Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[KGdaBom]

I meant players you're willing to trade.

Here’s my question for 76ers fans that post this opinion. Lillard and Beal are not being traded this offseason. Maybe at the deadline at the very earliest.

So, since they are not an option, would you prefer a package that includes more win-now pieces, something like Beasley, Russell (or three way getting you someone like Brogdon) but no picks or maybe one pick. Helps more now but eliminates you from a Lillard or Beal deal at the deadline because you probably don’t have the assets.

Or something like Beverly/Beasley and a boatload of picks/swaps. Doesn’t help as much now but gives you a bunch of currency when that star does become available. Portland/Washington are going to want picks if they trade their star because they’re going full rebuild, not as much players.

My answer would be somewhere in between what you proposed...If I could get something like CJ McCollum, Beverly and a couple of picks, I'd probably take it.....I don't think the Sixers would want Russell....Russell and Curry backcourt would be a disaster defensively.

You're reasonable. However, why does Portland jump in if the Wolves are getting Simmons?

[Merc_Porto]

I like Beasley. No interest in McDaniels or first round picks unless we could flip them

Yeah, I think that's the key here. A 3rd team is needed to complete a trade and to find a win-now player.
Outside of KAT and ANT, there's no direct package from Minnesota that would appeal to Philly.

[Klomp]

Draymond is not washed, wtf are you talking about? Have you watched the guy play last season? He’s not at his peak, but he didn’t drop far from it. I’d be absolutely thrilled to have him on the Wolves, he’d do more for both our defense and offense than Simmons.

It's foolish to make trades with a 1-year outlook on your franchise. Should be looking 3-4 years ahead at what a trade can do for the trajectory of your franchise. By then, one of them will be 35/way past his prime and the other 29/right in the heart of his prime.

[Calinks]

PErsonally, I think Dlo, Beasley, and McDaniels would be greatly beneficial to Philly right now. Maybe not what they are looking for in a return but all three of those guys would be a big help.

Jaden can play good defense and be an everyman type right now. Probably low stats but he can make an impact. Beasley's shooting would be fantastic for them, knock down three's, willingness to take shots, and he plays with energy. I think a good defensive team like Philly, he could be a positive on defense when he has a lot of competence around him.

Dlo is a lot of what Simmons isn't. Dlo is not a good defender but he can create and get shots at any time. He won't hesitate to take big shots and I just don't know how you would stop Philly if they Dlo+Beasley and their other guys on the floor. Clogging the pain would be a nightmare as the shooting would be way too good from the perimeter. They would be a hard team to stop.

[Klomp]

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In my opinion, giving up DLO would mean two negative factors: losing a lot of shooting percentage and making KAT unhappy. The best solution would be to force on the fact that PHI no longer has "the knife on the side of the handle" in this negotiation and push to offer secondary players, at the cost of losing some depth on the bench. Already with DLO, KAT and ANT together and with Finch at the helm we are a PO team (7/8 place). If we add Ben we become very interesting...

I think the thing people are maybe forgetting most about Russell is the clutch (not Klutch) factor. He is our go-to guy with games on the line. Because it's more difficult to get bigs involved late, that would then fall mostly to Edwards. Not saying he's incapable, but that's a lot to ask of a second-year pro

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I thought this was an excellent post and tweet.

Morey is an analytics guy, and a shooter in the clutch is exactly what that team has needed.

I get the thinking that DLo would help us even more if we brought in Simmons, but we may have a new guy in the clutch coming up in Edwards - spread the floor and get out of his way.

[SO_MONEY]

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Ummmm....

Not sure he is a top 50 guy, but even if he is that is an arbitrary number and doesn't in any way validate his contract.

[NYSixersFan]

Here’s my question for 76ers fans that post this opinion. Lillard and Beal are not being traded this offseason. Maybe at the deadline at the very earliest.

So, since they are not an option, would you prefer a package that includes more win-now pieces, something like Beasley, Russell (or three way getting you someone like Brogdon) but no picks or maybe one pick. Helps more now but eliminates you from a Lillard or Beal deal at the deadline because you probably don’t have the assets.

Or something like Beverly/Beasley and a boatload of picks/swaps. Doesn’t help as much now but gives you a bunch of currency when that star does become available. Portland/Washington are going to want picks if they trade their star because they’re going full rebuild, not as much players.

My answer would be somewhere in between what you proposed...If I could get something like CJ McCollum, Beverly and a couple of picks, I'd probably take it.....I don't think the Sixers would want Russell....Russell and Curry backcourt would be a disaster defensively.

You're reasonable. However, why does Portland jump in if the Wolves are getting Simmons?

I have no idea. I was just using McCollum as an example of the type of player that would interest me

[jpatrick]

Here’s my question for 76ers fans that post this opinion. Lillard and Beal are not being traded this offseason. Maybe at the deadline at the very earliest.

So, since they are not an option, would you prefer a package that includes more win-now pieces, something like Beasley, Russell (or three way getting you someone like Brogdon) but no picks or maybe one pick. Helps more now but eliminates you from a Lillard or Beal deal at the deadline because you probably don’t have the assets.

Or something like Beverly/Beasley and a boatload of picks/swaps. Doesn’t help as much now but gives you a bunch of currency when that star does become available. Portland/Washington are going to want picks if they trade their star because they’re going full rebuild, not as much players.

My answer would be somewhere in between what you proposed...If I could get something like CJ McCollum, Beverly and a couple of picks, I'd probably take it.....I don't think the Sixers would want Russell....Russell and Curry backcourt would be a disaster defensively.

You're reasonable. However, why does Portland jump in if the Wolves are getting Simmons?

Yeah, Portland is not involved unless they are getting Simmons. And I agree a Russell/Curry or to a lesser extent Russell/Beasley backcourt is not good defensively. I don’t see why you’d think a CJ/Curry backcourt would be better. CJ’s not been a good defensive player historically. Now, he’s 30. Still small and not elite athletically. That defense isn’t getting better.

Russell has historically been an absolutely awful defender. But he actually tried at the end of last year. And he has the size/length to be somewhat effective on that end with effort. The hope is that with proper motivation, he can go from awful to average to only slightly below average defensively.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Trading dlo would be so stupid. If Kat or ant go down, we have 1 guy who can get 30 a night

[FinnTheHuman]

Trading dlo would be so stupid. If Kat or ant go down, we have 1 guy who can get 30 a night

What kind of argument is that? If one of the top 2 players/scorers on almost any team go down, you just shouldn't hope to achieve much that season, you should just wait for the next one lol. We have nothing to hope for if KAT or Ant go down for a long time.

[NYSixersFan]

My answer would be somewhere in between what you proposed...If I could get something like CJ McCollum, Beverly and a couple of picks, I'd probably take it.....I don't think the Sixers would want Russell....Russell and Curry backcourt would be a disaster defensively.

You're reasonable. However, why does Portland jump in if the Wolves are getting Simmons?

Yeah, Portland is not involved unless they are getting Simmons. And I agree a Russell/Curry or to a lesser extent Russell/Beasley backcourt is not good defensively. I don’t see why you’d think a CJ/Curry backcourt would be better. CJ’s not been a good defensive player historically. Now, he’s 30. Still small and not elite athletically. That defense isn’t getting better.

Russell has historically been an absolutely awful defender. But he actually tried at the end of last year. And he has the size/length to be somewhat effective on that end with effort. The hope is that with proper motivation, he can go from awful to average to only slightly below average defensively.

I would start Beverly with CJ

[FinnTheHuman]

Draymond is not washed, wtf are you talking about? Have you watched the guy play last season? He’s not at his peak, but he didn’t drop far from it. I’d be absolutely thrilled to have him on the Wolves, he’d do more for both our defense and offense than Simmons.

It's foolish to make trades with a 1-year outlook on your franchise. Should be looking 3-4 years ahead at what a trade can do for the trajectory of your franchise. By then, one of them will be 35/way past his prime and the other 29/right in the heart of his prime.

Draymond will still be a great player until 36-37 probably which is the next 5-6 years. Teams shouldn't plan that much ahead anymore when players can ask out whenever they want to in this day and age.

[KGdaBom]

Draymond is not washed, wtf are you talking about? Have you watched the guy play last season? He’s not at his peak, but he didn’t drop far from it. I’d be absolutely thrilled to have him on the Wolves, he’d do more for both our defense and offense than Simmons.

It's foolish to make trades with a 1-year outlook on your franchise. Should be looking 3-4 years ahead at what a trade can do for the trajectory of your franchise. By then, one of them will be 35/way past his prime and the other 29/right in the heart of his prime.

Draymond will still be a great player until 36-37 probably which is the next 5-6 years. Teams shouldn't plan that much ahead anymore when players can ask out whenever they want to in this day and age.

Dray was terrible in the 19-20 season missing a ton games due to tankitis. I will take your word for it that he bounced back last year. I don't think he will age well.

[FinnTheHuman]

It's foolish to make trades with a 1-year outlook on your franchise. Should be looking 3-4 years ahead at what a trade can do for the trajectory of your franchise. By then, one of them will be 35/way past his prime and the other 29/right in the heart of his prime.

Draymond will still be a great player until 36-37 probably which is the next 5-6 years. Teams shouldn't plan that much ahead anymore when players can ask out whenever they want to in this day and age.

Dray was terrible in the 19-20 season missing a ton games due to tankitis. I will take your word for it that he bounced back last year. I don't think he will age well.

People voted him as the favorite to win DPOY in a recent realgm poll, that's how good he looked defensively last season. I think people give up too fast on these 30+ year old guys, being 30+ in 2021 is very different than being 30+ in 2010, guys can play high level basketball deeper into their 30's now.

[KGdaBom]

Draymond will still be a great player until 36-37 probably which is the next 5-6 years. Teams shouldn't plan that much ahead anymore when players can ask out whenever they want to in this day and age.

Dray was terrible in the 19-20 season missing a ton games due to tankitis. I will take your word for it that he bounced back last year. I don't think he will age well.

People voted him as the favorite to win DPOY in a recent realgm poll, that's how good he looked defensively last season. I think people give up too fast on these 30+ year old guys, being 30+ in 2021 is very different than being 30+ in 2010, guys can play high level basketball deeper into their 30's now.

I think he is very tightly wound and injuries are going to be a regular occurrence going forward. I could certainly be wrong.

[Klomp]

Teams shouldn't plan that much ahead anymore when players can ask out whenever they want to in this day and age.

That's actually why it's so important to have the foresight to look ahead at what could come. If not, you get completely blindsided with your head in the sand when a trade request does come or someone leaves in free agency. If you've planned for the possibility, you are that much more prepared when it happens.

[Baseline81]

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[FinnTheHuman]

Teams shouldn't plan that much ahead anymore when players can ask out whenever they want to in this day and age.

That's actually why it's so important to have the foresight to look ahead at what could come. If not, you get completely blindsided with your head in the sand when a trade request does come or someone leaves in free agency. If you've planned for the possibility, you are that much more prepared when it happens.

Yeah, and the best way to avoid players wanting out is winning a lot, and we would win a lot with Draymond. Thinking about whether you'll win in 6 years is looking too far ahead, we might be successful with Simmons for 3 or 4 years and then we start losing because reasons and suddenly all this math you did where Simmons is going to be 29 in 5 years has zero relevance to you, because he wants out when he's 28.

If we find ways to win with Draymond, a player of his mold will be available for us to sign once Draymond becomes too old, because that player will know he's gonna have a role with us and we're gonna win a lot with him. Maybe in that hypothetical scenario, we get to sign Simmons when he's 30 and Draymond is retiring.

Bottom line is, you don't shy away from signing players in their 30's, they often have a lot of good years left, signing a 24 year old guy instead of a 30 year old guy if you are trying to win and not rebuilding is pretty much equal if they are of around equal quality. Draymond is probably gonna be a better player than Simmons for the next 3 or 4 years.

[fattymcgee]

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Ummmm....

Not sure he is a top 50 guy, but even if he is that is an arbitrary number and doesn't in any way validate his contract.

Legendary analyst David Aldridge would also disagree with you.

"If not the Wolves, which other teams are the most likely to get involved?

Aldridge: It’s not as cut and dried as you’d think, given Simmons’ numbers and status in the league the last couple of seasons. He’s clearly a top-20, 25 guy."