Bulls Remaining Roster Spot Discussion

[MGB]

JaKarr Sampson is excellent idea I had no considered. My guess though is still Vonleh if we dont get Millsap. Sampson is someone for sure I would be ok with though.

[Bulls619sd]

So let me make sure I'm understanding this right? We're 6.4 underneath the hard cap, we have a 5 million trade player exception, and a 3 million bae.

So we could use part of the 5 million trade player exception along with Denver second round pick we got from the Spurs for Millsap. We can give him rotational minutes, and with his experience maybe even start him till Williams is ready. We have the ability to pay more than most of the teams that are interested in him. Our VP use to be the GM there so their should be a rapport.
Then use part of the bae for Noah Vonleh can play the four and five and would fit nicely with Vuce.

Nice I like our chances, I'm starting to think this was the plan all along.

[d boy gentleman]

So let me make sure I'm understanding this right? We're 6.4 underneath the hard cap, we have a 5 million trade player exception, and a 3 million bae.

So we could use part of the 5 million trade player exception along with Denver second round pick we got from the Spurs for Millsap. We can give him rotational minutes, and with his experience maybe even start him till Williams is ready. We have the ability to pay more than most of the teams that are interested in him. Our VP use to be the GM there so their should be a rapport.
Then use part of the bae for Noah Vonleh can play the four and five and would fit nicely with Vuce.

Nice I like our chances, I'm starting to think this was the plan all along.

Or they can sign him outright. The Nuggets don't want him or else he would have signed with them already. Why give the Nuggets something for a player they don't want? The ball is in Millsap's court. He wants to play for a contender and is interested in joining the Nets or Warriors. He is more than likely waiting on Jordan to get bought out to sign with them

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[HomoSapien]

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That would be a solid end to free-agency. Both can contribute.

Ennis is unspectacular but he's developed into a reliable rotation player and shot really damn well last year. He's also a little chippy, and we could use someone like that. Wonder if Vuc recommended him. He's someone who can fill that small ball PF spot and stretch the floor.

[Bulls619sd]

So let me make sure I'm understanding this right? We're 6.4 underneath the hard cap, we have a 5 million trade player exception, and a 3 million bae.

So we could use part of the 5 million trade player exception along with Denver second round pick we got from the Spurs for Millsap. We can give him rotational minutes, and with his experience maybe even start him till Williams is ready. We have the ability to pay more than most of the teams that are interested in him. Our VP use to be the GM there so their should be a rapport.
Then use part of the bae for Noah Vonleh can play the four and five and would fit nicely with Vuce.

Nice I like our chances, I'm starting to think this was the plan all along.

Or they can sign him outright. The Nuggets don't want him or else he would have signed with them already. Why give the Nuggets something for a player they don't want? The ball is in Millsap's court. He wants to play for a contender and is interested in joining the Nets or Warriors. He is more than likely waiting on Jordan to get bought out to sign with them

The most we can offer is 3 that might not be enough. If he signs the 3 and we can go after someone else with the tpe and a second round pick would work for me. It may take more than 3 to snag him away from Golden State or Brooklyn

[Andi Obst]

DeAndre Jordan on the vet minimum would be an absolute godsend for this team

How? Jordan was significantly worse than Bradley last year. What does he even provide at this point?

Jordan's per 36 numbers were in line with his career numbers and he has a long history of being a solid player. Bradley is basically a question mark.

He's been in the league for 4 years and has been a fringe rotation player at best. He played a total of 12 games during his first 2 years, 58 games at 11 MPG in 19-20 and 42 games last year at 16 MPG. That's a really small sample size, especially given his limited minutes. He has potential, but he's far from a sure thing.

We're extremely thin up front, and having Jordan on the minimum would give us much needed depth and rim protection and serve as a failsafe if Bradley and/or Marko aren't capable of handling rotation minutes. And I think significantly worse is a huge stretch. Their per 36 rebounding and blocks were basically the same, and while Bradley scored a bit more he also wasn't playing with KD, Harden, Kyrie, etc. and he shot 10% worse than Jordan.

Bradley per 36: 16, 13, and 2 on 67%

Jordan per 36: 12, 12, and 2 on 76%

More depth and experience on the cheap at a position and role of need is never a bad thing.

The counting stats are basically meaningless here. Yeah, Jordan will get his rebounds and blocks, but so will other bad bigs who only focus on getting their rebounds and blocks up (I’m so proud of the entire league for realizing that Drummond is worthless). Jordan has been a disaster defensively for years now, eventually making him unplayable for Brooklyn. Bradley was solid on both ends last year. He isn’t going to be anything special, but at least I’m not giving up on defense with him out there.

[sco]

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That would be a solid end to free-agency. Both can contribute.

Ennis is unspectacular but he's developed into a reliable rotation player and shot really damn well last year. He's also a little chippy, and we could use someone like that. Wonder if Vuc recommended him. He's someone who can fill that small ball PF spot and stretch the floor.

I've always confused Ennis and DJJ. Anyway, per below, Ennis developed into a 3pt shooter (albeit on only 2.5 shots per game) last season. Also, didn't realize he's already 31.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2579321/james-ennis-iii

[Bulls619sd]

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James Ennis doesn't make sense we're loaded on the wing. Unless of course AKME have a move up their sleeve which was the rumor if I remembering correctly

[GoBlue72391]

How? Jordan was significantly worse than Bradley last year. What does he even provide at this point?

Jordan's per 36 numbers were in line with his career numbers and he has a long history of being a solid player. Bradley is basically a question mark.

He's been in the league for 4 years and has been a fringe rotation player at best. He played a total of 12 games during his first 2 years, 58 games at 11 MPG in 19-20 and 42 games last year at 16 MPG. That's a really small sample size, especially given his limited minutes. He has potential, but he's far from a sure thing.

We're extremely thin up front, and having Jordan on the minimum would give us much needed depth and rim protection and serve as a failsafe if Bradley and/or Marko aren't capable of handling rotation minutes. And I think significantly worse is a huge stretch. Their per 36 rebounding and blocks were basically the same, and while Bradley scored a bit more he also wasn't playing with KD, Harden, Kyrie, etc. and he shot 10% worse than Jordan.

Bradley per 36: 16, 13, and 2 on 67%

Jordan per 36: 12, 12, and 2 on 76%

More depth and experience on the cheap at a position and role of need is never a bad thing.

The counting stats are basically meaningless here. Yeah, Jordan will get his rebounds and blocks, but so will other bad bigs who only focus on getting their rebounds and blocks up (I’m so proud of the entire league for realizing that Drummond is worthless). Jordan has been a disaster defensively for years now, eventually making him unplayable for Brooklyn. Bradley was solid on both ends last year. He isn’t going to be anything special, but at least I’m not giving up on defense with him out there.

All we need from our 4th/5th/6th big is rebounds and rim protection, anything else is just gravy. Even having declined, there's a good chance Jordan is still better than Bradley and Marko will ever be. Drummond and Jordan have indeed been vastly overrated for their careers, but that doesn't make them worthless.

Again, Jordan has a decade of solid play as a rebounder, shot blocker, and finisher. He's a proven commodity. Bradley has been a fringe rotation player and Marko has yet to play a single game. As far as depth goes, that's pretty awful and extremely thin. We're one injury or player underperforming from being screwed. Jordan and Bradley fill the same role, it's just that one is a proven vet on the decline while the other is a young question mark with (moderate) potential.

I understand what you're saying and I agree with most of it, but I think you're overthinking it. If I was arguing Jordan over Bradley/Marko then it would be a different story, but we're talking about the final roster spot here, not a starting position or even a key bench piece. You could do a hell of a lot worse than DeAndre Jordan rounding out the back of your roster for the minimum. I'm not even saying he should be ahead of anyone in the rotation, just that he would provide depth and a veteran option in case of injuries or if Bradley/Marko can't cut it. It's not Jordan vs. Bradley/Marko, it's Jordan vs. whoever else is an option to fill the final roster spot.

But like I said, I don't see that happening for the same reason I don't see Millsap coming here: why sign with the Bulls when we're not a true contender and there's no clear cut role/minutes available? Surely there are better options for them out there.

[Jvaughn]

I forgot Mike Scott was available. I'd definitely be all over that for the BAE if Milsap says no.

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James Ennis doesn't make sense we're loaded on the wing. Unless of course AKME have a move up their sleeve which was the rumor if I remembering correctly

Sign & Trade T. Brown for Millsap and sign Ennis to replace Brown ??

[drosestruts]

Outside of Milsap or Leonard I don't see anyone beating out our current second unit of Caruso - White - Brown-Jones - Bradley

Ennis, Mike Scott, JaKar Sampson, these would all be guys 11-15 in the rotation.

[Jvaughn]

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James Ennis doesn't make sense we're loaded on the wing. Unless of course AKME have a move up their sleeve which was the rumor if I remembering correctly

Sign & Trade T. Brown for Millsap and sign Ennis to replace Brown ??

I'd much rather keep Brown over Ennis.

[GoBlue72391]

James Ennis doesn't make sense we're loaded on the wing. Unless of course AKME have a move up their sleeve which was the rumor if I remembering correctly

Sign & Trade T. Brown for Millsap and sign Ennis to replace Brown ??

I'd much rather keep Brown over Ennis.

Yeah, that's not even a question for me. TBJ is a full decade younger than Ennis and is arguably as good or better than him right now with the potential for more. Millsap would be a nice depth signing, but no chance in hell I give up TBJ to get him here.

[LateNight]

It's slim pickings when it comes to defensive power forwards. Here's what's out there at PF:

Isaiah Hartenstein: Could be good, but there's a lot of smoke around him signing with the Nets

Bismack Biyombo: 17th in blocks. Veteran. Can play Power Forward, but might not be his ideal position. Offense is pretty limited (dunks / layups). Not sure about his relationship with Vuc (who took his spot in Orlando)

Norvel Pelle: Lead the league in block percentage (90%). In 10 minutes, he may very well give you 2 points, 3 blocks and 6 offensive offensive fouls

Daniel Oturu: Summer league block leader. OK rebounder. Uneven game, not sure about potential. Would prefer someone more experienced.

Marquese Chriss: Broke his leg last december... not sure he'll play again until 2022

Jordan Bell: Could be great, but just signed a two-way

After that we're looking at Chris Silva, Justin Patton, etc. A lot of these guys could try and play the Theis role on defense, but they might be tough fits next to Bradley...

I think the ball is pretty much in Paul Millsap's court. For what it's worth: Millsap's agent has no other notable clients, so I imagine "more money" would be very intriguing to Paul's representation... But I doubt that has much impact on the final decision

Noah Vonleh - gives you 4-5 versatility and looked like our best big last pre-season outside of Taj

Juan Hernangomez - kind of a poor man's Lauri - a little shorter, not as good a shooter, not a great rebounder or defender, but can give you points on 3 levels

Nico Melli - and older and potentially not as good version of Juan Hernangomez, but maybe a better defender.

Jarred Vanderbilt - a taller, somewhat less athletic DJJr. (and an RFA) - but a battler who would give switchable defense and something on the interior, too

DJ Wilson - 6'10 231 PF/small-C whose best season was his 2nd year when he put in ~ 6/4.5 plus .4 blocks and .4 steals in 18minutes, including shooting 36% from 3 on 2.6 3PA in that time... but was hurt and declined in 19-20, and while he rebounded to closer to 2nd year level in 20-21 (actually better, per36), no serious progress... but maybe it was an injury related bump / set-back

Cam Oliver - 25 year old journeyman who played 4 games with Houston last season (only NBA experience) but also looked decent this year in summer league and in ~22 mpg in those four games for an awful team put up 11 pts, 5.5rb, 1 blk, 0.5 stl on 58% FG, 31% from 3 (3.3 3PA)

Jakaar Sampson - more an offensive combo forward but athletic and hustles, 28 years old, best play was 4 games for Chicago in 18-19

Mike Scott - aging small stretch 4 who gives effort on D

Ken Faried - hustle player who will soon turn 32 but played well as a small ball center for Houston in his last NBA action (in 18/19)

Harry Giles - more a too-thin center than a PF who seemingly declined when he moved from Sacramento to Portland, but has flashed talent at times and only 23

TJ Leaf - 18th overall pick the pacers disappointed and never found his NBA footing, but only 24 and has flashed talent on occasion (probably would do great in Europe).

Bruno Caboclo - flashed some legit talent and his skillset fits the needs, but may be signed overseas

Meyers Leonard - more a 5 than a 4/5, and 29 years old, but can shoot and also bring some interior defense and rebounding

Bates-Diop - kind of a poor man's version of Pat (25 years old combo forward who hasn't shoot all that well from 3 but can shoot about 33% when utilized, versatile defender both inside and out but not fantastic at it - at least not yet).

Nice! A couple of these guys I skipped because I was focused on defense first.

Vonleh and Scott interest me a bit (as does Vanderbilt, but I don’t think we can offer a contract they don’t match).

Bruno is under contract and Faried looked washed in the summer league bits I saw.

[d boy gentleman]

It's slim pickings when it comes to defensive power forwards. Here's what's out there at PF:

Isaiah Hartenstein: Could be good, but there's a lot of smoke around him signing with the Nets

Bismack Biyombo: 17th in blocks. Veteran. Can play Power Forward, but might not be his ideal position. Offense is pretty limited (dunks / layups). Not sure about his relationship with Vuc (who took his spot in Orlando)

Norvel Pelle: Lead the league in block percentage (90%). In 10 minutes, he may very well give you 2 points, 3 blocks and 6 offensive offensive fouls

Daniel Oturu: Summer league block leader. OK rebounder. Uneven game, not sure about potential. Would prefer someone more experienced.

Marquese Chriss: Broke his leg last december... not sure he'll play again until 2022

Jordan Bell: Could be great, but just signed a two-way

After that we're looking at Chris Silva, Justin Patton, etc. A lot of these guys could try and play the Theis role on defense, but they might be tough fits next to Bradley...

I think the ball is pretty much in Paul Millsap's court. For what it's worth: Millsap's agent has no other notable clients, so I imagine "more money" would be very intriguing to Paul's representation... But I doubt that has much impact on the final decision

Noah Vonleh - gives you 4-5 versatility and looked like our best big last pre-season outside of Taj

Juan Hernangomez - kind of a poor man's Lauri - a little shorter, not as good a shooter, not a great rebounder or defender, but can give you points on 3 levels

Nico Melli - and older and potentially not as good version of Juan Hernangomez, but maybe a better defender.

Jarred Vanderbilt - a taller, somewhat less athletic DJJr. (and an RFA) - but a battler who would give switchable defense and something on the interior, too

DJ Wilson - 6'10 231 PF/small-C whose best season was his 2nd year when he put in ~ 6/4.5 plus .4 blocks and .4 steals in 18minutes, including shooting 36% from 3 on 2.6 3PA in that time... but was hurt and declined in 19-20, and while he rebounded to closer to 2nd year level in 20-21 (actually better, per36), no serious progress... but maybe it was an injury related bump / set-back

Cam Oliver - 25 year old journeyman who played 4 games with Houston last season (only NBA experience) but also looked decent this year in summer league and in ~22 mpg in those four games for an awful team put up 11 pts, 5.5rb, 1 blk, 0.5 stl on 58% FG, 31% from 3 (3.3 3PA)

Jakaar Sampson - more an offensive combo forward but athletic and hustles, 28 years old, best play was 4 games for Chicago in 18-19

Mike Scott - aging small stretch 4 who gives effort on D

Ken Faried - hustle player who will soon turn 32 but played well as a small ball center for Houston in his last NBA action (in 18/19)

Harry Giles - more a too-thin center than a PF who seemingly declined when he moved from Sacramento to Portland, but has flashed talent at times and only 23

TJ Leaf - 18th overall pick the pacers disappointed and never found his NBA footing, but only 24 and has flashed talent on occasion (probably would do great in Europe).

Bruno Caboclo - flashed some legit talent and his skillset fits the needs, but may be signed overseas

Meyers Leonard - more a 5 than a 4/5, and 29 years old, but can shoot and also bring some interior defense and rebounding

Bates-Diop - kind of a poor man's version of Pat (25 years old combo forward who hasn't shoot all that well from 3 but can shoot about 33% when utilized, versatile defender both inside and out but not fantastic at it - at least not yet).

After those racist comments, no one is touching Leonard

[holv03]

DJ Wilson would be a good addition for the minimum. I think he could give us some good production off the bench.

[holv03]

It's slim pickings when it comes to defensive power forwards. Here's what's out there at PF:

Isaiah Hartenstein: Could be good, but there's a lot of smoke around him signing with the Nets

Bismack Biyombo: 17th in blocks. Veteran. Can play Power Forward, but might not be his ideal position. Offense is pretty limited (dunks / layups). Not sure about his relationship with Vuc (who took his spot in Orlando)

Norvel Pelle: Lead the league in block percentage (90%). In 10 minutes, he may very well give you 2 points, 3 blocks and 6 offensive offensive fouls

Daniel Oturu: Summer league block leader. OK rebounder. Uneven game, not sure about potential. Would prefer someone more experienced.

Marquese Chriss: Broke his leg last december... not sure he'll play again until 2022

Jordan Bell: Could be great, but just signed a two-way

After that we're looking at Chris Silva, Justin Patton, etc. A lot of these guys could try and play the Theis role on defense, but they might be tough fits next to Bradley...

I think the ball is pretty much in Paul Millsap's court. For what it's worth: Millsap's agent has no other notable clients, so I imagine "more money" would be very intriguing to Paul's representation... But I doubt that has much impact on the final decision

Noah Vonleh - gives you 4-5 versatility and looked like our best big last pre-season outside of Taj

Juan Hernangomez - kind of a poor man's Lauri - a little shorter, not as good a shooter, not a great rebounder or defender, but can give you points on 3 levels

Nico Melli - and older and potentially not as good version of Juan Hernangomez, but maybe a better defender.

Jarred Vanderbilt - a taller, somewhat less athletic DJJr. (and an RFA) - but a battler who would give switchable defense and something on the interior, too

DJ Wilson - 6'10 231 PF/small-C whose best season was his 2nd year when he put in ~ 6/4.5 plus .4 blocks and .4 steals in 18minutes, including shooting 36% from 3 on 2.6 3PA in that time... but was hurt and declined in 19-20, and while he rebounded to closer to 2nd year level in 20-21 (actually better, per36), no serious progress... but maybe it was an injury related bump / set-back

Cam Oliver - 25 year old journeyman who played 4 games with Houston last season (only NBA experience) but also looked decent this year in summer league and in ~22 mpg in those four games for an awful team put up 11 pts, 5.5rb, 1 blk, 0.5 stl on 58% FG, 31% from 3 (3.3 3PA)

Jakaar Sampson - more an offensive combo forward but athletic and hustles, 28 years old, best play was 4 games for Chicago in 18-19

Mike Scott - aging small stretch 4 who gives effort on D

Ken Faried - hustle player who will soon turn 32 but played well as a small ball center for Houston in his last NBA action (in 18/19)

Harry Giles - more a too-thin center than a PF who seemingly declined when he moved from Sacramento to Portland, but has flashed talent at times and only 23

TJ Leaf - 18th overall pick the pacers disappointed and never found his NBA footing, but only 24 and has flashed talent on occasion (probably would do great in Europe).

Bruno Caboclo - flashed some legit talent and his skillset fits the needs, but may be signed overseas

Meyers Leonard - more a 5 than a 4/5, and 29 years old, but can shoot and also bring some interior defense and rebounding

Bates-Diop - kind of a poor man's version of Pat (25 years old combo forward who hasn't shoot all that well from 3 but can shoot about 33% when utilized, versatile defender both inside and out but not fantastic at it - at least not yet).

After those racist comments, no one is touching Leonard

He deserves another opportunity. The NBA needs to start giving these players a second chance instead of pushing them aside. Everyone makes mistakes in life no one is perfect.

[holv03]

JaKarr Sampson is excellent idea I had no considered. My guess though is still Vonleh if we dont get Millsap. Sampson is someone for sure I would be ok with though.

Sampson is basically another wing. Bulls need a real power forward.