Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Bornstellar]

Are the posters who kept saying that Ben never said anything himself and expected him to be on the team next season changing their tunes now?

I've been a skeptic. I haven't said Ben never said anything himself just that I wasn't ready to let the narrative run wild and that I thought Philly should keep him if like CJ and a first was the best offer.

And yes, I'm taking this latest report more seriously. And freely admit that it's quite likely I was too resistant to how bad the situation was.

Having seen the Kawhi situation unfold, I figured there was fire to the smoke. When you have all these rumors surrounding your star player wanting out and he does literally nothing to dispel them, that is not a good sign at all

Feel bad for Sixers fans sort of, but this is a different situation than the Kawhi fiasco, and they kinda did it to themselves by throwing him under the bus to the media, along with the fans openly booing him.

[The Sebastian Express]

Are the posters who kept saying that Ben never said anything himself and expected him to be on the team next season changing their tunes now?

I've been a skeptic. I haven't said Ben never said anything himself just that I wasn't ready to let the narrative run wild and that I thought Philly should keep him if like CJ and a first was the best offer.

And yes, I'm taking this latest report more seriously. And freely admit that it's quite likely I was too resistant to how bad the situation was.

Having seen the Kawhi situation unfold, I figured there was fire to the smoke. When you have all these rumors surrounding your star player wanting out and he does literally nothing to dispel them, that is not a good sign at all

Feel bad for Sixers fans sort of, but this is a different situation than the Kawhi fiasco, and they kinda did it to themselves by throwing him under the bus to the media, along with the fans openly booing him.

I'm not going to blame the fans for booing him. Players get booed all the time and as long as it's only booing, I think most of the players can handle it. But Rivers and Embiid throwing him under the bus in the postgame interview, I don't think anyone was ever going to come back from that one.

[E S V L]

Does this "California teams only" thing mean that Simmons is headed to GSW as the only team that has decent assets?

[NW]

Does this "California teams only" thing mean that Simmons is headed to GSW as the only team that has decent assets?

Sac has assets.

[Texas Chuck]

Does this "California teams only" thing mean that Simmons is headed to GSW as the only team that has decent assets?

Sac has assets.

And Simmons/Paul don't have the leverage here to enforce that. If Minnesota or San Antonio or whomever makes a better offer they will ship him there.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

If I'm Denver , I put MPJ on the table for Simmons. Simmons skillset fits great with Murray and Jokic. They provide spacing and he can focus on fast break and playing off ball. Gives them a nice defensive boost also.

[NW]

Does this "California teams only" thing mean that Simmons is headed to GSW as the only team that has decent assets?

Sac has assets.

And Simmons/Paul don't have the leverage here to enforce that. If Minnesota or San Antonio or whomever makes a better offer they will ship him there.

What kind of offer is either going to make for someone who makes it clear they don’t want to be there. Pop unlikely to want to deal with that in his prime, much less now.

Minnesota no more likely to make a top offer under those circumstances unless Rosas and Morey got a plan

[Village Idiot]

The feces has finally hit the fan. Where do you see Ben Simmons playing during the 2021-22 season?

[OutsidetheNBA]

If I'm Denver , I put MPJ on the table for Simmons. Simmons skillset fits great with Murray and Jokic. They provide spacing and he can focus on fast break and playing off ball. Gives them a nice defensive boost also.

I think he fits badly with Jokic. Simmons does two things on offense: (1) handle the ball and play-make or (2) stand in the dunker spot.

If Simmons is handling the ball, he's taking it out of Jokic's hands, and Jokic is a better playmaker. If Simmons is standing in the dunker spot, he's clogging the offense.

Difficult thing with a Simmons trade is to send him somewhere that he can be the primary ball handler and play maker with good spacing at all 4 other spots. It's why Minnesota makes so much sense.

[SmartWentCrazy]

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[Texas Chuck]

Sac has assets.

And Simmons/Paul don't have the leverage here to enforce that. If Minnesota or San Antonio or whomever makes a better offer they will ship him there.

What kind of offer is either going to make for someone who makes it clear they don’t want to be there. Pop unlikely to want to deal with that in his prime, much less now.

Minnesota no more likely to make a top offer under those circumstances unless Rosas and Morey got a plan

Man if I'm those franchises I would definitely make a good offer regardless. He's not going to refuse to report/play and I'm not good anyway nor with a clear path to being good without adding a player like this.

And certainly if Dallas had any assets to speak of I'd want to be in on this even if he didn't want to be in Dallas and wasn't a fan of having to play an off-ball PF role with Luka in house. Get the talent.

[Texas Chuck]

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Feels like Paul is in some real danger of overplaying his hand. Lebron's time is coming to an end and if he's ticked off the entire league and jacked around a number of players, Klutch could burn out really quickly.

[OutsidetheNBA]

Philly fans: Let's say Lillard and Beal are off the table. Who's the best realistic target after those two?

Some possibilities:

D. Fox
Brogdon
D. Russell
Someone else?

[SmartWentCrazy]

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Feels like Paul is in some real danger of overplaying his hand. Lebron's time is coming to an end and if he's ticked off the entire league and jacked around a number of players, Klutch could burn out really quickly.

I thought that during the AD to LAL trade demand a few years back. The leagues changed and players love him and thats all that matters. He has a healthy client list thats growing each year. He’s not overplaying his hand. Ainge found out the hard way and looks like his former protege is about to as well.

[NW]

And Simmons/Paul don't have the leverage here to enforce that. If Minnesota or San Antonio or whomever makes a better offer they will ship him there.

What kind of offer is either going to make for someone who makes it clear they don’t want to be there. Pop unlikely to want to deal with that in his prime, much less now.

Minnesota no more likely to make a top offer under those circumstances unless Rosas and Morey got a plan

Man if I'm those franchises I would definitely make a good offer regardless. He's not going to refuse to report/play and I'm not good anyway nor with a clear path to being good without adding a player like this.

And certainly if Dallas had any assets to speak of I'd want to be in on this even if he didn't want to be in Dallas and wasn't a fan of having to play an off-ball PF role with Luka in house. Get the talent.

He literally is refusing to report/play for his current team. You don’t think he and Paul won’t do that to avoid Minnesota or San Antonio?

[Helsbyte]

I got a bad feeling Indiana. Something around Brogdon with Sabonis or Turner to a 3rd team with value going to Philly and Indy. My guess would be Sabonis as I would be unsure if Sabonis and Simmons would work on the court.

Philly needs a creator on offense and some locker room leadership. Brogdon would help fill these voids. Not sure who the 3rd team would be.

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Rich Paul may never be allowed in Philly again

Probably kills any chance of Zach LaVine to Philly in a Simmons deal since he just signed with Klutch

[illuminati666]

Indiana can make a solid win-now offer. Plus it seems they're desperate to turn Brogdan into a younger player, and Brogdan would work beautifully with Embiid so they're my favourites. Plus they can send like Myles Turner to Dallas and get additional pieces like Kleber and Burke coming back to Philly.

[illuminati666]

I got a bad feeling Indiana. Something around Brogdon with Sabonis or Turner to a 3rd team with value going to Philly and Indy. My guess would be Sabonis as I would be unsure if Sabonis and Simmons would work on the court.

Philly needs a creator on offense and some locker room leadership. Brogdon would help fill these voids. Not sure who the 3rd team would be.

Lmao, ya posted Indiana same time as you

[Texas Chuck]

I thought that during the AD to LAL trade demand a few years back. The leagues changed and players love him and thats all that matters. He has a healthy client list thats growing each year. He’s not overplaying his hand. Ainge found out the hard way and looks like his former protege is about to as well.

IDK, we have the Noel issue and now we have a marginal player like Maxey that he's trying to get out of Philly which is him sending a message that Philly is a toxic organization. You do that even a few times and now your clients lose future leverage if these teams don't want to deal with you.

I can't speak for other franchises but I know Dallas has gotten crossways with agents before and in the biggest case they went from Nash to Luka without employing a single Bill Duffy client and he was a major agent. And considering Dallas was a big spending team for much of that time, that starts to hurt Duffy's clients not being able to leverage Dallas.

It's one thing to wield your power to get your players paid or to steer them to desired locations. That's absolutely your job. But to try and pillorize entire organizations along the way is a real mistake. These rich powerful men who govern these clubs take this kind of thing very personally whether they should or not, they definitely do.