding.

Read the police report. She was screaming at the top of her lungs. The cops had every right to be there

[RapsFan2000]

You are incorrect. I said those are stereotype examples. You want to assume I held those beliefs as true because it helps your narrative and your mis guided beliefs that most cops are racist or corrupt.

I stand by everything I said. Try rereading and my stance has never wavered.

You clearly never said those are stereotype examples, read your **** again buddy. And even if that's the point you want to make, that is not comparable to corrupt cops. Did you see me state that corrupt cops or racist cops are only white? You brought up ethnicities here and idiotic stereotypes. There are CORRUPT COPS, period. Nothing to do with their race or colour... TERRORISTS aren't associated to religion/colour. the same with gang bangers or people who own 7/11. Come on man, you're a racist and it shows. peace.

So you lack reading comprehension? You don’t see the word NOT in front of everyone of those examples? Of course you don’t, it doesn’t fit your narrative. It doesn’t fit you reading someone pointing out how your beliefs expressed here are based on stereotypes. Maybe not the exact ones I used as examples, but fair for me to use those analogies when your view on cops presented here is a stereotypical misbelief. So continue trying to spin it so you can feel comfortable in your own skin — you do you and I will stand by unwavering what I said.

Here you go for another attempt at reading comprehension:

But the small % doesn’t shape my view of them. And I apply that logic to every profession, race, religion. I don’t let a small few dictate what is really true of whole group. Not every black person is a gang banger. Not every white person racist honky. Not every Indian runs a 7/11. Not every middle eastern is a terrorist. I recommend you rethink letting stereotypes shape your views.

Lmao okay racist azz, you do you buddy. Most cops are corrupt pigs and wannabe tough guys with a badge and gun, sorry to say!

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Read the police report. She was screaming at the top of her lungs. The cops had every right to be there

Have a link?

They have a right to be there, just not inside the house without a warrant. Otherwise, they need proof. Not just some random text.

A woman called 911 and said she received “disturbing” text messages from her cousin, who allegedly told her Hayes was “getting loud and violent”

He wasn't even home as it turns out.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/jaxson_hayes_arrest_video_shows_physical_altercation_with_police/s1_127_35721227

[kj_]

The entire situation could have and should have been avoided. The police in this case should have handled this situation completely differently. They would have been able to investigate the “domestic violence” call without escalating the situation. They are poorly trained as a profession because they enter every civilian encounter as if their life is in danger. When you do that, violence - police violence is a common outcome which they feel justified in.

There is a time and place for use of force, but it is not needed nearly as often as police are trained to believe.


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[Kurtz]

If you own the house and say "No", that's good enough.

It's your property, they have no reason to search.

Well, as others have stated, it was not his home and police got a call for domestic violence. Don't need a warrant.

His girlfriend was living in the house, but it's in his name from my understanding.

It was an erroneous call, no proof of "domestic violence". She's not cooperating from my understanding.

I mean neither of us is a lawyer, but common sense should tell you that a domestic violence call supersedes the need for a warrant. Even if the call turns out to be bs afterwards.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I mean neither of us is a lawyer, but common sense should tell you that a domestic violence call supersedes the need for a warrant. Even if the call turns out to be bs afterwards.

He's got rights, they didn't adhere to them.

That's how I see it at least.

[SuppaSlick]

Read the police report. She was screaming at the top of her lungs. The cops had every right to be there

Have a link?

They have a right to be there, just not inside the house without a warrant. Otherwise, they need proof. Not just some random text.

A woman called 911 and said she received “disturbing” text messages from her cousin, who allegedly told her Hayes was “getting loud and violent”

He wasn't even home as it turns out.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/jaxson_hayes_arrest_video_shows_physical_altercation_with_police/s1_127_35721227

That is completely wrong....


Why are so many people commenting on things that are completely out of their depth...

A simple...and I mean SIMPLE google search explains exigent circumstances. If police are acting in good faith (the radio call that appeared to be credible information) then they can enter a place without a warrant to protect and preserve life. If the text was real and he was violent with her and she was in there bleeding in a corner it puts her in further danger to let him back into the house...
https://www.lacriminaldefenseattorney.com/legal-dictionary/e/exigent-circumstances/

You know damn well there would be a civil suit if based on the information the officers had let him go back into the house while they went back to the station and spend hours typing a warrant and she was actually seriously hurt inside....

[minnytola1960]

Well, as others have stated, it was not his home and police got a call for domestic violence. Don't need a warrant.

His girlfriend was living in the house, but it's in his name from my understanding.

It was an erroneous call, no proof of "domestic violence". She's not cooperating from my understanding.

I mean neither of us is a lawyer, but common sense should tell you that a domestic violence call supersedes the need for a warrant. Even if the call turns out to be bs afterwards.

My thoughts exactly - it's just common sense. If someone is being assaulted inside a home and calls or text the police for help, the police should be allowed to enter that particular home to investigate. The logic that the likely perpetrator should be allowed to legally prevent the police from entering the scene of the potential crime, even if he or she is the homeowner, is simply asinine.