Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[LofJ]

Minnesota isn't getting Simmons unless they include Edwards. And I doubt Klutch or Philly want one of their clients playing for the 76'ers. A third team willing to send value to the 76'ers for Edwards is needed for a trade to happen.

Some options Philly may like:

Grizzlies for Andersen and Bane
Pistons for Bey and Jackson
Hawks for Huerter and Johnson
Hornets for Washington and Bouknight

None of these packages are worth close to edwards

Some picks would likely be included as well, but Philly would likely prefer players on their rookie deals that have at least proven that they belong in the league.

[Texas Chuck]

Minnesota isn't getting Simmons unless they include Edwards. And I doubt Klutch or Philly want one of their clients playing for the 76'ers. A third team willing to send value to the 76'ers for Edwards is needed for a trade to happen.

Some options Philly may like:

Grizzlies for Andersen and Bane
Pistons for Bey and Jackson
Hawks for Huerter and Johnson
Hornets for Washington and Bouknight

None of these packages are worth close to edwards

Some picks would likely be included as well, but Philly would likely prefer players on their rookie deals that have at least proven that they belong in the league.

I just want to point out that if Edwards can't go to Philly cuz Klutch and he's having to be laundered through another team, what prevents Minny from simply sending other assets for those pieces? I mean looking at your list here, that's not that much value to have to come up with and they can certainly do that without touching Edwards.

Once you launder Edwards, you can no longer say he's the only path.

[NebWolvesFan]

Philly fans are going to explode but I'm calling it now.

Fox and Bagley
For
Simmons, Maxey and thybulle. Maybe a protected pick or a second. At this point the picks probay get left out.



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Philly fans would be dancing in the streets if they ended up with Fox after all of this. They will be very lucky if they get Haliburton.

[LofJ]

None of these packages are worth close to edwards

Some picks would likely be included as well, but Philly would likely prefer players on their rookie deals that have at least proven that they belong in the league.

I just want to point out that if Edwards can't go to Philly cuz Klutch and he's having to be laundered through another team, what prevents Minny from simply sending other assets for those pieces? I mean looking at your list here, that's not that much value to have to come up with and they can certainly do that without touching Edwards.

Once you launder Edwards, you can no longer say he's the only path.

What other assets do they have though? They aren't trading Towns and Russell doesn't have much value. They basically have McDaniels and their future firsts. That isn't going to be enough to facilitate a trade.

[SNPA]

If it comes down to which team offers the best win now package that fits Joel but doesn’t include their top three assets Sac (Fox/Hali/Mitchell) beats Minny (Kay/Edwards/Dlo).

Barnes/Buddy/picks/etc is better than what Minny has.

But this is a low low price. I think one of the top three assets moves.

[Texas Chuck]

What other assets do they have though? They aren't trading Towns and Russell doesn't have much value. They basically have McDaniels and their future firsts. That isn't going to be enough to facilitate a trade.

Their future picks/swaps are definitely enough value for Ben Simmons. The Nets had no valuable players either and just traded for a much more valuable player in Harden.

There has become this real trend on this board lately for posters to make the claim that certain teams don't have enough assets to trade for some players and in almost every case its simply not true. They might need another team, as you correctly pointed out, but they absolutely have enough value without touching Towns or Edwards to trade for Ben Simmons. And I say that as one of the few posters who still thinks Ben is going to return a nice package.

[aguiar95]

Please keep him in the East, PLEASE.

[LofJ]

What other assets do they have though? They aren't trading Towns and Russell doesn't have much value. They basically have McDaniels and their future firsts. That isn't going to be enough to facilitate a trade.

Their future picks/swaps are definitely enough value for Ben Simmons. The Nets had no valuable players either and just traded for a much more valuable player in Harden.

There has become this real trend on this board lately for posters to make the claim that certain teams don't have enough assets to trade for some players and in almost every case its simply not true. They might need another team, as you correctly pointed out, but they absolutely have enough value without touching Towns or Edwards to trade for Ben Simmons. And I say that as one of the few posters who still thinks Ben is going to return a nice package.

I sometimes forget how much more power star players and their agents have compared to an individual team. So you're right, the team acquiring the most valuable player in a trade doesn't have to give up good value. They just need the player and agent to play hardball and force a trade to as few potential teams as possible to lower the price and thereby strengthen their new team at the expense of their former team.

[Texas Chuck]

What other assets do they have though? They aren't trading Towns and Russell doesn't have much value. They basically have McDaniels and their future firsts. That isn't going to be enough to facilitate a trade.

Their future picks/swaps are definitely enough value for Ben Simmons. The Nets had no valuable players either and just traded for a much more valuable player in Harden.

There has become this real trend on this board lately for posters to make the claim that certain teams don't have enough assets to trade for some players and in almost every case its simply not true. They might need another team, as you correctly pointed out, but they absolutely have enough value without touching Towns or Edwards to trade for Ben Simmons. And I say that as one of the few posters who still thinks Ben is going to return a nice package.

I sometimes forget how much more power star players and their agents have compared to an individual team. So you're right, the team acquiring the most valuable player in a trade doesn't have to give up good value. They just need the player and agent to play hardball and force a trade to as few potential teams as possible to lower the price and thereby strengthen their new team at the expense of their former team.

Not what I'm saying, but its clear we aren't going to see eye to eye on this either so....

[DowJones]

the Cavaliers certainly have enough assets to swing a three team trade if they really wanted Ben Simmons.

Every team has enough assets to pursue Simmons - up to selling their entire franchises. That was not my point. If we stay within limits of reasonable offers, then I see no offer from CLE that might beat those that are on the market, unless you want to offer Mobley. And I doubt you do.

I disagree with this. I think Garland and draft capital would be a competitive offer. I wouldn't do it as a Cavs fan because I really like Garland, but I also wouldn't consider this "selling the franchise".

[E S V L]

Could be an option, though I would say Fox has more value.

It doesn`t matter. What matters is that they are both a A-level franchise young superstars on equal contracts. That`s it. The core trade value is there.

[Lovetron Joe]

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[E S V L]

I disagree with this. I think Garland and draft capital would be a competitive offer.

Maybe you are right. Let`s ask Phil fans.

Guys, can you please?

[Troubadour]

The best I see the Raptors doing is for Ben Simmons is...

Sixers Receive
Fred VanVleet
Chris Boucher
Dorian Finney-Smith
Draft compensation

Raptors Receive
Ben Simmons
Dwight Powell

Mavericks Receive
Goran Dragic
Draft compensation

For the Sixers, VanVleet is a steady floor general. Finney-Smith offers some 3&D skills and the ability to guard big wings. Boucher is the elusive stretch 5 to back up Embiid.

For the Raptors, I guess they do this to go with an all 6'7" to 6'10" lineup. Could be cool?

For the Mavericks, they get Goran Dragic and maybe a pick or two to give up DFS in the process. But getting off Powell is pretty good on its own.

[Helsbyte]

Let me see if this works



To Philly:
Collin Sexton
Buddy Hield
Chris Boucher



To Sacramento
Ben Simmons



to Cleveland:
Davion Mitchell
Sacramento 2022 top 5 protected 1st


To Toronto
Tyrese Maxey





Philly gets 3 guys who can put up 20 on any given night. their depth would be awesome. Sexton playing off Embiid could become an allstar

Sexton/Hield/Thybulle/Harris/Embiid. Curry/Green/Boucher/Drummond is a fantastic rotation



Kings get their guy. Simmons/Fox/Haliburton would be very fun uptempo team where Simmons could really unlock his true potential.


Toronto does this to turn a 29 year old role player suited for a contender into a very young player with upside. This is basically the Powell/Trent trade part 2.

Who is initiating the offense in Philly after this trade? Neither Sexton or Hield are primary ball handlers or distributors. Just don't see this working on the court for Philly.

[Texas Chuck]

For the Mavericks, they get Goran Dragic and maybe a pick or two to give up DFS in the process. But getting off Powell is pretty good on its own.

You seem to understand this as you have draft picks going to Dallas, but I want to be clear that no, using DFS to turn Powell into Dragic is in fact not pretty good on its own.

Dwight Powell is definitely negative value, but he's not hurting them at all this year as they are well under the tax and operated over the cap and next year with Luka's supermax kicking in they aren't going to have cap space anyway. So while another team taking him on is certainly bad and they would want to be compensated, keeping him isn't really hurting Dallas and so giving up Dorian to dump him would be really bad roster management.

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[Sixersftw]

I disagree with this. I think Garland and draft capital would be a competitive offer.

Maybe you are right. Let`s ask Phil fans.

Guys, can you please?

not normally but we are moving far beyond normal aren't we? I could see it being the basis of something.

[SmartWentCrazy]

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Thats one hell of a back track…

[Texas Chuck]

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Seems like Whalers had the credibility of this reporter pegged pretty good.