TMZ: Bodycam footage released from Jaxon Hayes arrest

[GamecockFan1024]

Hayes is completely in the wrong here wow. What an absolute bum.

[Johnny Bball]

Dude is going to jail, he was drunk and assaulted a cop. Hope it was worth it and you can get another contract in China or Europe.

Your the worst the worst when it comes to any post about any of this kind of stuff. He’s not going to jail. That’s such rubbish.

[AingesBurner]

Dude is going to jail, he was drunk and assaulted a cop. Hope it was worth it and you can get another contract in China or Europe.

Your the worst the worst when it comes to any post about any of this kind of stuff. He’s not going to jail. That’s such rubbish.

You’re and sorry but he deserves to go to jail.

[Onlytimewilltel]

Hayes is clearly an idiot, as he’s shown before. Cops could have also done a better job, but Hayes made that worse by not simply staying put as he was told and letting them talk to his girl alone. Of course they don’t want him around when they talk to her as it’s a lot more likely that the abused person will just not cooperate out of fear if the other party is around.

[Fable]

370 police officers died in USA last year while on duty. Here's a few of them for you to consider:

I mean, I'm with the cops in this particular incident, but there's no doubt American police are overly paranoid and treat every citizen as a threat. Being a cop isn't even in the top 20 most dangerous jobs per capita in the U.S., but the narrative around cops seems to be that their over-aggression is necessary because of how dangerous their job is. Here are some more dangerous jobs in the US:

Aircraft pilots
Roofers
Garbage collectors
Delivery drivers
Farmers
Crossing guards
Cement masons

And there are many more. But we would never excuse overly aggressive driving against civilians by a delivery truck driver even though their job is almost twice as likely to result in a casualty as police officers. American cops really do get way too much leeway with how paranoid they are, and with how aggressively they treat civilians.

But all-in-all in this particular case, I thought they handled themselves pretty well. The only real fault was the idiot whose bodycam is taking the video, who goes and tries to grab Hayes' arm from behind, thus escalating the situation. They did issue Hayes lawful orders but didn't issue him a warning to back up when he began approaching the house, the cop just tried to grab him.

And those jobs you quoted are more dangerous than the US police and the US Military which is serving in warzones of Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq. What's your point? Police officers also have a far greater chance of grievous and life-changing injuries.

[Wolveswin]

Here is a honest question:

Will we ever see a highly popular public figure from sports or entertainment or social media (and any combination of someone who crosses over all platforms), create a joint public service campaign with law enforcement agency (or oversight committee), in which the focus is educating the public (citizens) on how to be better within their interactions with law enforcement (when such an occasion arises)?

The campaign would be for everyone. Not focused on a race or religion or social economic base. Could the tide of improvement raise all boats to a goal of better and safer society?

This is NOT ignoring the need for law enforcement to be better (more training, more tools, better methods), rather a focus on the other side of the equation.

The purpose would be to create awareness, reach the public in a forum that will help educate and encourage a healthier relationship in what is policing our citizens. We are in this together, all can be better.

[ItsDanger]

Do not follow police orders and this results. Hayes comes off as immature, his attitude outside the house appeared suspicious. Normally you'd expect a person to learn from this, but I doubt it.

[ShazamDaShiznt]

He's got a career in front of him and he can't handle a tense situation with the police. If I am Pelicans I am hoping this guy has a good statistical season and ship him away.

[lakerz12]

The police are an institution, and a whole institution can end up corrupt even if a small minority of ppl are the corrupt ones in said institution...

A capful of bleach or a gallon of bleach, either way the water is now compromised. A corrupt Sargent/Chief is going to have great influence throughout his precent. I'm sure you yourself have seen plenty of police coverups, wrongdoings, even crimes that cops have committed where the police themselves stood beside their fellow man because cops stick together.

I totally disagree with you that it's a small minority of bad cops, it's probably closer to the other end of the spectrum that only a minority of cops are the "good guys" especially when it comes to enforcing themselves.

The term thin blue line that the police coin themselves proves they see it as us against them

Just not accurate...

“The "thin blue line" is a term that typically refers to the concept of the police as the line which keeps society from descending into violent chaos.[1]”

[1] Wall, Tyler (2019). "The police invention of humanity: Notes on the "thin blue line"". Crime Media Culture. 16 (3): 319–336.

"Critics argue that the "thin blue line" represents an "us versus them" mindset that heightens tensions between officers and citizens and negatively influences police-community interactions by setting police apart from society at large"

Critics may argue that. That doesn't make them right. And that has nothing to do with your original statement.

You said "the term thin blue line that the police coin themselves proves they see it as us against them" - - - - meaning you think that the police view the term that way and they "see it as us against them". . .

You were trying to define the police perspective.

And I'm showing you that the origination of the term is not that. It is actually the idea that the police are protecting society from going into chaos.

What critics say or how you interpret the phrase is another story.

[Phystic]

I know where you're coming from, but this one is more problematic than your usual laws because it's so easy to frame somebody this way, and on top of that it discourages you from calling the cops if you're that girl and you have drugs in the house. Imagine if she did, because she's a user or a dealer, and then she doesn't wanna call the cops because of that, and then this guy kills her? Nah, you gotta make rules to protect a person from taking that risk of hoping that the violent partner is gonna calm down.

but whats the alternative? The Victim calls 9/11, the abusive partner refuses to let police inside and police just go home for the abuse to continue?

No, the alternative is police can enter, but there's a law prohibiting the state from persecuting you for anything illegal going on in the private property but the domestic violence. Which I like to believe is the actual case, just like when they find drugs in your trunk but they had no warrant to look at your trunk. But I don't know the law.

So you're telling me if a cop has a warrant or probable cause to say look in your car for drugs, and finds a human foot under your seat they shouldn't be able to charge the person for that crime because they were only looking for drugs?

Crimes are crimes

[Cubbies2120]

So Mr Hayes owns the house & the gf Lives there ? Seems Like that makes things more complicated

His ex doesnt live there anymore I hope....


If a woman calls the cop on you it’s over...with good cause.

She can’t trust you with her life and now you can’t trust her with yours.(barring mental illness)

And I’m saying a woman should call if she feels in danger...but she should move on if she feels she is living with a threat

Doesn't always work like that though. We were in domestic violence shelters for a couple months 15 years ago (I was ~14) after we left our father, and that was one of the first things they told us - how often women go back to their abusers. Met a woman at one that her boyfriend had chased her around the house with a knife and ended up slicing her hand...and that was months before she left him.

To anyone looking from the outside, it's insane.

[Cubbies2120]

but whats the alternative? The Victim calls 9/11, the abusive partner refuses to let police inside and police just go home for the abuse to continue?

No, the alternative is police can enter, but there's a law prohibiting the state from persecuting you for anything illegal going on in the private property but the domestic violence. Which I like to believe is the actual case, just like when they find drugs in your trunk but they had no warrant to look at your trunk. But I don't know the law.

So you're telling me if a cop has a warrant or probable cause to say look in your car for drugs, and finds a human foot under your seat they shouldn't be able to charge the person for that crime because they were only looking for drugs?

Crimes are crimes

I'm fine with that, but only if there are consequences for the warrantless search if nothing is found. For example, if you walk into my house and find nothing.

The system is able to be abused severely with no consequences. Say I don't like you, and every week I call the police from a burner (or even easier, have one of my homies from overseas do it through an online service) saying I heard a cry for help from your house (some variation of it). You gonna be cool with the cops coming in the middle of the night asking to search your place?

It's a delicate balance. I'm still over here wondering how the girlfriend was able to get away with texting her friend, but not calling 911 (and keeping silent - they send the cops in that case). Or even better, texting 911 instead of her friend. What if the friend misunderstood the situation?

[Dominator83]

but whats the alternative? The Victim calls 9/11, the abusive partner refuses to let police inside and police just go home for the abuse to continue?

No, the alternative is police can enter, but there's a law prohibiting the state from persecuting you for anything illegal going on in the private property but the domestic violence. Which I like to believe is the actual case, just like when they find drugs in your trunk but they had no warrant to look at your trunk. But I don't know the law.

So you're telling me if a cop has a warrant or probable cause to say look in your car for drugs, and finds a human foot under your seat they shouldn't be able to charge the person for that crime because they were only looking for drugs?

Crimes are crimes

Haha. Right? They have a warrant to search for drugs but end up instead finding a half dozen women chained up in the basement. But by law they have to just pretend they didn't see it? Lol

[Cubbies2120]

No, the alternative is police can enter, but there's a law prohibiting the state from persecuting you for anything illegal going on in the private property but the domestic violence. Which I like to believe is the actual case, just like when they find drugs in your trunk but they had no warrant to look at your trunk. But I don't know the law.

So you're telling me if a cop has a warrant or probable cause to say look in your car for drugs, and finds a human foot under your seat they shouldn't be able to charge the person for that crime because they were only looking for drugs?

Crimes are crimes

Haha. Right? They have a warrant to search for drugs but end up instead finding a half dozen women chained up in the basement. But by law they have to just pretend they didn't see it? Lol

I think that's a little different than finding a baggie of coke on the table and now you're going to prison for years because of our outdated drug laws. Equating finding murder victims to finding drugs is arguing in bad faith. If we want to take it to extremes, then if a kid goes missing in your neighborhood, the cops should have free reign to enter your property without your permission at any time they want. In the interest of public safety, of course!

[CS707]

Dude’s voice got high real quick when they put him on the ground.

[bwgood77]

Looks like everyone wanted to show that they're the man... If you are completely with anyone in this, it says a lot about yourself and your inherent bias.

Jaxon Hayes was an ****. I just don't understand that type of behaviour. I personally try to be nice and not confrontational with people in general. It baffles me that people can act like that with any type of person in authority.

BUT some police are so bad at de-escalating situations. It's your job to deal with ****, be a professional about it. You should be expecting it and be the bigger man. They could have explained to him why he was mistaken and try to speak calmly.

They could have done a better job of explaining the situation but they were surprisingly calm throughout. And I dont blame them for not taking the time to explain. Theyre on a domestic violence call, and the person who may be a threat to the caller is drunk and belligerent and refusing to cooperate. Also didnt take Hayes friend any time to figure out what the cops were there for and how to respond

On a domestic violence call they may be trained not to say it's a domestic violence call as that may make things worse in the future. But if a girl felt threatened enough to tell her friend to call the police they have to take it very seriously. He wasn't very in control either..he could ask what it's about, etc.

[Dominator83]

So you're telling me if a cop has a warrant or probable cause to say look in your car for drugs, and finds a human foot under your seat they shouldn't be able to charge the person for that crime because they were only looking for drugs?

Crimes are crimes

Haha. Right? They have a warrant to search for drugs but end up instead finding a half dozen women chained up in the basement. But by law they have to just pretend they didn't see it? Lol

I think that's a little different than finding a baggie of coke on the table and now you're going to prison for years because of our outdated drug laws. Equating finding murder victims to finding drugs is arguing in bad faith. If we want to take it to extremes, then if a kid goes missing in your neighborhood, the cops should have free reign to enter your property without your permission at any time they want. In the interest of public safety, of course!

Yea well someone specifically said that discovering a crime outside of the warrant should be dismissed. My example is a crime outside the warrant. And to go less extreme, how about a warrant for drugs but they find illegal guns? Should that be let go too?

[FreeSpiritNY]

The police are an institution, and a whole institution can end up corrupt even if a small minority of ppl are the corrupt ones in said institution...

A capful of bleach or a gallon of bleach, either way the water is now compromised. A corrupt Sargent/Chief is going to have great influence throughout his precent. I'm sure you yourself have seen plenty of police coverups, wrongdoings, even crimes that cops have committed where the police themselves stood beside their fellow man because cops stick together.

I totally disagree with you that it's a small minority of bad cops, it's probably closer to the other end of the spectrum that only a minority of cops are the "good guys" especially when it comes to enforcing themselves.

The term thin blue line that the police coin themselves proves they see it as us against them

So a cop supposedly breaking the law “ we don’t have the full story” now means it’s ok to attack a cop? They pleaded and begged him to calm down and stop.


I have had sheet like that happens me I just didn’t know enough to video and sue later on. But I didn’t put my hands on a cop.I also let them conduct there search and then told them they were violating my rights. It was the nigh if the super bowl and they found large steak knives in my car and guess what both cops loss there jobs. They had 0 right to conduct a search.


The problem here is how you handle a situation you have to be smarter then the person next to you who ever that is. Life is like chess you always have to be one move ahead of the person making there move.


I hope in this video people also realize that the full story isn’t here. How do you know his gf or wife didn’t call them and say Hayes is drunk acting wild and she said she didn’t feel safe that kid is 7ft talk. Please think before you call someone racist and realize the whole story isn’t here I’m not siding with anyone just pointing out facts that people like to forget.

I never once commented on the video or what happened in it. Was just replying to that particular comment

I was agreeing with you. Believing all cops are bad are like saying Black people all steal and white people are perverts...

It’s the same thing. Because of one persons action it doesn’t make a entity in whole bad.


Also you never put hands on a cop. It’s never ended well for anyone.

[tekkon]

Should of listened to his buddy.

That's a good friend. He was doing what he could to keep Hayes out of trouble.

Peeps always go on about how athletes should have associates around to handle their mess, but if the athlete won't listen there isn't much they can do.

True, this incident can land him out of the league.

With a sister who was battered by her boyfriend recently, I'm glad the cops take these things seriously

[Phystic]

No, the alternative is police can enter, but there's a law prohibiting the state from persecuting you for anything illegal going on in the private property but the domestic violence. Which I like to believe is the actual case, just like when they find drugs in your trunk but they had no warrant to look at your trunk. But I don't know the law.

So you're telling me if a cop has a warrant or probable cause to say look in your car for drugs, and finds a human foot under your seat they shouldn't be able to charge the person for that crime because they were only looking for drugs?

Crimes are crimes

I'm fine with that, but only if there are consequences for the warrantless search if nothing is found. For example, if you walk into my house and find nothing.

The system is able to be abused severely with no consequences. Say I don't like you, and every week I call the police from a burner (or even easier, have one of my homies from overseas do it through an online service) saying I heard a cry for help from your house (some variation of it). You gonna be cool with the cops coming in the middle of the night asking to search your place?

It's a delicate balance. I'm still over here wondering how the girlfriend was able to get away with texting her friend, but not calling 911 (and keeping silent - they send the cops in that case). Or even better, texting 911 instead of her friend. What if the friend misunderstood the situation?

No I wouldn't be Ok with it but it's not the cops fault. Theyre following up on a call.

You gonna be ok if cops start Ignoring calls because They could be fake?