Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons

[ash_k]

The biggest issue with Simmons defensively is he doesn't defend bigs (doesn't want to defend bigs?) which limits his overall versatility. For this reason, he will never be as valuable defensively as OG who can defend 1-5.

He defends everybody though. Bigs and small. He is an extremely physical player :His first love in sport is Australian rules football, that's all you really need to know.

He's the same guy that challenged Kyle to a fight after a game and then hid in the locker room while Kyle waited in the hallway. That's all you really need to know about his toughness. Can I guard the occasional C on a switch? Sure. Should I be a full-time back-up C when Embiid is on the bench? Nope.

cmon nobody fights in the league these days. Both Gordon and Simmons have 40+ pounds on Kyle. Kyle was just posturing and you know it . Kudos to Kyle, but there are weight classes in fighting for a reason.
You need a certain mindset/level of physicality to play Australian rules football. They are Warriors.

Ben is not a center, can he defend centers at times? of course.. full-time? he can't. Just like OG. He will get injured (see that weight class stuff). Just like OG got injured defending Sabonis. Ben's injury record is his only con!

[ash_k]

He's primarily a guard/wing defender though. Rarely does he defend bigs.

best perimeter in the league, but he has no issues defending the bigs on switches. none.

Id ask to show your work, but no doubt its anecdotal.



He gets torched by Cs.



And if it wasnt for the fact that (and for reasons we dont know) "stretch bigs" miss open shots at a high clip it would be even worse.

More analytics for people that don't watch games. Just like a poster showing FVV's driving stats to falsely claim that he is a better driver than Simmons (when anybody that actually watches games know that he is nowhere near Ben in that regard)
Who are those bigs you are referring to? In the east, only his teammate Embiid and Sabonis are legit bigs. Is Giannis the big your analytics are referring to?
in the West, only Jokic .. Certainly not DPOY Gobert.
Who are those scoring bigs allegedly "torching" the best perimeter defender in the league on those switches?

[sidsid]

Pascal is better than Simmons. There's no way that's our offer.

Siakam is the better, proven playoff player, no doubt.

But a trade like this happens for other reasons. Like both Simmons and Siakam requesting trades. Or what the plan is for the team long term.

A trade for Simmons isn't for what he gives you now, but what you think he can be 3 years from now in his prime, next to a similar aged core. If the FO sees the upside as similar or higher than keeping Siakam, trading for that window would make sense.

If the trade could be done without moving our high value assets: Siakam, OG and future unprotected draft assets (i.e. FVV as the base), Ben Simmons would already be on this team right now.

[vini_vidi_vici]

best perimeter in the league, but he has no issues defending the bigs on switches. none.

Id ask to show your work, but no doubt its anecdotal.



He gets torched by Cs.



And if it wasnt for the fact that (and for reasons we dont know) "stretch bigs" miss open shots at a high clip it would be even worse.

More analytics for people that don't watch games. Just like a poster showing FVV's driving stats to falsely claim that he is a better driver than Simmons (when anybody that actually watches games know that he is nowhere near Ben in that regard)
Who are those bigs you are referring to? In the east, only his teammate Embiid and Sabonis are legit bigs. Is Giannis the big your analytics are referring to?
in the West, only Jokic .. Certainly not DPOY Gobert.
Who are those scoring bigs allegedly "torching" the best perimeter defender in the league on those switches?

Youre right, I dont watch games.



Im done here.

[OakleyDokely]

Id ask to show your work, but no doubt its anecdotal.



He gets torched by Cs.



And if it wasnt for the fact that (and for reasons we dont know) "stretch bigs" miss open shots at a high clip it would be even worse.

More analytics for people that don't watch games. Just like a poster showing FVV's driving stats to falsely claim that he is a better driver than Simmons (when anybody that actually watches games know that he is nowhere near Ben in that regard)
Who are those bigs you are referring to? In the east, only his teammate Embiid and Sabonis are legit bigs. Is Giannis the big your analytics are referring to?
in the West, only Jokic .. Certainly not DPOY Gobert.
Who are those scoring bigs allegedly "torching" the best perimeter defender in the league on those switches?

Youre right, I dont watch games.



Im done here.

Watching the games combined with stats is hell of a lot more valuable than just watching the games because your eyes can deceive you and everyone has certain biases.

[scuervo1]

Sixers' fans are now talking themselves into a CJ + 1 round unprotected pick to be a fair trade at this point. Simmons value is lower than ever I would say...

[anotherhomer]

Sixers' fans are now talking themselfs about CJ + 1 round unprotected pick to be a fair trade at this point. Simmons value is lower than ever I would say...

sixers fans definitely are lowering the bar at this point.....
they are kind of pass the denial point

[ash_k]

Id ask to show your work, but no doubt its anecdotal.



He gets torched by Cs.



And if it wasnt for the fact that (and for reasons we dont know) "stretch bigs" miss open shots at a high clip it would be even worse.

More analytics for people that don't watch games. Just like a poster showing FVV's driving stats to falsely claim that he is a better driver than Simmons (when anybody that actually watches games know that he is nowhere near Ben in that regard)
Who are those bigs you are referring to? In the east, only his teammate Embiid and Sabonis are legit bigs. Is Giannis the big your analytics are referring to?
in the West, only Jokic .. Certainly not DPOY Gobert.
Who are those scoring bigs allegedly "torching" the best perimeter defender in the league on those switches?

Youre right, I dont watch games.



Im done here.

then answer my question
Who are those scoring bigs allegedly "torching" the best perimeter defender in the league on those switches?

Spoiler:

Just like a poster showing FVV's driving stats to falsely claim that he is a better driver than Simmons (when anybody that actually watches games know that he is nowhere near Ben in that regard)
Who are those bigs you are referring to? In the east, only his teammate Embiid and Sabonis are legit bigs. Is Giannis the big your analytics are referring to?
in the West, only Jokic .. Certainly not DPOY Gobert.

[ash_k]

More analytics for people that don't watch games. Just like a poster showing FVV's driving stats to falsely claim that he is a better driver than Simmons (when anybody that actually watches games know that he is nowhere near Ben in that regard)
Who are those bigs you are referring to? In the east, only his teammate Embiid and Sabonis are legit bigs. Is Giannis the big your analytics are referring to?
in the West, only Jokic .. Certainly not DPOY Gobert.
Who are those scoring bigs allegedly "torching" the best perimeter defender in the league on those switches?

Youre right, I dont watch games.



Im done here.

Watching the games combined with stats is hell of a lot more valuable than just watching the games because your eyes can deceive you and everyone has certain biases.

you don't need analytics to see that Ben could have easily won DPOY this season. Just watch the games and more games. Some have even compared Stanley Johnson to Ben Simmons.
Just like we don't need analytics to see that Gobert is certainly not an undeserving winner.

[Badonkadonk]

best perimeter in the league, but he has no issues defending the bigs on switches. none.

Id ask to show your work, but no doubt its anecdotal.



He gets torched by Cs.



And if it wasnt for the fact that (and for reasons we dont know) "stretch bigs" miss open shots at a high clip it would be even worse.

More analytics for people that don't watch games. Just like a poster showing FVV's driving stats to falsely claim that he is a better driver than Simmons (when anybody that actually watches games know that he is nowhere near Ben in that regard)
Who are those bigs you are referring to? In the east, only his teammate Embiid and Sabonis are legit bigs. Is Giannis the big your analytics are referring to?
in the West, only Jokic .. Certainly not DPOY Gobert.
Who are those scoring bigs allegedly "torching" the best perimeter defender in the league on those switches?

Speak for yourself, the stats posted the past few pages corroborate my eye test for Simmons.

I've long thought he's one of the most overrated players in the league. More importantly, watching him in the playoffs has really exposed his limitations and how you can gameplan against a guard who can't shoot. If it's obvious to a simpleton like me (basically played through school/rec and coached kids), it's no wonder NBA coaching staffs and scouts have a field day against the Sixers.

[ruckus]

Pascal is better than Simmons. There's no way that's our offer.

Siakam is the better, proven playoff player, no doubt.

But a trade like this happens for other reasons. Like both Simmons and Siakam requesting trades. Or what the plan is for the team long term.

A trade for Simmons isn't for what he gives you now, but what you think he can be 3 years from now in his prime, next to a similar aged core. If the FO sees the upside as similar or higher than keeping Siakam, trading for that window would make sense.

If the trade could be done without moving our high value assets: Siakam, OG and future unprotected draft assets (i.e. FVV as the base), Ben Simmons would already be on this team right now.

The problem in this case is that Simmons is making max money with a skillset that clearly isn't worth max money and may not be worthy of the contract in 3 or 4 years. It's basically a gamble that the team can help him develop his shot and his confidence in his shot. It's also a gamble that Ben takes it seriously enough to put the work in to make it worth it.

What I saw from him last playoffs indicates he may not have the mentality to get there.

[HangTime]

I still don't get why teams would offer picks, let alone 1 pick.

Simmons is a net negative in almost all trade scenarios, and his contract makes it hurt that much more.

Dragic, Boucher for Simmons and a pick.

That should be the only offer we give Philly.

[ash_k]

Id ask to show your work, but no doubt its anecdotal.



He gets torched by Cs.



And if it wasnt for the fact that (and for reasons we dont know) "stretch bigs" miss open shots at a high clip it would be even worse.

More analytics for people that don't watch games. Just like a poster showing FVV's driving stats to falsely claim that he is a better driver than Simmons (when anybody that actually watches games know that he is nowhere near Ben in that regard)
Who are those bigs you are referring to? In the east, only his teammate Embiid and Sabonis are legit bigs. Is Giannis the big your analytics are referring to?
in the West, only Jokic .. Certainly not DPOY Gobert.
Who are those scoring bigs allegedly "torching" the best perimeter defender in the league on those switches?

Speak for yourself, the stats posted the past few pages corroborate my eye test for Simmons.

I've long thought he's one of the most overrated players in the league. More importantly, watching him in the playoffs has really exposed his limitations and how you can gameplan against a guard who can't shoot. If it's obvious to a simpleton like me (basically played through school/rec and coached kids), it's no wonder NBA coaching staffs and scouts have a field day against the Sixers.

I don't know how anyone that knows anything about Basketball can call a NBA player that is DPOY&triple-double threat "overrated": He is the only NBA player (outside of Giannis) with that combination.
The Sixers were first seed this season for a reason and up 20+ and 15+ in that Hawks series. Meaning they could have easily gone through. Easily . Ben is not the first superstar without a jumpshot.
Your eye test must look for offense while mine looks for both offense and defense equally.

[Badonkadonk]

More analytics for people that don't watch games. Just like a poster showing FVV's driving stats to falsely claim that he is a better driver than Simmons (when anybody that actually watches games know that he is nowhere near Ben in that regard)
Who are those bigs you are referring to? In the east, only his teammate Embiid and Sabonis are legit bigs. Is Giannis the big your analytics are referring to?
in the West, only Jokic .. Certainly not DPOY Gobert.
Who are those scoring bigs allegedly "torching" the best perimeter defender in the league on those switches?

Speak for yourself, the stats posted the past few pages corroborate my eye test for Simmons.

I've long thought he's one of the most overrated players in the league. More importantly, watching him in the playoffs has really exposed his limitations and how you can gameplan against a guard who can't shoot. If it's obvious to a simpleton like me (basically played through school/rec and coached kids), it's no wonder NBA coaching staffs and scouts have a field day against the Sixers.

I don't know how anyone that knows anything about Basketball can call a NBA player that is DPOY&triple-double threat "overrated": He is the only NBA player (outside of Giannis) with that combination.
The Sixers were first seed this season for a reason and up 20+ and 15+ in that Hawks series. Meaning they could have easily gone through. Easily . Ben is not the first superstar without a jumpshot.
Your eye test must look for offense while mine looks for both offense and defense equally.

It begins with the recognition that DPOY votes are skewed by popularity and, for some reason, offensive production. But please keep citing hypotheticals and your opinion in lieu of analysis

[Oakville_Raptor]

It's either Simmons for CJ or DLo and scraps at this point. Can't see the Sixers getting any better offers.

[mickie]

He defends everybody though. Bigs and small. He is an extremely physical player :His first love in sport is Australian rules football, that's all you really need to know.

He's the same guy that challenged Kyle to a fight after a game and then hid in the locker room while Kyle waited in the hallway. That's all you really need to know about his toughness. Can I guard the occasional C on a switch? Sure. Should I be a full-time back-up C when Embiid is on the bench? Nope.

cmon nobody fights in the league these days. Both Gordon and Simmons have 40+ pounds on Kyle. Kyle was just posturing and you know it . Kudos to Kyle, but there are weight classes in fighting for a reason.
You need a certain mindset/level of physicality to play Australian rules football. They are Warriors.

Ben is not a center, can he defend centers at times? of course.. full-time? he can't. Just like OG. He will get injured (see that weight class stuff). Just like OG got injured defending Sabonis. Ben's injury record is his only con!

Manny Pacquiao i guess didnt get that memo

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Ben gets away with highly physical play that most people get called for. Part of that is the ESPN hype machine, they make a lot of money from Sixers viewers. Like it or not, that translates to referees giving more favorable calls.

Would he be able to retain that ability if he gets traded here? They'll crap on him or ignore him, either way.

[ash_k]

He's the same guy that challenged Kyle to a fight after a game and then hid in the locker room while Kyle waited in the hallway. That's all you really need to know about his toughness. Can I guard the occasional C on a switch? Sure. Should I be a full-time back-up C when Embiid is on the bench? Nope.

cmon nobody fights in the league these days. Both Gordon and Simmons have 40+ pounds on Kyle. Kyle was just posturing and you know it . Kudos to Kyle, but there are weight classes in fighting for a reason.
You need a certain mindset/level of physicality to play Australian rules football. They are Warriors.

Ben is not a center, can he defend centers at times? of course.. full-time? he can't. Just like OG. He will get injured (see that weight class stuff). Just like OG got injured defending Sabonis. Ben's injury record is his only con!

Manny Pacquiao i guess didnt get that memo

PEDs can do miracles you know!

[ash_k]

Speak for yourself, the stats posted the past few pages corroborate my eye test for Simmons.

I've long thought he's one of the most overrated players in the league. More importantly, watching him in the playoffs has really exposed his limitations and how you can gameplan against a guard who can't shoot. If it's obvious to a simpleton like me (basically played through school/rec and coached kids), it's no wonder NBA coaching staffs and scouts have a field day against the Sixers.

I don't know how anyone that knows anything about Basketball can call a NBA player that is DPOY&triple-double threat "overrated": He is the only NBA player (outside of Giannis) with that combination.
The Sixers were first seed this season for a reason and up 20+ and 15+ in that Hawks series. Meaning they could have easily gone through. Easily . Ben is not the first superstar without a jumpshot.
Your eye test must look for offense while mine looks for both offense and defense equally.

It begins with the recognition that DPOY votes are skewed by popularity and, for some reason, offensive production. But please keep citing hypotheticals and your opinion in lieu of analysis

Oh yeah that "popularity contest" thing again.. just like Pascal Siakam got 2nd All-NBA team because he was popular. Like being the only player being a DPOY&Triple-threat (outside of Giannis)is an "opinion". okay bud! Cheers

[ATLTimekeeper]

He defends everybody though. Bigs and small. He is an extremely physical player :His first love in sport is Australian rules football, that's all you really need to know.

He's the same guy that challenged Kyle to a fight after a game and then hid in the locker room while Kyle waited in the hallway. That's all you really need to know about his toughness. Can I guard the occasional C on a switch? Sure. Should I be a full-time back-up C when Embiid is on the bench? Nope.

cmon nobody fights in the league these days. Both Gordon and Simmons have 40+ pounds on Kyle. Kyle was just posturing and you know it . Kudos to Kyle, but there are weight classes in fighting for a reason.
You need a certain mindset/level of physicality to play Australian rules football. They are Warriors.

Ben is not a center, can he defend centers at times? of course.. full-time? he can't. Just like OG. He will get injured (see that weight class stuff). Just like OG got injured defending Sabonis. Ben's injury record is his only con!

Ben challenged Kyle to the fight and Kyle was the one posturing

He played some Aussie rules football as a kid when he was likely the biggest person around. You know what that means. Blake Griffin was "football" player tough until he hit the NBA and had to play guys his own size and bigger. If you want to talk weight class, then you know as well as I do he's about as much of a "warrior" as any 15 year old playing hockey right now. Put that one to bed. Ben's accent isn't even Australian anymore

Now, as for the full-time C, I clearly said back up C to Embiid. So, what 15 minutes a night? He's (according to you) 6"11, 240. He's bigger than Al Horford!