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[crowhead76]

Hammond literally tried to resign Brandon Jennings and trade the Giannis pick for Josh Smith.

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

As thankful as we all are for the drafting of Giannis and trading for Khris, does anyone believe that Hammond turns the 2016-17 roster into eventual NBA Champions?

Also, there seems to be a lack of credit to Horst to resign both Khris and Giannis, especially Giannis as it may have been one of the most difficult resignings in the history of the NBA as he was the most coveted player and teams were doing backflips to make room for him. Giannis spoke specifically about his relationship with Horst when he resigned.

Hammond provided the groundwork, Horst engineered a championship roster.

[Daver]

Hammond literally tried to resign Brandon Jennings and trade the Giannis pick for Josh Smith.

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

As thankful as we all are for the drafting of Giannis and trading for Khris, does anyone believe that Hammond turns the 2016-17 roster into eventual NBA Champions?

Also, there seems to be a lack of credit to Horst to resign both Khris and Giannis, especially Giannis as it may have been one of the most difficult resignings in the history of the NBA as he was the most coveted player and teams were doing backflips to make room for him. Giannis spoke specifically about his relationship with Horst when he resigned.

Hammond provided the groundwork, Horst engineered a championship roster.

Dont think horst will ever be appreciated by this board no matter what hes accomplished.
I mean every year the bucks dont look good its fire horst signs a guy who doesnt work out its horst sucks can his ass.
Some of his decisions havnt worked out(im sure you can say that with every NBA gm) but the hate he gets on this board is amazing almost as much hate for anyone that says that DDV is not a starting 2 guard.

[WiscoKing13]

I'm terrible with bird rights. Can anyone help me out what we can pay Semi or Hood if they have break out seasons like Bobby did last year and Brook did two years ago?

Safe to assume we can only use the tax MLE or Biannual?

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[raferfenix]

Would be interested in a retrospective of worst Hammond moves.

Not sure if we can count non-moves like chasing Josh Smith, however, pairing Monta Ellis with Jennings and then trading Tobes for Redick (because who cares about defense I guess) was some real GM’ing.

[HKPackFan]

Hammond is quietly smiling by a palm tree somewhere in FL marveling at this beautiful championship run.

He knows he had a hand in it and he brought in the cornerstones. He was also very important in making sure baby Giannis was cared for and making him feel at home those early days without his family. He was calling and checking on Giannis daily.

Hammond deserves credit for it absolutely and I'm sure he's thrilled. He wasn't a successful GM but he did get that right and deserves praise.



Horst rightly deserves tons of credit of changing up and upgrading the roster quickly and getting the right guys and the right attitudes on board. I also like he didn't waste too much time when someone didn't work out, he moved on quickly.

And the biggest balls to the wall roll the dice, overpay trade of all time. All chips in, championship or bust trade move. He got Giannis to sign, brought Jrue in and got him to sign.

Now the world knows Jrue is one of the top 5 defenders in the NBA.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'm terrible with bird rights. Can anyone help me out what we can pay Semi or Hood if they have break out seasons like Bobby did last year and Brook did two years ago?

Safe to assume we can only use the tax MLE or Biannual?

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Yes, tax MLE. BAE would trigger the hardcap, which would cause more problems.

[ShootingtheJ]

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

As thankful as we all are for the drafting of Giannis and trading for Khris, does anyone believe that Hammond turns the 2016-17 roster into eventual NBA Champions?

Also, there seems to be a lack of credit to Horst to resign both Khris and Giannis, especially Giannis as it may have been one of the most difficult resignings in the history of the NBA as he was the most coveted player and teams were doing backflips to make room for him. Giannis spoke specifically about his relationship with Horst when he resigned.

Hammond provided the groundwork, Horst engineered a championship roster.

Dont think horst will ever be appreciated by this board no matter what hes accomplished.
I mean every year the bucks dont look good its fire horst signs a guy who doesnt work out its horst sucks can his ass.
Some of his decisions havnt worked out(im sure you can say that with every NBA gm) but the hate he gets on this board is amazing almost as much hate for anyone that says that DDV is not a starting 2 guard.

It's interesting that someone can simultaneously be impressed with Horst while thinking Donte, Horsts 1 true 1st round draft pick, isn't a high caliber player. Not judging, just find it interesting.

I like Horst, but that is in part because I feel there are no true great GMs. Presti is absolutely masterful at acquiring value, but hasn't shown he's can put the finishing touches on a championship team.

[crowhead76]

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[Wonka]

I wish the Grizzlies would send ME a million bucks…

[BigO]

Hammond literally tried to resign Brandon Jennings and trade the Giannis pick for Josh Smith.

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

As thankful as we all are for the drafting of Giannis and trading for Khris, does anyone believe that Hammond turns the 2016-17 roster into eventual NBA Champions?

Also, there seems to be a lack of credit to Horst to resign both Khris and Giannis, especially Giannis as it may have been one of the most difficult resignings in the history of the NBA as he was the most coveted player and teams were doing backflips to make room for him. Giannis spoke specifically about his relationship with Horst when he resigned.

Hammond provided the groundwork, Horst engineered a championship roster.

We can debate whether Horst is responsible for bringing a championship, but it is not debatable that without Hammonds there is no championship.

[chonestown]

I wish the Grizzlies would send ME a million bucks…

Low-effort posts that hit are some of my favorite posts.

Recognize game.

[crowhead76]

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

As thankful as we all are for the drafting of Giannis and trading for Khris, does anyone believe that Hammond turns the 2016-17 roster into eventual NBA Champions?

Also, there seems to be a lack of credit to Horst to resign both Khris and Giannis, especially Giannis as it may have been one of the most difficult resignings in the history of the NBA as he was the most coveted player and teams were doing backflips to make room for him. Giannis spoke specifically about his relationship with Horst when he resigned.

Hammond provided the groundwork, Horst engineered a championship roster.

We can debate whether Horst is responsible for bringing a championship, but it is not debatable that without Hammonds there is no championship.

Neither are debatable, but your arrogance is certainly noted.

[emunney]

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

As thankful as we all are for the drafting of Giannis and trading for Khris, does anyone believe that Hammond turns the 2016-17 roster into eventual NBA Champions?

Also, there seems to be a lack of credit to Horst to resign both Khris and Giannis, especially Giannis as it may have been one of the most difficult resignings in the history of the NBA as he was the most coveted player and teams were doing backflips to make room for him. Giannis spoke specifically about his relationship with Horst when he resigned.

Hammond provided the groundwork, Horst engineered a championship roster.

We can debate whether Horst is responsible for bringing a championship, but it is not debatable that without Hammonds there is no championship.

This argument rests on the assumption that Hammond is literally the only person who would have drafted Giannis.

[BigO]

As thankful as we all are for the drafting of Giannis and trading for Khris, does anyone believe that Hammond turns the 2016-17 roster into eventual NBA Champions?

Also, there seems to be a lack of credit to Horst to resign both Khris and Giannis, especially Giannis as it may have been one of the most difficult resignings in the history of the NBA as he was the most coveted player and teams were doing backflips to make room for him. Giannis spoke specifically about his relationship with Horst when he resigned.

Hammond provided the groundwork, Horst engineered a championship roster.

We can debate whether Horst is responsible for bringing a championship, but it is not debatable that without Hammonds there is no championship.

This argument rests on the assumption that Hammond is literally the only person who would have drafted Giannis.

No, certainly someone would have drafted Giannis, but the odds that it would have been a different Bucks coach are odds I wouldn't want to bet on.
After the fact there is of course all these teams that say they liked Giannis, but my guess is he might have lasted till the second round.

And of course, the combination of drafting Giannis and at relatively the same time trading for a second rounder from Detroit (Middleton) are not likely to say the least. Two of the greatest GM moves by any GM at any time.

[Baddy Chuck]

Hammond literally tried to resign Brandon Jennings and trade the Giannis pick for Josh Smith.

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

Who is making things up? The Josh Smith thing was widely reported that we had a deal on the table, including the Giannis pick, all the way up until the last minute where Danny Ferry turned it down and Brandon Jennings had a contract extension on the table from us that he turned down. Assuming they planned to resign JJ after trading Tobes for him that would have made our roster Jennings/Monta/Redick/Josh Smith.

Hammond had a decent eye for talent I suppose. Even he admits he didn't see "this" with Giannis when they drafted him. He certainly "lucked" into any praise that should be sent his way after showing a COMPLETE inability to build an NBA franchise, now doing so in a different stop to just kinda further the narrative. Isiah Thomas wasn't a good GM because he drafted Tracy McGrady. Ryan McDonough doesn't deserve praise because he drafted the Suns core. Hammond sucked.

[LittleRooster]

Hammond literally tried to resign Brandon Jennings and trade the Giannis pick for Josh Smith.

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

Who is making things up? The Josh Smith thing was widely reported that we had a deal on the table, including the Giannis pick, all the way up until the last minute where Danny Ferry turned it down and Brandon Jennings had a contract extension on the table from us that he turned down. Assuming they planned to resign JJ after trading Tobes for him that would have made our roster Jennings/Monta/Redick/Josh Smith.

Hammond had a decent eye for talent I suppose. Even he admits he didn't see "this" with Giannis when they drafted him. He certainly "lucked" into any praise that should be sent his way after showing a COMPLETE inability to build an NBA franchise, now doing so in a different stop to just kinda further the narrative. Isiah Thomas wasn't a good GM because he drafted Tracy McGrady. Ryan McDonough doesn't deserve praise because he drafted the Suns core. Hammond sucked.

Yes this. It literally was on the table and if it had been up to Hammond, it would have happened.

Hell, we had many a thread on this at the time


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[BigO]

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

Who is making things up? The Josh Smith thing was widely reported that we had a deal on the table, including the Giannis pick, all the way up until the last minute where Danny Ferry turned it down and Brandon Jennings had a contract extension on the table from us that he turned down. Assuming they planned to resign JJ after trading Tobes for him that would have made our roster Jennings/Monta/Redick/Josh Smith.

Hammond had a decent eye for talent I suppose. Even he admits he didn't see "this" with Giannis when they drafted him. He certainly "lucked" into any praise that should be sent his way after showing a COMPLETE inability to build an NBA franchise, now doing so in a different stop to just kinda further the narrative. Isiah Thomas wasn't a good GM because he drafted Tracy McGrady. Ryan McDonough doesn't deserve praise because he drafted the Suns core. Hammond sucked.

Yes this. It literally was on the table and if it had been up to Hammond, it would have happened.

Hell, we had many a thread on this at the time


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Oh, there was a thread about it. It must be true.

Tie yourself into as many knots as you want. Without Hammonds, no championship.

Hammonds was a great guy, but he also was caught with meddling owners. First kohl, who was getting old and demanded short term fixes/trades. Then LED (mainly Lasry) who demanded Kidd.

[Baddy Chuck]

Hammonds was a great guy

He sure was. Some say the greatest of guys. I'll definitely give you that.

[randy84]

Hammond literally tried to resign Brandon Jennings and trade the Giannis pick for Josh Smith.

Hint-making things up doesn't make something factual.

Who is making things up? The Josh Smith thing was widely reported that we had a deal on the table, including the Giannis pick, all the way up until the last minute where Danny Ferry turned it down and Brandon Jennings had a contract extension on the table from us that he turned down. Assuming they planned to resign JJ after trading Tobes for him that would have made our roster Jennings/Monta/Redick/Josh Smith.

Hammond had a decent eye for talent I suppose. Even he admits he didn't see "this" with Giannis when they drafted him. He certainly "lucked" into any praise that should be sent his way after showing a COMPLETE inability to build an NBA franchise, now doing so in a different stop to just kinda further the narrative. Isiah Thomas wasn't a good GM because he drafted Tracy McGrady. Ryan McDonough doesn't deserve praise because he drafted the Suns core. Hammond sucked.

If I recall it was a heavily protected first round pick because Josh Smith was going to be a free agent. So it may or may not have been the "Giannis pick".

[Baddy Chuck]

If I recall it was a heavily protected first round pick because Josh Smith was going to be a free agent. So it may or may not have been the "Giannis pick".

Don't remember anything about "heavily" protected, remember most speculation being lottery since we were so hard on for a playoff spot, but in any sense it just goes to show their investment towards the future at the time. Take Monta Ellis instead of Curry, try to trade for Josh freakin Smith, give up Tobes for JJ Redick.

Hammond sucked. He was certainly hamstrung to some (maybe even large) extent like a lot of GM's are but he stunk. Hell, he still stinks at being a GM.