Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[Domejandro]

I think PHI would probably prefer Beverly over Prince (who make pretty much the same), but I agree with the rest.

Good for them. I'm trying to keep Beverley if possible.

Philly needs to move Simmons in the next two weeks. There is no way they wait until October to move him. Beverley is staying in Minnesota. Waiting on Beverley isn't worth a media day circus if Simmons hasn't been traded by that point.

There is no two week timeline, Philadelphia will happily ride this until end of training camp (then, I think a deadline begins to loom).

[Calinks]

Wiseman still has a ton of potential. Wiggins is not a very good player. If he is a central piece in a deal for Simmons, that's a bad deal. Wiggins is a serviceable player and can do some good things but not at all a max guy. I don't think they will do that trade unless they really like Wiseman.

I would much prefer a package centered around Beasley, McDaniels, Dlo. If it was a thing I would trade Beasly for Wiggins straight up as I think he's just a better fit for most teams. I'll take a really good volume shooter over the inconsistency of Wiggins. It's crazy how much hype Wiggins has gained just from being on the Warriors who had a healthy Steph Curry going nuts and still failed to make the playoffs btw.

[Slim Tubby]

Beasely, Beverly, McDaniels, Unprotected 2022 FRP, 2022 SRP (Washington).

I wouldn't offer more than this, and because of that, I think Toronto might beat us -- Toronto fans are throwing out Siakam plus other attractive assets, which I think beats our package.

I don't want to give up D'Lo for Simmons.

I'm thinking you're about spot on with what our Max Offer would be for Simmons but look at our roster before and after such a trade:

Before the Trade:

C KAT/Reid
PF McDaniels/Prince
SF Edwards/Okogie
SG Beasley/Nowell
PG Russell/Beverly

After the Trade:

C KAT/Reid
PF Simmons/Prince
SF Okogie/Bolmaro
SG Edwards/Nowell
PG Russell/McGlaughlin???

Our lack of depth after a Simmons trade would ensure the Wolves have the worst bench in the NBA. The Prince and Beverly acquisitions are being very underrated by many on the board IMO and we all love McDaniels' potential. They are very good NBA players and all three (3) will play extensive minutes for the team this year if they stay.

Acquiring Simmons would bring a sense of excitement to the franchise and we'd certainly get a ton of national media coverage compared to what we normally receive. I'm just not convinced that the trade MPLSwolves listed above would really improve the team and I haven't even factored in Ben's borderline bad contract. When the dust settles, I think Simmons ends up in SAC.

I would make Milsap a priority signing with the full MLE 2-year deal. I really like the balance and flexibility of the resulting roster:

C KAT/Reid
PF Milsap/Prince
SF McDaniels/Okogie
SG Edwards/Beasley
PG Russell/Beverly

I apologize in advance for such a long post.

[jpatrick]

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This is the same and only guy to report that Maxey also wanted out. Hopefully this means Klutch is okay with other clients (Beasley) going to Philly.

[Klomp]

I think PHI would probably prefer Beverly over Prince (who make pretty much the same), but I agree with the rest.

Good for them. I'm trying to keep Beverley if possible.

Philly needs to move Simmons in the next two weeks. There is no way they wait until October to move him. Beverley is staying in Minnesota. Waiting on Beverley isn't worth a media day circus if Simmons hasn't been traded by that point.

That date doesn't stop a trade from being agreed to, and and agreed-upon trade wouldn't create a media day circus.

But if it keeps Pat Bev here, I'm all for it!

[moonpie]

Hmm thought there was a report out there that Masai was not interested in trading Siakam

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[Krapinsky]

Beasely, Beverly, McDaniels, Unprotected 2022 FRP, 2022 SRP (Washington).

I wouldn't offer more than this, and because of that, I think Toronto might beat us -- Toronto fans are throwing out Siakam plus other attractive assets, which I think beats our package.

I don't want to give up D'Lo for Simmons.

I'm thinking you're about spot on with what our Max Offer would be for Simmons but look at our roster before and after such a trade:

Before the Trade:

C KAT/Reid
PF McDaniels/Prince
SF Edwards/Okogie
SG Beasley/Nowell
PG Russell/Beverly

After the Trade:

C KAT/Reid
PF Simmons/Prince
SF Okogie/Bolmaro
SG Edwards/Nowell
PG Russell/McGlaughlin???

Our lack of depth after a Simmons trade would ensure the Wolves have the worst bench in the NBA. The Prince and Beverly acquisitions are being very underrated by many on the board IMO and we all love McDaniels' potential. They are very good NBA players and all three (3) will play extensive minutes for the team this year if they stay.

Acquiring Simmons would bring a sense of excitement to the franchise and we'd certainly get a ton of national media coverage compared to what we normally receive. I'm just not convinced that the trade MPLSwolves listed above would really improve the team and I haven't even factored in Ben's borderline bad contract. When the dust settles, I think Simmons ends up in SAC.

I would make Milsap a priority signing with the full MLE 2-year deal. I really like the balance and flexibility of the resulting roster:

C KAT/Reid
PF Milsap/Prince
SF McDaniels/Okogie
SG Edwards/Beasley
PG Russell/Beverly

I apologize in advance for such a long post.

I don't put much stock in these guys because they are on expiring deals. Maybe they provide depth this season, but we need to have a longer term outlook than that.

[fattymcgee]

I have a strong feeling some team is going to come out of the wild blue to grab Simmons with a crazy offer. Someone like OKC, who has a history of coming out of nowhere.

With all of the drama around Philly right now, I would step back if I were the Wolves. We have a lot of good pieces, although not prime, still good, that can make some noise at the deadline, even if the Simmons trade does not pan out.

Plus, my gut tells me Morey is in for a mess come training camp and may be more willing to deal for something sensible versus the “Universe” he’s seeking right now.

Ummm. OKC doesn't want to take on his salary. I would say there is a good chance SGA gets traded in the relative short-term. Completely different direction than they are going.

Why would they trade SGA? That would be extremely stupid.

[SO_MONEY]

Beasely, Beverly, McDaniels, Unprotected 2022 FRP, 2022 SRP (Washington).

I wouldn't offer more than this, and because of that, I think Toronto might beat us -- Toronto fans are throwing out Siakam plus other attractive assets, which I think beats our package.

I don't want to give up D'Lo for Simmons.

I'm thinking you're about spot on with what our Max Offer would be for Simmons but look at our roster before and after such a trade:

Before the Trade:

C KAT/Reid
PF McDaniels/Prince
SF Edwards/Okogie
SG Beasley/Nowell
PG Russell/Beverly

After the Trade:

C KAT/Reid
PF Simmons/Prince
SF Okogie/Bolmaro
SG Edwards/Nowell
PG Russell/McGlaughlin???

Our lack of depth after a Simmons trade would ensure the Wolves have the worst bench in the NBA. The Prince and Beverly acquisitions are being very underrated by many on the board IMO and we all love McDaniels' potential. They are very good NBA players and all three (3) will play extensive minutes for the team this year if they stay.

Acquiring Simmons would bring a sense of excitement to the franchise and we'd certainly get a ton of national media coverage compared to what we normally receive. I'm just not convinced that the trade MPLSwolves listed above would really improve the team and I haven't even factored in Ben's borderline bad contract. When the dust settles, I think Simmons ends up in SAC.

I would make Milsap a priority signing with the full MLE 2-year deal. I really like the balance and flexibility of the resulting roster:

C KAT/Reid
PF Milsap/Prince
SF McDaniels/Okogie
SG Edwards/Beasley
PG Russell/Beverly

I apologize in advance for such a long post.

I don't put much stock in these guys because they are on expiring deals. Maybe they provide depth this season, but we need to have a longer term outlook than that.

Beverly specifically isn't going to play "extensive" minutes.

[SO_MONEY]

I have a strong feeling some team is going to come out of the wild blue to grab Simmons with a crazy offer. Someone like OKC, who has a history of coming out of nowhere.

With all of the drama around Philly right now, I would step back if I were the Wolves. We have a lot of good pieces, although not prime, still good, that can make some noise at the deadline, even if the Simmons trade does not pan out.

Plus, my gut tells me Morey is in for a mess come training camp and may be more willing to deal for something sensible versus the “Universe” he’s seeking right now.

Ummm. OKC doesn't want to take on his salary. I would say there is a good chance SGA gets traded in the relative short-term. Completely different direction than they are going.

Why would they trade SGA? That would be extremely stupid.

Why would it be stupid?

It has leaked they don't see SGA on their timeline, they are not trying to win, trading him for a haul is smart if the decision is to build. It isn't going to be this year, but indications are once he doesn't have the PPP he will be on the "block" or listening to offers... which will be high.

If the Wolves screw this up, I am becoming a Thunder fan, they are showing they are willing to do things right.

[moonpie]

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[fattymcgee]

Ummm. OKC doesn't want to take on his salary. I would say there is a good chance SGA gets traded in the relative short-term. Completely different direction than they are going.

Why would they trade SGA? That would be extremely stupid.

Why would it be stupid?

It has leaked they don't see SGA on their timeline, they are not trying to win, trading him for a haul is smart if the decision is to build. It isn't going to be this year, but indications are once he doesn't have the PPP he will be on the "block" or listening to offers... which will be high.

If the Wolves screw this up, I am becoming a Thunder fan, they are showing they are willing to do things right.

Not on they're timeline? The guy is 23! I can't believe the Thunder would be dumb enough to trade him, they make too many good decisions.

Unnecessary personal comments-WG

[KGdaBom]

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While this is encouraging regarding our hopes of being the top bidder the Kings won't put Haliburton in an offer until they do. This report means very little.

[SO_MONEY]

Why would they trade SGA? That would be extremely stupid.

Why would it be stupid?

It has leaked they don't see SGA on their timeline, they are not trying to win, trading him for a haul is smart if the decision is to build. It isn't going to be this year, but indications are once he doesn't have the PPP he will be on the "block" or listening to offers... which will be high.

If the Wolves screw this up, I am becoming a Thunder fan, they are showing they are willing to do things right.

Not on they're timeline? The guy is 23! I can't believe the Thunder would be dumb enough to trade him, they make too many good decisions.

You think trading SGA is doing things right? You say some stupid **** sometimes, but this takes the cake.

It isn't stupid. They are not trying to win, by the time they would be he will be up for UFA, so they can get a TON for him in the short-term...it isn't complicated.

Chill.

[Note30]

Shame we can't add a poll to this thread.

I'd want to know what packages people are willing to give up for Simmons from a numbers perspective.

[fattymcgee]

Why would it be stupid?

It has leaked they don't see SGA on their timeline, they are not trying to win, trading him for a haul is smart if the decision is to build. It isn't going to be this year, but indications are once he doesn't have the PPP he will be on the "block" or listening to offers... which will be high.

If the Wolves screw this up, I am becoming a Thunder fan, they are showing they are willing to do things right.

Not on they're timeline? The guy is 23! I can't believe the Thunder would be dumb enough to trade him, they make too many good decisions.

You think trading SGA is doing things right? You say some stupid **** sometimes, but this takes the cake.

It isn't stupid. They are not trying to win, by the time they would be he will be up for UFA, so they can get a TON for him in the short-term...it isn't complicated.

Chill.

Perpetual rebuild, sounds like a great idea!

[KGdaBom]

Not on they're timeline? The guy is 23! I can't believe the Thunder would be dumb enough to trade him, they make too many good decisions.

You think trading SGA is doing things right? You say some stupid **** sometimes, but this takes the cake.

It isn't stupid. They are not trying to win, by the time they would be he will be up for UFA, so they can get a TON for him in the short-term...it isn't complicated.

Chill.

Perpetual rebuild, sounds like a great idea!

The idea of trading a 23 year old NBA star for draft picks in hopes of getting better is very poor management.

[SO_MONEY]

Not on they're timeline? The guy is 23! I can't believe the Thunder would be dumb enough to trade him, they make too many good decisions.

You think trading SGA is doing things right? You say some stupid **** sometimes, but this takes the cake.

It isn't stupid. They are not trying to win, by the time they would be he will be up for UFA, so they can get a TON for him in the short-term...it isn't complicated.

Chill.

Perpetual rebuild, sounds like a great idea!

That is disingenuous.

Trading SGA doesn't mean perpetual rebuilding.