Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons

[Pointgod]

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4:40 "I do not want to go down to the level of Pascal Siakam and stuff"

Hysterical!

We should rename this thread Pascal Siakam and stuff.

So much disrespect. Pascal was 2nd team all-NBA. Simmons has only been 3rd team.

Simmons finished second in defensive player of the year voting and has been on two all NBA defensive teams. Just putting things into perspective.

[mdenny]

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4:40 "I do not want to go down to the level of Pascal Siakam and stuff"

Hysterical!

We should rename this thread Pascal Siakam and stuff.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

This is exhibit A of how the american media downplays our organization and our players because Canadian clicks and viewers don't count for their bottom line.

MPJ? Kristaps?

Don't get me wrong...I'd love to see it happen. Philly might not make the playoffs lol.

[dkb9696]

You didn't post any real thoughts on his defense. Just some hot take insult that has nothing to do with reality. As is saying their shooting is equally bad. That's just dumb.

I was not aware that Siakam had family members on real gm. That is the only reason to think someone would be in denial and think he is a better overall player than Ben Simmons.

I'm not a Pascal Siakam fan but when you make a statement that Ben Simmons shoots a better percentage from 3, you're either misleading the conversation or you're playing a round of hot takes. Either way, its not a solid argument.

I'd rather have Pascal chuck from 3 and shoot it at 25% than have a my PG afraid for his life, to shoot the ball from 18 feet.

We will need to disagree then bud. lol

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

They way they talk about Siakam you would think he's the guy putting up 14/7/7 with no threes and a bad FT%.

Nope, he put up 21/7/5 on a bad year.

[sidsid]

Windhorst said something like, NBA teams are crawling over themselves to get shooting. But the Raptors aren't. We seem to be all about getting 6'9 long guys, whether they can shoot or not. Which is Ben.

But Fred and OG for Ben is just crazy. Fred and Boucher maybe, and whatever else to make salary fit. But plug Ben into our defense in place of Fred's short stature, the length and defensive skill would be off the charts.

I feel like Fred is too much the face of the franchise right now, to be moved.

Having Drafted Siakam, OG, Bruno and now Barnes (over a more ready prospect), the FO believes they can develop what's needed, which is mostly shooting.

The reason why Ben would be intriguing for an FO like this: his offense is basically non-existent, but the rest of his skillset is very advanced. Even slight improvements, like upping his FT percentage (which would likely fix his fear of drawing contact), could really up his ceiling. That's the current problem, he's basically a DeAndre Jordan like liability in the 4th quarter during the playoffs.

It's why he's available at all.

The problem is that the likely catalyst for a trade was both Siakam and Simmons being on the outs with each other's orgs. But it seems like that's not an issue with Siakam.

The other catalyst was the Lowry sign and trade. That opened up putting FVV in a deal and likely minimal draft capital. That's also gone.

Morey just isn't accepting a package for a role player like FVV (Siakam or OG have to be the base). If he were, we'd be giving up too many futures, which we're not in a position to do now either.

There would have to be some top tier desperation on Morey's end, or Ben forcing his way here, to get him for something like FVV, Boucher and a protected pick.

That's why it's just not happening.

[tecumseh18]

Dragic, Trent and a protected 1st for Simmons on Dec 15th is my top offer. There is no way Philly would do that.

Is Trent not available for trade 3 months after he signed the contract, since we used his Bird rights? That would be early November, wouldn't it?

Sixers don't want to wait until November. But Trent plus Dragic plus 2 FRPs for Ben and Maxey (if he really has to be traded) is close to fair, and curiously (hmm) their combined salaries exactly match. Raptors offence will be miserable, but man, that defence. I'd love to see a Fred-Simmons-OG-Pascal-Scottie lineup. Alternated with a Simmons-OG-Pascal-Scottie-Precious lineup. Wow!

I always that it was Dec 15th for off-season signings to be traded at earliest.
Anyway, I’m not sure I even want Simmons on the team but I am kind of into the novelty of those crazy length lineups 2 through 5 with Fred. Raptors’ ball would be a unique viewing experience at the very least. It probably will be anyway this season even if they are painful to watch on offence.

Actually, you're probably right. I misread it. It's probably Dec. 15, although if signing Gary using his Bird rights put us over the cap (I don't think so, because Raps probably signed and traded Kyle first), then it would be Jan. 15.

Any free agent playing on a standard NBA contract (or if they are converted to one) may not be traded until the later of 3 months after they sign or December 15. (For sign-and-trade deals, this rule only applies to any subsequent trade and not the initial sign-and-trade.)

If the signing of a new contract with a “Bird” or “Early Bird” free agent causes a team’s team salary to exceed the salary cap and the player’s first-year salary in that new contract is more than 120% above the player’s salary in the prior season, then the player may not be traded until the later of 3 months after they sign or January 15.

https://cbabreakdown.com/trades

[agkagk]

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4:40 "I do not want to go down to the level of Pascal Siakam and stuff"

Hysterical!

We should rename this thread Pascal Siakam and stuff.

So much disrespect. Pascal was 2nd team all-NBA. Simmons has only been 3rd team.

Simmons finished second in defensive player of the year voting and has been on two all NBA defensive teams. Just putting things into perspective.

“Minnesota or Toronto; that’s how badly he wants to get traded”.

Only in the nba does the media actively disrespect and marginalize 2/3rd's of the teams.

You’d think it were counter intuitive but what do I know.

[CANsportsguru]

Pascal is better than Simmons. There's no way that's our offer.

[tdotrep2]

if we could get simmons without giving up the wings we would have the greatest defensive team of all time.

[agentzero2010]

The problem with Siakam is that he’s not really elite at any particular skill. Between his MIP and beginning of 2019 season, Siakam was a great energy guy with terrific defensive intensity and an unstoppable series of spin moves. He was aggressive and determined to get to the basket at all cost. Since he sprained hamstring at Detroit he’s been a totally different player. Hesitant, uncoordinated, inconsistent, and at times looks straight up scared and confused on the court. When the losses started to pile up he started to show more and more off court issues and just became a very frustrating player to watch. He’s neither a good shooter, passer nor defender. His post game has become too predictable and his aggression and intensity, the whole humble hustle shtick, has been dialled way down.

To me, I wouldn’t trade Siakam because his perceived value is simply too low at the moment. And this is where the Dragic salary comes into play. We can package Dragic with a combination of OG, Fred or Trent in the middle of the season presumably when Simmon’s value drops to an all time low ALA Harden last season.

I think a package of VanVleet + Dragic + Boucher + 2 FRP + 2 FRPS could solve a lot of issues for the Sixers. It would suck to lose VanVleet but a potential lineup of Simmons/Trent/OG/Barnes/Siakam would be too intriguing to pass up. Throw in Achiuwa into that group and I think it could be a matchup nightmare for many teams.

[geminiz]

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4:40 "I do not want to go down to the level of Pascal Siakam and stuff"

Hysterical!

We should rename this thread Pascal Siakam and stuff.

So much disrespect. Pascal was 2nd team all-NBA. Simmons has only been 3rd team.

Simmons finished second in defensive player of the year voting and has been on two all NBA defensive teams. Just putting things into perspective.

Neither Siakam nor Simmons is good enough to be no.1 option. But Siakam was part of the core that beat the sixers in PO and won a championship. Simmons as a member of sixers core has never even gone to conference final. Just a little perspective. Man I'm not even a Siakam fan!

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[HumbleRen]

if theres a trade centered around pascal available, masai should go for it. Ben simmons raises the teams potential ceiling simply due to his raw talent. If he learns to be aggressive and develop a short midrange/ floater game, he can be a star. A team built around pascal isnt going anywhere. Aside from the hot shooting start in the 2020 season, pascal has been an inefficient scorer and an average playmaker. We know a team led by pascal is a treadmill team at best. This is exactly the buy low type deal that you have to take advantage of. I dont even consider it a particularly high risk deal considering we have 2 years of data showing pascal really isnt a special player.

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[HumbleRen]

Ben for Pascal & a First Round pick is a no brainer imo.

He’s younger, has attributes that he’s ELITE in while Siakam doesn’t have any.

Worst case scenario, he averages 16/9/9 with top 5 defence with us and we’ll be able to flip him for a legitimate asset down the line.

I don’t care how you feel about Pascal vs Siakam, you’ll 100% be able to get more assets with Simmons as a trade piece as opposed to having Pascal as the trade piece.

[Tofubeque]

Simmons finished second in defensive player of the year voting and has been on two all NBA defensive teams. Just putting things into perspective.

Neither Siakam nor Simmons is good enough to be no.1 option. But Siakam was part of the core that beat the sixers in PO and won a championship. Simmons as a member of sixers core has never even gone to conference final. Just a little perspective. Man I'm not even a Siakam fan!

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Not to mention he got lit up in the playoffs this year by a 3rd year 6'0" guard. Meanwhile the actual DPOY in the other conference got played off the court by Nic Batum.

Maybe league DPOY and All-defense voting aren't great metrics to go by! OG hasn't made a single one, I guess he's on par with Siakam as a defender.

[Pointgod]

So much disrespect. Pascal was 2nd team all-NBA. Simmons has only been 3rd team.

Simmons finished second in defensive player of the year voting and has been on two all NBA defensive teams. Just putting things into perspective.

Neither Siakam nor Simmons is good enough to be no.1 option. But Siakam was part of the core that beat the sixers in PO and won a championship. Simmons as a member of sixers core has never even gone to conference final. Just a little perspective. Man I'm not even a Siakam fan!

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I never claimed either one is good enough to be a first option. The whole point is that you can’t use 1 all NBA 2nd team selection to argue that Siakim is better than Simmons and then completely ignore that Simmons has two all defensive team selections and finished second in defensive player of the year. It’s entirely dependent on team needs but we can be objective with our assessment

[Pointgod]

Simmons finished second in defensive player of the year voting and has been on two all NBA defensive teams. Just putting things into perspective.

Neither Siakam nor Simmons is good enough to be no.1 option. But Siakam was part of the core that beat the sixers in PO and won a championship. Simmons as a member of sixers core has never even gone to conference final. Just a little perspective. Man I'm not even a Siakam fan!

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Not to mention he got lit up in the playoffs this year by a 3rd year 6'0" guard. Meanwhile the actual DPOY in the other conference got played off the court by Nic Batum.

Maybe league DPOY and All-defense voting aren't great metrics to go by! OG hasn't made a single one, I guess he's on par with Siakam as a defender.

Trae Young lights up everybody in the playoffs. The playoffs are all about match ups like the bold pointed out. The Clippers were a poor match up for Gobert. It’s all dependent on team needs, for example adding Simmons on Utah has a bigger impact than Siakim on Utah while I’d argue adding Siakim to a team like Portland has more impact than adding Simmons. Neither player is even close to a number 1 option so it’s all dependent on the players around them and team needs

[ATLTimekeeper]

Simmons has Embiid sitting behind him. Any defensive credit he gets has to be discounted slightly based on playing with one of the best lane intimidators in the game. The accolades are pretty meaningless. Relative to the defenders that Toronto currently has Simmons wouldn't have any impact.

[ash_k]

Simmons has Embiid sitting behind him. Any defensive credit he gets has to be discounted slightly based on playing with one of the best lane intimidators in the game. The accolades are pretty meaningless. Relative to the defenders that Toronto currently has Simmons wouldn't have any impact.

You must have not seen him defend Kawhi and PG13 in the same game. That was 2 seasons ago. Stan Van Gundy was commenting. He had a triple double in that game too. It was incredible to watch.

It has nothing to do with Embiid. Physically he just built different and mentally he wants to shut the opposition down.

[refshateRaps]

3 way trade with Dallas & Philly involving FVV would be intersting?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Simmons has Embiid sitting behind him. Any defensive credit he gets has to be discounted slightly based on playing with one of the best lane intimidators in the game. The accolades are pretty meaningless. Relative to the defenders that Toronto currently has Simmons wouldn't have any impact.

You must have not seen him defend Kawhi and PG13 in the same game. That was 2 seasons ago. Stan Van Gundy was commenting. He had a triple double in that game too. It was incredible to watch.

It has nothing to do with Embiid. Physically he just built different and mentally he wants to shut the opposition down.

The comment about Embiid is that everyone can play tighter with him sitting in the paint. We watched Stanley Johnson shut down Kawhi, so what? Defense is cheap. The Raptors already have Siakam/OG/Barnes here long-term. The appeal to acquiring Simmons was pre-draft and with Siakam and Nurse on the fritz. That's over now.