Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons

[mademan]

If you can swindle a Kawhi-esque trade of like FVV/1st and Boucher or something, then ya, ofc. I wouldnt want to pay through the nose for him tho

[everdiso]

They are not even in the same league defensively. Simmons is a legit DPOY candidate. Siakam flares his arms all around, runs around like a chicken with his head cut off and gets bodied by bigger stronger players. I really wonder sometimes if posters on here have any idea about NBA basketball or maybe they just watch Raptors games or something.

Dude, I think Ben Simmons is good but you don't need to be dismissive of pascal. It leads to a polarizing discussion unless that's what you want

Simmons had better win shares, per, effective field goal percentage, steals, blocks, assists. The man somehow even shot a better percentage from 3. Siakam could not even crack 30 percent from 3. I think it is silly to not support a trade of Siakam for Simmons straight up. You would need to be a homer not to do so.

Siakam is a chip-worthy #2 option.

Simmons has been an utter flop as a #4/5 option. Literally could not even stay on the court in the playoffs. He shelters his efficiency numbers by simply refusing to shoot.

Any team that maxes out on a guy that can't even be a #4-5 option - can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs - is done for.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I can see the interest on our end, they're star hunting and simmons fits their defense/position-less vision... but still not convinced Simmons wants to come here and trading for someone that doesn't want to be here is not a compelling idea. someone else will pay up now that the bidding war is on. cavs/wolves will go in

Simmons is 24, he doesn't really understand what it means to be in a different place or situation. At that age you have no clue what another work/living situation is like because you don't have experience in the field or of yourself.

He doesn't know Toronto or the organization, chances are he will realize that the raptors are a far superior organization than what he has ever experienced.

[Brinbe]

I can see the interest on our end, they're star hunting and simmons fits their defense/position-less vision... but still not convinced Simmons wants to come here and trading for someone that doesn't want to be here is not a compelling idea. someone else will pay up now that the bidding war is on. cavs/wolves will go in

Simmons is 24, he doesn't really understand what it means to be in a different place or situation. At that age you have no clue what another work/living situation is like because you don't have experience in the field or of yourself.

He doesn't know Toronto or the organization, chances are he will realize that the raptors are a far superior organization than what he has ever experienced.

sure, sure. i'm sure masai certainly will have that mindset and won't let him deter him from trying. they clearly value him more than many on here.

[dkb9696]

Dude, I think Ben Simmons is good but you don't need to be dismissive of pascal. It leads to a polarizing discussion unless that's what you want

Simmons had better win shares, per, effective field goal percentage, steals, blocks, assists. The man somehow even shot a better percentage from 3. Siakam could not even crack 30 percent from 3. I think it is silly to not support a trade of Siakam for Simmons straight up. You would need to be a homer not to do so.

Siakam is a chip-worthy #2 option.

Simmons has been an utter flop as a #4/5 option. Literally could not even stay on the court in the playoffs. He shelters his efficiency numbers by simply refusing to shoot.

Any team that maxes out on a guy that can't even be a #4-5 option - can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs - is done for.

He is a 16/8/8/2/1 guy for is career and is arguable the best defender in NBA. It is hilarious that everyone keeps bringing up Simmons and the playoffs, when Siakam has **** the bed for the better part of the two seasons including the playoffs.

[Tor_Raps]

Simmons had better win shares, per, effective field goal percentage, steals, blocks, assists. The man somehow even shot a better percentage from 3. Siakam could not even crack 30 percent from 3. I think it is silly to not support a trade of Siakam for Simmons straight up. You would need to be a homer not to do so.

Siakam is a chip-worthy #2 option.

Simmons has been an utter flop as a #4/5 option. Literally could not even stay on the court in the playoffs. He shelters his efficiency numbers by simply refusing to shoot.

Any team that maxes out on a guy that can't even be a #4-5 option - can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs - is done for.

He is a 16/8/8/2/1 guy for is career and is arguable the best defender in NBA. It is hilarious that everyone keeps bringing up Simmons and the playoffs, when Siakam has **** the bed for the better part of the two seasons including the playoffs.

Difference is that Siakam at his worst is the same as Simmons doing his best in the playoffs and plus you don't have to worry about keeping Siakam in games because of free throws.

Siakam has proven he can be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team, Simmons has proven absolutely nothing while playing alongside another dominant player.

Now if we can get Simmons for Fred/Boucher/Flynn/Picks, I'd do it without hesitation.

[The Duke]

My package for Simmons would headline with the great FVV

[dkb9696]

Siakam is a chip-worthy #2 option.

Simmons has been an utter flop as a #4/5 option. Literally could not even stay on the court in the playoffs. He shelters his efficiency numbers by simply refusing to shoot.

Any team that maxes out on a guy that can't even be a #4-5 option - can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs - is done for.

He is a 16/8/8/2/1 guy for is career and is arguable the best defender in NBA. It is hilarious that everyone keeps bringing up Simmons and the playoffs, when Siakam has **** the bed for the better part of the two seasons including the playoffs.

Difference is that Siakam at his worst is the same as Simmons doing his best in the playoffs thus far and you don't have to worry about keeping Siakam in games because of free throws.

Siakam has proven he can be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team, Simmons has proven absolutely nothing.

Now if we can get Simmons for Fred/Boucher/Flynn/Picks, I'd do it without hesitation.[/quote

Even I would agree with Morey that this is lala land. I want VanVleet with Simmons anyway. Replace Simmons with Siakam in a 3 way deal with Portland with CJ to Philly and both the Raps and Blazers add some sweetener to the deal for Philly. Nance Jr deal kind of mucks this up though. Siakam looks like a more attractive get for Porland if they did not just get Nance JR who is cheap and soild at the PF spot.

[Bruin]

The max im offering is FVV, Boucher, and a lotto protected 1st. Otherwise I’m standing pat

[GooniesNeverDie]

Simmons had better win shares, per, effective field goal percentage, steals, blocks, assists. The man somehow even shot a better percentage from 3. Siakam could not even crack 30 percent from 3. I think it is silly to not support a trade of Siakam for Simmons straight up. You would need to be a homer not to do so.

Siakam is a chip-worthy #2 option.

Simmons has been an utter flop as a #4/5 option. Literally could not even stay on the court in the playoffs. He shelters his efficiency numbers by simply refusing to shoot.

Any team that maxes out on a guy that can't even be a #4-5 option - can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs - is done for.

He is a 16/8/8/2/1 guy for is career and is arguable the best defender in NBA. It is hilarious that everyone keeps bringing up Simmons and the playoffs, when Siakam has **** the bed for the better part of the two seasons including the playoffs.

Maybe because Pascal was the #1 option.. let's see what Ben can do in that role. We also saw them in a playoff series against each other where Pascal was the #2 option and Simmons was the #4 option... And Pascal was better. Why would we trade a guy we developed for someone who hasn't proven to improve his offensive game since he got in the league.

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[mdenny]

It'll never happen....partly because Philly needs a guard rather than a player like siakam...

But you got admit that it would have alot of potential and hella interesting to see develop:

Simmons
Fred
OG
Barnes
Precious

Would have to make us the best defensive team in the league

[everdiso]

Simmons had better win shares, per, effective field goal percentage, steals, blocks, assists. The man somehow even shot a better percentage from 3. Siakam could not even crack 30 percent from 3. I think it is silly to not support a trade of Siakam for Simmons straight up. You would need to be a homer not to do so.

Siakam is a chip-worthy #2 option.

Simmons has been an utter flop as a #4/5 option. Literally could not even stay on the court in the playoffs. He shelters his efficiency numbers by simply refusing to shoot.

Any team that maxes out on a guy that can't even be a #4-5 option - can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs - is done for.

He is a 16/8/8/2/1 guy for is career and is arguable the best defender in NBA. It is hilarious that everyone keeps bringing up Simmons and the playoffs, when Siakam has **** the bed for the better part of the two seasons including the playoffs.

Siakam shat the bed as a #1 option. Won a chip as a #2 option.

Simmons shat the bed as a #4/5 option.

[SharoneWright]

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[Rapsdaman]

I was real excited when I first heard raptors had interest in Simmons. Even made a thread which got locked suggestion we offer fvv and boucher for simmons before the draft assuming wed draft suggs. Now with Scottie on board I'm a little worried about giving up fred and the fit but thinking about it, it could make for a very interesting team. Imagine a lineup of scottie-trent-og-pascal-simmons at the 5. This by far maybe would be best defensi d lineup in the league. Wed need Trent and og to pick up scoring and well need a bunch of scorers on the bench. I kind of like this line up tho. Would definitely be an interesting team going forward.

[dkb9696]

Siakam is a chip-worthy #2 option.

Simmons has been an utter flop as a #4/5 option. Literally could not even stay on the court in the playoffs. He shelters his efficiency numbers by simply refusing to shoot.

Any team that maxes out on a guy that can't even be a #4-5 option - can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs - is done for.

He is a 16/8/8/2/1 guy for is career and is arguable the best defender in NBA. It is hilarious that everyone keeps bringing up Simmons and the playoffs, when Siakam has **** the bed for the better part of the two seasons including the playoffs.

Maybe because Pascal was the #1 option.. let's see what Ben can do in that role. We also saw them in a playoff series against each other where Pascal was the #2 option and Simmons was the #4 option... And Pascal was better. Why would we trade a guy we developed for someone who hasn't proven to improve his offensive game since he got in the league.

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The 76ers probably want Fred/OG over Siakam and his contract.

[10giz]

FVV is as close to a Kyle clone as you can get. Why would we trade him? I'd rather have another 5 years of, even at worst, 75% of what Kyle brings to the table in terms of grit, leadership, defensive presence and intensity.

He's arguably better right now than Kyle was when we got him, which was about the same age (26/27).

I'd be shocked if we trade a guy who literally, just like Kyle, if not more, encapsulates what this franchise is about.

I'd love Simmons, but as good as any player can be, it takes strong character to win championships. Few have more of it them Fred. Freds the guy you would NEED to have on the team to help a Simmons work as optimally as possible, just like a Kyle would.

It wouldn't happen, but the only trade that would make sense, in my eyes, something like:

Dragic + Trent + Flynn + Boucher + 2 1sts

Simmons + Maxey

[OhCanada1091]

I can see the interest on our end, they're star hunting and simmons fits their defense/position-less vision... but still not convinced Simmons wants to come here and trading for someone that doesn't want to be here is not a compelling idea. someone else will pay up now that the bidding war is on. cavs/wolves will go in

Simmons is 24, he doesn't really understand what it means to be in a different place or situation. At that age you have no clue what another work/living situation is like because you don't have experience in the field or of yourself.

He doesn't know Toronto or the organization, chances are he will realize that the raptors are a far superior organization than what he has ever experienced.

Chances are he already knows all the positives about playing in Toronto. Has heard it all from his teammates like Danny Green. But doesn't care. He wants to play in California and leaves first chance he gets because he isn't really built for that Raptors work ethic lifestyle.

[Raps in 4]

It'll never happen....partly because Philly needs a guard rather than a player like siakam...

But you got admit that it would have alot of potential and hella interesting to see develop:

Simmons
Fred
OG
Barnes
Precious

Would have to make us the best defensive team in the league

And worst offensive team.

[mdenny]

It'll never happen....partly because Philly needs a guard rather than a player like siakam...

But you got admit that it would have alot of potential and hella interesting to see develop:

Simmons
Fred
OG
Barnes
Precious

Would have to make us the best defensive team in the league

And worst offensive team.

We don't adapt to nba trends....we set them lol.

It wasn't THAT long ago that this was the type of team predicted for success in the playoffs while high scoring, shooting teams were thought to be doomed. We could see that trend roll back again.

I don't know. T'would be interesting. I love defensive basketball. Also think Fred would be perfect as the eldest vet leader. I guess a dominant center like Embiid could attack that defense but that's about it. We'd have fred for the curry's and trae's. We'd have 3 elite defenders who can defend every position. Would have to get lucky with Precious' development.

Tbh...i think that team has more theoretical potential than if u slot siakam back in for simmons.i honestly don't think i want simmons on the team i'm cheering for because dude is mot likeable. I like siakam alot more.....but simmons is obviously the better ball player and he's being severely underated right now.

My prediction is that philly will severely fall of in the regular season standings without him unless they get a dame.

If they get beal or mccallum? Massive drop-off. They will be so much easier to play against. Ppl will wonder why they fell off and it'll be mostly simmon's defense. They are in big trouble imo because i don't think they'll get dame. Embiid will embellish long term injuries as soon as they're fighting for a 6 seed. Will eventually demand trade.

If they don't package 5 FRPs with simmons to get dame i can't see a way out for them. Any other available star will hurt their regular season performance and that will have a cascading impact on their media and locker room. So delicious.

[tanuki1031]

Why would any team trade for him when they can simply wait for the sixers to inevitably buy him out?