Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons

[TheBoi10]

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[raptor jesus]

Even if you can acquire Simmons on a discounted price, how are you gonna build a contender while paying a monumentally flawed player 40 million? That's a tough sell for me.

[720]

Even if you can acquire Simmons on a discounted price, how are you gonna build a contender while paying a monumentally flawed player 40 million? That's a tough sell for me.

If it's Fred and filler for Simmons I don't mind. If it's Barnes or OG might as well keep this core because we're gonna get another lotto pick likely anyways. So just improve the core from within.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Even if you can acquire Simmons on a discounted price, how are you gonna build a contender while paying a monumentally flawed player 40 million? That's a tough sell for me.

Ya the only way is if we win a championship with him at the helm. Lol


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[PhilBlackson]

The only way I'd want to be involved in a Ben Simmons trade is if there are 3 teams involved ie/ MIN, Ben goes to TWolves, Pascal to PHI and we get Edwards.

I would be on cloud 9 with a trade like that but sorry I'm still not even remotely hype about trying to trade to GET Ben here. His Playoff struggles/inability aren't going to evaporate into thin air just because he comes here.

[alan_156]

The only way I'd want to be involved in a Ben Simmons trade is if there are 3 teams involved ie/ MIN, Ben goes to TWolves, Pascal to PHI and we get Edwards.

I would be on cloud 9 with a trade like that but sorry I'm still not even remotely hype about trying to trade to GET Ben here. His Playoff struggles/inability aren't going to evaporate into thin air just because he comes here.

They're not trading Edwards, he could end up having a better career than all 3

[aligator]

You guys won’t be pleased but I think the offer that ultimately gets a deal done is Fred and OG for Ben. I think Fred is overrated so whatever but parting with OG would be hard. That gives philly a good package I think would beat other teams once philly gives up on the idea of Damian.

LOL. Raps would be committing suicide with such stupidity. Not happening. I doubt that Masai would deal one of them even up for Simmons.

[PerfectJab]

This conversation and thread is akin to talking about Michael Jordan playing in Toronto now when he was in his prime.

Frivolous, impossible and discussion for the sake of discussion.

This being said if we are going to talk about frivolous, impossible and unlikely trade scenarios, why not discuss someone that would definitely make a difference, Kevin Durant or something...

[Nebuchadnezzar]

This conversation and thread is akin to talking about Michael Jordan playing in Toronto now when he was in his prime.

Frivolous, impossible and discussion for the sake of discussion.

This being said if we are going to talk about frivolous, impossible and unlikely trade scenarios, why not discuss someone that would definitely make a difference, Kevin Durant or something...

Not sure why this is frivolous, we have been involved in all the reports on this trade.......

[TheBoi10]

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[OAKLEY_2]

This conversation and thread is akin to talking about Michael Jordan playing in Toronto now when he was in his prime.

Frivolous, impossible and discussion for the sake of discussion.

This being said if we are going to talk about frivolous, impossible and unlikely trade scenarios, why not discuss someone that would definitely make a difference, Kevin Durant or something...

Not sure why this is frivolous, we have been involved in all the reports on this trade.......

We also have the new AUS coach who would be the personal tutor of Project Simmons which makes me think Masai would part with Paskal as both make 33 mil and Simmons is 3+ years younger. Throw in Petrusev and Maxey and we add Yuta, David Johnson and protected FRP. The take away is Raps won't build a team around the Power Forward position. Embiid would be ecstatic to team up with Paskal. It does have some legs if Morey actually comes down to earth.

[GooniesNeverDie]

Simmons is sooooo overrated. He is NOT better than Pascal. He's been playing as the 3rd/4th option during Philly's good years and he has a DPOY back stopping the defense (even though Simmons is elite regardless but this certainly helps).

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[lobosloboslobos]

This conversation and thread is akin to talking about Michael Jordan playing in Toronto now when he was in his prime.

Frivolous, impossible and discussion for the sake of discussion.

This being said if we are going to talk about frivolous, impossible and unlikely trade scenarios, why not discuss someone that would definitely make a difference, Kevin Durant or something...

Not sure why this is frivolous, we have been involved in all the reports on this trade.......

We also have the new AUS coach who would be the personal tutor of Project Simmons which makes me think Masai would part with Paskal as both make 33 mil and Simmons is 3+ years younger. Throw in Petrusev and Maxey and we add Yuta, David Johnson and protected FRP. The take away is Raps won't build a team around the Power Forward position. Embiid would be ecstatic to team up with Paskal. It does have some legs if Morey actually comes down to earth.

The 3 years younger thing is actually pretty significant. Maybe Simmons can actually get better with the Raps who are the best team in the league at developing talent. Also the fact that on some level Masai could be seen to be doing a favour to Pascal by trading him to play for another title in his prime with his fellow Cameroonian/Giant of Africa Embiid.

If we believe that the Masai's intention is to win the title in say 3 years then Scottie, OG and Simmons could potentially be a championship core at that time. Obviously they could also not be but it is not a crazy bet. I guess the question is whether you think in 3 years that core would be better than Pascal/OG/Scottie. Tough to say...

[mdenny]

Not sure why this is frivolous, we have been involved in all the reports on this trade.......

We also have the new AUS coach who would be the personal tutor of Project Simmons which makes me think Masai would part with Paskal as both make 33 mil and Simmons is 3+ years younger. Throw in Petrusev and Maxey and we add Yuta, David Johnson and protected FRP. The take away is Raps won't build a team around the Power Forward position. Embiid would be ecstatic to team up with Paskal. It does have some legs if Morey actually comes down to earth.

The 3 years younger thing is actually pretty significant. Maybe Simmons can actually get better with the Raps who are the best team in the league at developing talent. Also the fact that on some level Masai could be seen to be doing a favour to Pascal by trading him to play for another title in his prime with his fellow Cameroonian/Giant of Africa Embiid.

If we believe that the Masai's intention is to win the title in say 3 years then Scottie, OG and Simmons could potentially be a championship core at that time. Obviously they could also not be but it is not a crazy bet. I guess the question is whether you think in 3 years that core would be better than Pascal/OG/Scottie. Tough to say...

J

It's a higher ceiling but a much lower floor too.

My guess is that it would ultimately come down to the inside information they have regarding Siakam and simmon's characters/willingness to play in TO.

Fred and picks/pieces is a non-starter imo. No way Morey does that. Siakam is the only possible deal. But even with Siakam....that puts alot of philly's cap space at their 3, 4, 5 with nothing left for guards. Unless they do something like trade Harris for Mccallum in conjunction. Aside from a scenario like that.....just doesn't make sense. Interesting to think about though.

[mtcan]

The moment we drafted Scottie...I assumed the Ben Simmons talk would go away.

What is Masai trying to do?

I don't think OG is available. However...I think Fred and Pascal are probably very much available. Fred and Pascal are on the same timeline as Embiid in terms of age.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

They were talking about a package built around Hield recently. Morey can ask for the moon, eventually he's going to be the laughing stock of the league and un-employed.

The market is the market.

[kj_]

PG Simmons | SG GTjr | SF OG| PF Siakam
Easily a top4, with current version of Ben...now if he adds 3 or 4 jumpers per game and raise his Free Throws to 70% then there is no limit to where we could go with that defense.
Nurse maximizes the talent of his best players.

Seems like an incredibly dumb risk. The team already has a high defensive ceiling with Fred and the growth of OG and eventually Scottie Barnes. Your giving up at minimum 9 3PAs from Fred, which shrinks the floor in the half court. Plus Fred's leadership, etc. The guy who had the stones to close down the Oracle v. the guy who has repeatedly tried to hide on the court in the playoffs.

This deal made some sense when it was for Siakam. It makes no sense when it's for OG or Fred.

I am big on FVV too I dont need any convincing about how special he is at 5'11. His leadership and all.
But If the philosophy is to (fully) go positionless then Ben would epitomize that philosophy. Fred is a great defender, but Ben is the best perimeter defender in the entire league at 6'10. Both GTjr and OG are 40% 3pt shooters: Ben's penetration's would give them more open 3s. Ben will be just fine without a dominant center

I could get on board with this. If the opposing PG is guarding GT he can easily shoot over them from distance on the Ben, Siakam, Barnes set ups. The PG couldn’t guard anyone else. OG? Siakam? Ben? Barnes? Precious? It would be bully ball every possession. The Raps would Bully the opposing 2 guard all day.


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[WaltFrazier]

Windhorst said something like, NBA teams are crawling over themselves to get shooting. But the Raptors aren't. We seem to be all about getting 6'9 long guys, whether they can shoot or not. Which is Ben.

But Fred and OG for Ben is just crazy. Fred and Boucher maybe, and whatever else to make salary fit. But plug Ben into our defense in place of Fred's short stature, the length and defensive skill would be off the charts.

I feel like Fred is too much the face of the franchise right now, to be moved.

[Syd-TK3]

I promise you there isn't a single chance OG is involved in any trade

[tecumseh18]

Windhorst said something like, NBA teams are crawling over themselves to get shooting. But the Raptors aren't. We seem to be all about getting 6'9 long guys, whether they can shoot or not. Which is Ben.

But Fred and OG for Ben is just crazy. Fred and Boucher maybe, and whatever else to make salary fit. But plug Ben into our defense in place of Fred's short stature, the length and defensive skill would be off the charts.

I feel like Fred is too much the face of the franchise right now, to be moved.

Sending Fred to the draft lottery seemed like a statement. Has there ever been a player who was traded the summer after representing his team at the lottery?