MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.5 - What Time Is It?

[Kobewade11]

Man... Chicago let go of Markkanan for a protected 1st, a 2nd and DJJ and Cleveland signed him for around 15 mil a year. For that price or a little more you'd think Miami would have been chasing that hard after acquiring Lowry. That could have been Miami's long term stretch 4 next to Bam.

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Did anyone here actually want to give up a protected first, second, and perhaps even a "little more" for Lauri Markkanen? I sure as hell didnt.

[AirP.]

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Man... Chicago let go of Markkanan for a protected 1st, a 2nd and DJJ and Cleveland signed him for around 15 mil a year. For that price or a little more you'd think Miami would have been chasing that hard after acquiring Lowry. That could have been Miami's long term stretch 4 next to Bam.

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Did anyone here actually want to give up a protected first, second, and perhaps even a "little more" for Lauri Markkanen? I sure as hell didnt.

I would have, him being the 4th or 5th option and fitting in the one starting spot Miami is weakest at, toss in Miami's coaching staff to try to shape him into the right type of PF they needed, especially around the 15-16 million dollar range and it's a no brainer to me vs having Tucker and keeping a late 1st and late 2nd pick.

The SG/SF the Miami Heat couldn't let go of Duncan and gave 90 million for him, the other a PF on a team that wasn't all that good. I'd by far take the PF to complete the starting lineup vs giving Tucker 7+ million. The team would have had to go into the tax this year to get that done though by picking up Iggy's contract and moving him and the picks for Markkanan.

Looking at Duncan and Markkanen last year, I'd probably go with the big doing that vs a wing/SG doing what they did.
Robinson 13.1 pts, 3.5 reb, 1.8 asts, 41% 3pt%, 63% TS%, 113 ORTG, 114 DRTG
Markkanan 13.6 pts, 5.6 reb, .9 ast, 40% 3pt%, 62% TS%, 115 ORTG, 113 DRTG

The big difference in the team would be having Markkanen instead of Tucker for starting PF and being down a 1st and a 2nd. If Miami is "going for it" with Lowry, why not go all in?

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Markkanen sucks

[AirP.]

Markkanen sucks

His stats last year are nearly what Robinson put up but one gets 90 mil from Miami and the other one sucks? If you want to talk defense.... both of them are bad on defense, one just has more size and is a much bigger position of need for Miami.

[Kobewade11]

Markkanen sucks

His stats last year are nearly what Robinson put up but one gets 90 mil from Miami and the other one sucks? If you want to talk defense.... both of them are bad on defense, one just has more size and is a much bigger position of need for Miami.

So why would 2 minus defenders in the starting lineup be a good look?

[gom]

That's a great return for the Bulls.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Markkanen sucks

His stats last year are nearly what Robinson put up but one gets 90 mil from Miami and the other one sucks? If you want to talk defense.... both of them are bad on defense, one just has more size and is a much bigger position of need for Miami.

Lauri is a standstill wide open catch&shoot 3pt shooter and he's not even great at that. Completely different player than Duncan and far inferior. He's also MUCH more of a defensive liability, literally a 7 footer who can't defend the rim or stay with anyone on the perimeter so it's impossible to hide him anywhere

[AirP.]

Markkanen sucks

His stats last year are nearly what Robinson put up but one gets 90 mil from Miami and the other one sucks? If you want to talk defense.... both of them are bad on defense, one just has more size and is a much bigger position of need for Miami.

So why would 2 minus defenders in the starting lineup be a good look?

I would hope by the end of the year you're starting Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, Markkanan and Bam. If Markkanan fits in that's great long term, if not I'd I'd be looking to make a trade package next offseason with some combination of assets of Herro, Robinson, Markkanen and picks. Next summer Miami won't be hardcapped, have Oladipo's Bird rights so he can be retained and Herro, Robinson and Markkanen's salary could have been sent out to return a 40+ million dollar player.

[IggieCC]

My man DJJ be bounced around the league

Blazers came out ok in that deal too.

Larry Nance Jr > Maurkkinen

[MettaWorldPanda]

My man DJJ be bounced around the league

Blazers came out ok in that deal too.

Larry Nance Jr > Maurkkinen

Blazers did really well getting Larry Nance Jr. He'll do well with Dame and CJ getting him the ball.

[SA37]

My man DJJ be bounced around the league

Blazers came out ok in that deal too.

Larry Nance Jr > Maurkkinen

I don't see DJJ sticking around much longer. He really doesn't have a standout skill; he's just really athletic.

He'll be a free agent after this season and, given his age, I imagine someone will take a flyer on him (possibly Miami); however, I think he might find himself out of the league in the next 2-4 years unless he acquires a skill teams can use.

[insfo]

Isn't having a big who can shoot play next to Bam what everyone was looking for? Markkanen definitely fits the bill and would have been great in our system. Oh well, not meant to be.

Just curious, whom do you guys see playing PF on the team long term. Tucker & Morris are most probably 1 or 2 year rentals. Who is the ideal big to play with Bam?

I'd vote of either Myles Turner or Mo Bamba. Bamba will be more of a project, but I like him a lot. What other choices are out there?

[IggieCC]

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This guy would be perfect next to Bam. Too bad he plays for the Hawks and we can only dream

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This guy would be perfect next to Bam. Too bad he plays for the Hawks and we can only dream

yea but at least we have Bol Bol

[Wiltside]

Love gonna be bought out. He’s def heading to LA or some chit isn’t he smh.

[3ballbomber]

Bam is not a go to scorer now and probably won't ever be. He has athletic ability and a jumper, that's pretty much it. He is a very good scorer in the offense that doesn't have to be fed. I have no idea where all of the people on this board think he can just become a go to scorer, he doesn't have that mindset now and probably won't ever be in his mindset. That being said, he's getting around 20 a night without the team having to run a bunch of plays for him to score, that's HIGHLY valuable, especially when you start adding better players around him. Miami's go to scorers are going to be Butler(not in facilitator mode), Oladipo, Herro and Lowry and probably in that order when everyone is healthy.

For me, I'll be good with Bam if he can add range to his jumper for a 3pt shot and also some actual solid moves in the low post to punish teams going small.

I've been skeptical of Bam's mindset & toughness but i'm not going to count it out just yet until i see how they utilize him this season. W/ Riley wanting Spo to use Adebayo differently on offense i believe he'll be urged to look for his own shot more often this season. We'll see what comes of this.

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[3ballbomber]

Love gonna be bought out. He’s def heading to LA or some chit isn’t he smh.

Good, they can have him. They're building disappointment over there. Every move they make stinks of desperation that'll get them quickly to nowhere. It's comical.

[SA37]

Bam is not a go to scorer now and probably won't ever be. He has athletic ability and a jumper, that's pretty much it. He is a very good scorer in the offense that doesn't have to be fed. I have no idea where all of the people on this board think he can just become a go to scorer, he doesn't have that mindset now and probably won't ever be in his mindset. That being said, he's getting around 20 a night without the team having to run a bunch of plays for him to score, that's HIGHLY valuable, especially when you start adding better players around him. Miami's go to scorers are going to be Butler(not in facilitator mode), Oladipo, Herro and Lowry and probably in that order when everyone is healthy.

For me, I'll be good with Bam if he can add range to his jumper for a 3pt shot and also some actual solid moves in the low post to punish teams going small.

I've been skeptical of Bam's mindset & toughness but i'm not going to count it out just yet until i see how they utilize him this season. W/ Riley wanting Spo to use Adebayo differently on offense i believe he'll be urged to look for his own shot more often this season. We'll see what comes of this.

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I think Bam's "issue" is similar to Robinson's "issue": Spoelstra.

Robinson said in an interview that Spoelstra and the coaching staff pretty much wanted him to jack up ~8-10 3s per game and weren't really too worried about the quality of those shots. He didn't say he was prohibited from shooting 2s, but his role was to shoot 3s and he was suppose to do everything in his power to get behind the line and get those shots up.

Bam has likely been given a certain set of instructions as far as his role on offense is concerned and he has probably just executed those orders. If he is being asked to facilitate and get a lot of his shots from pick and roll/pop (as a 2nd or 3rd option), he is going to have less opportunities than if where allowed to go one-on-one.

Some of you may remember that I mentioned Miami's pathetic offensive output last year. I don't remember the exact count, but Miami had ~15 games where it failed to reach 100 and ~ 6-7 where it failed to even get to 90 points (Miami finished 25th in scoring). In this high-scoring league, with the roster Miami had -- despite Iguodala and his outrageously pathetic offensive output -- there can only be one possible culprit for such dismal offensive production: the coach.

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[Kobewade11]

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