Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[NebWolvesFan]

I think Ben is leaving the Eastern Conference. I don't think Klutch or Morey wants Ben coming twice a year or Embiid and Simmons battling in the early rounds of the postseason. Looking at Western Conference teams, the Kings seem like the best fit. They need defensive help and they have the three point guards. Hopefully, with the trade coming in the next 20 days, Sacramento blinks and doesn't offer any of its three young PGs.

We need teams to keep low-balling Morey and then have Rosas swoop in and win the auction. Hopefully, no one steps up.

[Irishniner]

I'd rather trade Dlo and keep 3 of McDaniels, Prince, Pat Bev and Beasley, if possible. If we do end up with Dlo, Ant, Ben and KAT, are Dlo and Ant just playing off ball a lot more? Is it a case of they share the ball and when one of Ant or Dlo has it, Ben is in the dunker spot? I feel like there's a fair amount of redundancy there. If Dlo is mostly playing off ball, there's not a lot of drop off between himself and someone like Beasley. If they are mainly catching-and-shooting 3's.

Say for arguments sake the trade is Beasley, Prince and Jaden + picks.
We end up with:
Pat Bev/Jmac
Simmons/Nowell
Edwards/Okogie
Vanderbilt?/????
KAT/Naz

The bench is terrible and there's a lack of defense outside of 3-4 players.

If the trade is something like Dlo + Pat Bev + picks then we have probably a much deeper and more rounded roster, which will be more suited to getting into the playoffs.

I think a line up of:
Simmons/Jmac
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
Jaden/Okogie
Prince/Vanderbilt
KAT/Reid

Is much more balanced and deep and of course injuries are less likely to derail the year if you have a few more quality players in reserve. You still have plenty of offense and shooting around Ben and some flexibility in terms of going big, going small etc.

[NebWolvesFan]

I'd rather trade Dlo and keep 3 of McDaniels, Prince, Pat Bev and Beasley, if possible. If we do end up with Dlo, Ant, Ben and KAT, are Dlo and Ant just playing off ball a lot more? Is it a case of they share the ball and when one of Ant or Dlo has it, Ben is in the dunker spot? I feel like there's a fair amount of redundancy there. If Dlo is mostly playing off ball, there's not a lot of drop off between himself and someone like Beasley. If they are mainly catching-and-shooting 3's.

Say for arguments sake the trade is Beasley, Prince and Jaden + picks.
We end up with:
Pat Bev/Jmac
Simmons/Nowell
Edwards/Okogie
Vanderbilt?/????
KAT/Naz

The bench is terrible and there's a lack of defense outside of 3-4 players.

If the trade is something like Dlo + Pat Bev + picks then we have probably a much deeper and more rounded roster, which will be more suited to getting into the playoffs.

I think a line up of:
Simmons/Jmac
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
Jaden/Okogie
Prince/Vanderbilt
KAT/Reid

Is much more balanced and deep and of course injuries are less likely to derail the year if you have a few more quality players in reserve. You still have plenty of offense and shooting around Ben and some flexibility in terms of going big, going small etc.

At this point, there's just no way a deal happens without Russell being a part of it. Morey wants a PG and Minnesota has been striking out in getting a point guard for Morey. Beverley might work, but he can't be traded until October and there's no way at this point that Morey is keeping Simmons into media day which will be a circus if he's still on the roster. With Beverley out and Beasley's value low league-wide, Rosas has to include Russell into the package and hope that Beverley/Nowell - maybe they can get Milton back - work at the point with high usage guys like Edwards and Simmons.

I hate to say it, but I think the deal will be
Simmons/Milton
for Russell/McDaniels/2022 first/2023 pick swap.

If Rosas holds onto Russell, Simmons is playing somewhere else next year.

[Irishniner]

I'd rather trade Dlo and keep 3 of McDaniels, Prince, Pat Bev and Beasley, if possible. If we do end up with Dlo, Ant, Ben and KAT, are Dlo and Ant just playing off ball a lot more? Is it a case of they share the ball and when one of Ant or Dlo has it, Ben is in the dunker spot? I feel like there's a fair amount of redundancy there. If Dlo is mostly playing off ball, there's not a lot of drop off between himself and someone like Beasley. If they are mainly catching-and-shooting 3's.

Say for arguments sake the trade is Beasley, Prince and Jaden + picks.
We end up with:
Pat Bev/Jmac
Simmons/Nowell
Edwards/Okogie
Vanderbilt?/????
KAT/Naz

The bench is terrible and there's a lack of defense outside of 3-4 players.

If the trade is something like Dlo + Pat Bev + picks then we have probably a much deeper and more rounded roster, which will be more suited to getting into the playoffs.

I think a line up of:
Simmons/Jmac
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
Jaden/Okogie
Prince/Vanderbilt
KAT/Reid

Is much more balanced and deep and of course injuries are less likely to derail the year if you have a few more quality players in reserve. You still have plenty of offense and shooting around Ben and some flexibility in terms of going big, going small etc.

At this point, there's just no way a deal happens without Russell being a part of it. Morey wants a PG and Minnesota has been striking out in getting a point guard for Morey. Beverley might work, but he can't be traded until October and there's no way at this point that Morey is keeping Simmons into media day which will be a circus if he's still on the roster. With Beverley out and Beasley's value low league-wide, Rosas has to include Russell into the package and hope that Beverley/Nowell - maybe they can get Milton back - work at the point with high usage guys like Edwards and Simmons.

I hate to say it, but I think the deal will be
Simmons/Milton
for Russell/McDaniels/2022 first/2023 pick swap.

If Rosas holds onto Russell, Simmons is playing somewhere else next year.

Yeah, I don't think a package of role players gets you anywhere.
They already have D Green, Curry, Korkmaz, Thybulle, Howard, Maxey, Springer, Milton, Drummond. They have lots of decent players around Embiid and Harris. They want back a 3rd player to go with that duo and Dlo is a good get for them when they can put Green or Thybulle next to him it makes sense.

[SO_MONEY]

I'd rather trade Dlo and keep 3 of McDaniels, Prince, Pat Bev and Beasley, if possible. If we do end up with Dlo, Ant, Ben and KAT, are Dlo and Ant just playing off ball a lot more? Is it a case of they share the ball and when one of Ant or Dlo has it, Ben is in the dunker spot? I feel like there's a fair amount of redundancy there. If Dlo is mostly playing off ball, there's not a lot of drop off between himself and someone like Beasley. If they are mainly catching-and-shooting 3's.

Say for arguments sake the trade is Beasley, Prince and Jaden + picks.
We end up with:
Pat Bev/Jmac
Simmons/Nowell
Edwards/Okogie
Vanderbilt?/????
KAT/Naz

The bench is terrible and there's a lack of defense outside of 3-4 players.

If the trade is something like Dlo + Pat Bev + picks then we have probably a much deeper and more rounded roster, which will be more suited to getting into the playoffs.

I think a line up of:
Simmons/Jmac
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
Jaden/Okogie
Prince/Vanderbilt
KAT/Reid

Is much more balanced and deep and of course injuries are less likely to derail the year if you have a few more quality players in reserve. You still have plenty of offense and shooting around Ben and some flexibility in terms of going big, going small etc.

At this point, there's just no way a deal happens without Russell being a part of it. Morey wants a PG and Minnesota has been striking out in getting a point guard for Morey. Beverley might work, but he can't be traded until October and there's no way at this point that Morey is keeping Simmons into media day which will be a circus if he's still on the roster. With Beverley out and Beasley's value low league-wide, Rosas has to include Russell into the package and hope that Beverley/Nowell - maybe they can get Milton back - work at the point with high usage guys like Edwards and Simmons.

I hate to say it, but I think the deal will be
Simmons/Milton
for Russell/McDaniels/2022 first/2023 pick swap.

If Rosas holds onto Russell, Simmons is playing somewhere else next year.

Riiiiight

That is giving up assets to possibly get worse. I don't see that happening. That is two starters and I don't see it.

[Note30]

The Sixers screwed this up big. Throwing Simmons under the bus was the wrong move, really backed them in a corner. The way to play this was to support him all the way, look for the best trade possible even if it took the deadline, and then deal him at an optimal time. Now they have all this pressure.

Yet we still have people giving up 2 firsts and McDaniels

DLo and Beasley for Simmons straight up.

Yet we still have people giving up Russell.

Fine, DLo and Prince then.

If all the Warriors are willing to give up is Wiggins, Kuminga, and filler then that would be equal valeu

[KGdaBom]

The Sixers screwed this up big. Throwing Simmons under the bus was the wrong move, really backed them in a corner. The way to play this was to support him all the way, look for the best trade possible even if it took the deadline, and then deal him at an optimal time. Now they have all this pressure.

Yet we still have people giving up 2 firsts and McDaniels

DLo and Beasley for Simmons straight up.

Yet we still have people giving up Russell.

If giving up Russell brought the remaining assets down to say a pick swap I am packing Russell's bags. However, this would make KAT, Russell and Simmons all unhappy and is probably not worth it.

[moonpie]

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[jpatrick]

I just listened to a Warriors podcast. I think they are a legit contender in this. I thought the Draymond/Simmons combo wouldn’t work, but they changed my mind. Golden State is also one of Simmons’ preferred destinations.

A package of Wiggins, Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman to a third team for assets probably beats what we’re willing to offer.

[Calinks]

When can Chicago trade Lonzo? Wonder if they would be willing to come out of nowhere for Ben.

[moonpie]

I just listened to a Warriors podcast. I think they are a legit contender in this. I thought the Draymond/Simmons combo wouldn’t work, but they changed my mind. Golden State is also one of Simmons’ preferred destinations.

A package of Wiggins, Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman to a third team for assets probably beats what we’re willing to offer.

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[zDank]

I'd rather trade Dlo and keep 3 of McDaniels, Prince, Pat Bev and Beasley, if possible. If we do end up with Dlo, Ant, Ben and KAT, are Dlo and Ant just playing off ball a lot more? Is it a case of they share the ball and when one of Ant or Dlo has it, Ben is in the dunker spot? I feel like there's a fair amount of redundancy there. If Dlo is mostly playing off ball, there's not a lot of drop off between himself and someone like Beasley. If they are mainly catching-and-shooting 3's.

Say for arguments sake the trade is Beasley, Prince and Jaden + picks.
We end up with:
Pat Bev/Jmac
Simmons/Nowell
Edwards/Okogie
Vanderbilt?/????
KAT/Naz

The bench is terrible and there's a lack of defense outside of 3-4 players.

If the trade is something like Dlo + Pat Bev + picks then we have probably a much deeper and more rounded roster, which will be more suited to getting into the playoffs.

I think a line up of:
Simmons/Jmac
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
Jaden/Okogie
Prince/Vanderbilt
KAT/Reid

Is much more balanced and deep and of course injuries are less likely to derail the year if you have a few more quality players in reserve. You still have plenty of offense and shooting around Ben and some flexibility in terms of going big, going small etc.

I think you might be leaving someone out of that first lineup….

[moonpie]

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Perk is Klutch FWIW

[jpatrick]

I just listened to a Warriors podcast. I think they are a legit contender in this. I thought the Draymond/Simmons combo wouldn’t work, but they changed my mind. Golden State is also one of Simmons’ preferred destinations.

A package of Wiggins, Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman to a third team for assets probably beats what we’re willing to offer.

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This may be true. This may be posturing.

[SO_MONEY]

I just listened to a Warriors podcast. I think they are a legit contender in this. I thought the Draymond/Simmons combo wouldn’t work, but they changed my mind. Golden State is also one of Simmons’ preferred destinations.

A package of Wiggins, Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman to a third team for assets probably beats what we’re willing to offer.

IDK. That is a pile of nothing. Wiggins is a negative, Wiseman is kind of negative given his salary and need to develop, Kuminga is years out at best. Honestly, Moody is the most interesting piece for raw positive value.

[Irishniner]

I'd rather trade Dlo and keep 3 of McDaniels, Prince, Pat Bev and Beasley, if possible. If we do end up with Dlo, Ant, Ben and KAT, are Dlo and Ant just playing off ball a lot more? Is it a case of they share the ball and when one of Ant or Dlo has it, Ben is in the dunker spot? I feel like there's a fair amount of redundancy there. If Dlo is mostly playing off ball, there's not a lot of drop off between himself and someone like Beasley. If they are mainly catching-and-shooting 3's.

Say for arguments sake the trade is Beasley, Prince and Jaden + picks.
We end up with:
Pat Bev/Jmac
Simmons/Nowell
Edwards/Okogie
Vanderbilt?/????
KAT/Naz

The bench is terrible and there's a lack of defense outside of 3-4 players.

If the trade is something like Dlo + Pat Bev + picks then we have probably a much deeper and more rounded roster, which will be more suited to getting into the playoffs.

I think a line up of:
Simmons/Jmac
Edwards/Beasley/Nowell
Jaden/Okogie
Prince/Vanderbilt
KAT/Reid

Is much more balanced and deep and of course injuries are less likely to derail the year if you have a few more quality players in reserve. You still have plenty of offense and shooting around Ben and some flexibility in terms of going big, going small etc.

I think you might be leaving someone out of that first lineup….

LOL, yeah. you're dead right. Dunno how I forgot!!
But yeah, I think there's a lot of redundancy and too many ppl who want to handle the ball with a lineup with Dlo, Ant, Simmons and KAT playing together.

[shrink]

Ben has better stats than Pippen at the same age.

With Jordan pushing him, Pippin worked his ass off every year and every off-season to become a great player.

Ben Simmons is the opposite. Is there any player in the NBA who has demonstrated less ability to develop? He might even be worse than he was three years ago.

[SO_MONEY]

Ben has better stats than Pippen at the same age.

With Jordan pushing him, Pippin worked his ass off every year and every off-season to become a great player.

Ben Simmons is the opposite. Is there any player in the NBA who has demonstrated less ability to develop? He might even be worse than he was three years ago.

Seems to me he either is regressing or teams are wise to his limitations and are scheming him better... maybe both.

[jpatrick]

Ben has better stats than Pippen at the same age.

With Jordan pushing him, Pippin worked his ass off every year and every off-season to become a great player.

Ben Simmons is the opposite. Is there any player in the NBA who has demonstrated less ability to develop? He might even be worse than he was three years ago.

Seems to me he either is regressing or teams are wise to his limitations and are scheming him better... maybe both.

This is the biggest concern with Simmons. He hasn’t improved in years and has regressed in some aspects, especially in the playoffs where teams can real scheme against your weaknesses.

Is he a hard worker? Is he so mentally fragile that he’s never going to recover from that Atlanta series (Nick Anderson disease)?

[shrink]

Yet we still have people giving up 2 firsts and McDaniels

DLo and Beasley for Simmons straight up.

Yet we still have people giving up Russell.

Fine, DLo and Prince then.

If all the Warriors are willing to give up is Wiggins, Kuminga, and filler then that would be equal valeu

I find it interesting, because Russell was swapped for Wiggins and Kuminga.

Morey loves advanced stats. I don’t think he is going to be interested in Wiggins. Maybe not DLo either, but despite his flaws, at least DLo does fill some of PHI’s biggest holes.