Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[OGSactownballer]

I heard Sacramento is one of the three Cali teams Simmons is interested in (not the Lakers for whatever reason).

I mean if we’re discussing McCollum are Barnes/Hield that far behind? lol

Our picks might be more sought after

I’m thinking that at this point the “offers” are nothing but hot air rumors planted by Morey in a desperate attempt to recover value. He is backed into the corner with no way out. Every desperate move now - having Embiid and Doc post nicey nice in their Twitter for example - only makes his situation worse.

Ben has declared he won’t come to camp and he’s not backing off that. Fines and docked pay can’t hurt him - he’s already very wealthy. And Rich Paul (LeBron) is pissed and pulling clients out - never a good sign for a team.

I don’t think that another team can field a mixed package/desirable picks that matches Hield/Barnes/filler and an unprotected ‘25 with maybe a swap that keeps Philly in a real win now mode and fits and balances their roster. Then Sac takes Maxes back too or swings him to a third team.

And I’m guessing that’s where it’s going to end up.

The value only drops faster and faster the closer camp gets and you know that Klutch will be pushing out strategic nasty grams until it happens.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I heard Sacramento is one of the three Cali teams Simmons is interested in (not the Lakers for whatever reason).

I mean if we’re discussing McCollum are Barnes/Hield that far behind? lol

Our picks might be more sought after

I’m thinking that at this point the “offers” are nothing but hot air rumors planted by Morey in a desperate attempt to recover value. He is backed into the corner with no way out. Every desperate move now - having Embiid and Doc post nicey nice in their Twitter for example - only makes his situation worse.

Ben has declared he won’t come to camp and he’s not backing off that. Fines and docked pay can’t hurt him - he’s already very wealthy. And Rich Paul (LeBron) is pissed and pulling clients out - never a good sign for a team.

I don’t think that another team can field a mixed package/desirable picks that matches Hield/Barnes/filler and an unprotected ‘25 with maybe a swap that keeps Philly in a real win now mode and fits and balances their roster. Then Sac takes Maxes back too or swings him to a third team.

And I’m guessing that’s where it’s going to end up.

The value only drops faster and faster the closer camp gets and you know that Klutch will be pushing out strategic nasty grams until it happens.

It is a major fallacy to believe that the reports about other teams aren’t true, but the one about Simmons not reporting to camp is. That’s narrative seeking. And while all of us love a good bargain, I can promise that Ben will not go for Barnes/Buddy/ 1 pick

[kuclas]

I heard Sacramento is one of the three Cali teams Simmons is interested in (not the Lakers for whatever reason).

I mean if we’re discussing McCollum are Barnes/Hield that far behind? lol

Our picks might be more sought after

I’m thinking that at this point the “offers” are nothing but hot air rumors planted by Morey in a desperate attempt to recover value. He is backed into the corner with no way out. Every desperate move now - having Embiid and Doc post nicey nice in their Twitter for example - only makes his situation worse.

Ben has declared he won’t come to camp and he’s not backing off that. Fines and docked pay can’t hurt him - he’s already very wealthy. And Rich Paul (LeBron) is pissed and pulling clients out - never a good sign for a team.

I don’t think that another team can field a mixed package/desirable picks that matches Hield/Barnes/filler and an unprotected ‘25 with maybe a swap that keeps Philly in a real win now mode and fits and balances their roster. Then Sac takes Maxes back too or swings him to a third team.

And I’m guessing that’s where it’s going to end up.

The value only drops faster and faster the closer camp gets and you know that Klutch will be pushing out strategic nasty grams until it happens.

Rich Paul does not bring any any players to Sixers anyways. So he has zero leverage. It’s not like hey. We can do business with my other clients.

Maxey is under team control for the next 6-7 seasons. Simmons next 4 seasons

This isn’t AD situation where he has one year left and Paul has all the leverage in the world to get his client elsewhere. Simmons is paid max money. Not only max money but super max rookie extension money cause he got third team all nba. He can fake a Back injury and take 6 months to recover. That’s fine. Sixers will just sit tight

Regular season doesn’t matter anyways. Health of Embiid is all that matters comes playoff time. Simmons will get traded eventually but it will be closer to trade deadline.

Sacramento will be their usual losing team
Cleveland also losing team
Portland will thread water as 6-7 seed
Wizards will still be 8-10 seed.
Minnesota if they are lucky will be sitting at a 8-9 seed
Depending on health of klay. GSW looking at a 5-6 seed at trade deadline.

Those teams are not going anywhere

A lot can happen from now to trade deadline. The only way I see simmons getting traded is if Embiid goes down with season ending injury early. Sixers will run Simmons wild transition game jack up his stats 25/8/8 with Embiid out than trade him.

[HartfordWhalers]

It might be best for Philly to keep Simmons but has there ever been this much trade talk and not a trade ?
And if your answer goes back to Kobe I think thy shows the point.

[OGSactownballer]

I’m gonna ignore the noise and add that our GM just happens to be Morey’s old deputy so I think he knows his old boss’ games just a bit better than anyone else out there floundering around.
He’s just being smart and patient. And the value keeps sinking day after day.

[HartfordWhalers]

I will add, most of these teams can also just wait 4 years so really shouldn’t offer any value now.

[eminence]

Count me with those who think this gets wrapped up prior to the season.

[OGSactownballer]

Count me with those who think this gets wrapped up prior to the season.

And this.

You just don’t generally want this situation to go to into the season. It’s disruptive to the rest of your team and value just completely tanks with a non superstar player. And no matter how we perceive Simmons the fact is he has proven talent and there is a high level place for him in the league in the right roster.

But it’s unsalvageable in Philly now. There just isn’t any walk back from this place now matter how much fans might want to fool themselves or talk themselves into thinking it’s so.

[BoogieTime]

Dame just liked a post about the Blazers adding Simmons. Is he going in on McCollum who has had his back?

Sixers might have leverage on the Blazers because they need to appease Lillard

The Sixers would need close a Harden draft pick haul with McCollum IMO

[Zeno]

Ben Is making 33 million this year and Philly is 5.5 million into the tax. Hypothetically, if he sits out 14 games would they be out of the tax?

[BullyKing]

So I was messing around on the trade machine and just wanted to look at OKC as possible destination that no one's talked about in a while. So assuming SGA isn't on the table (and can't be traded now any way), I was looking at any win now pieces on their roster that might interest the Sixers. And man, other than Kenrich Williams* there is literally nothing. Now don't take that as an insult. As the biggest Process truther there is, I mean it as a huge compliment.

*Don't come at me with Favors.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Dame just liked a post about the Blazers adding Simmons. Is he going in on McCollum who has had his back?

Sixers might have leverage on the Blazers because they need to appease Lillard

The Sixers would need close a Harden draft pick haul with McCollum IMO

The team that has the player threatening to sit out has leverage????

[JRoy]

Dame just liked a post about the Blazers adding Simmons. Is he going in on McCollum who has had his back?

Sixers might have leverage on the Blazers because they need to appease Lillard

The Sixers would need close a Harden draft pick haul with McCollum IMO

If there is any leverage it is Simmons having it on the Sixers. He gets paid whatever his trade value.

They are the team that needs to make a move and every other team knows that.

[Texas Chuck]

So I was messing around on the trade machine and just wanted to look at OKC as possible destination that no one's talked about in a while. So assuming SGA isn't on the table (and can't be traded now any way), I was looking at any win now pieces on their roster that might interest the Sixers. And man, other than Kenrich Williams* there is literally nothing. Now don't take that as an insult. As the biggest Process truther there is, I mean it as a huge compliment.

*Don't come at me with Favors.

moneytalks was a big Simmons guy and was willing to give good value at the draft if I recall correctly. So the question would be what teams have good players they would move solely for futures? Are there enough of those available going into a season with relatively few tankers to satisfy Philly without OKC having to vastly overpay?

Because I agree OKC makes a ton of sense to use some of their picks on Simmons.

[Texas Chuck]

I will add, most of these teams can also just wait 4 years so really shouldn’t offer any value now.

I would pay for him now but he's either too old or too young for our timeline, not sure which, but definitely one of them. He's older than Luka and younger than everyone else relevant so it just wouldn't make sense for Dallas.

Plus he's bad at one thing so I ignore all that other stuff he's really really good at that have proven to be really valuable. Oh and he's mentally weak. And Philly has no leverage and neither do any other teams, just my team specifically.

[Godaddycurse]

So I was messing around on the trade machine and just wanted to look at OKC as possible destination that no one's talked about in a while. So assuming SGA isn't on the table (and can't be traded now any way), I was looking at any win now pieces on their roster that might interest the Sixers. And man, other than Kenrich Williams* there is literally nothing. Now don't take that as an insult. As the biggest Process truther there is, I mean it as a huge compliment.

*Don't come at me with Favors.

Dort?

[BullyKing]

So I was messing around on the trade machine and just wanted to look at OKC as possible destination that no one's talked about in a while. So assuming SGA isn't on the table (and can't be traded now any way), I was looking at any win now pieces on their roster that might interest the Sixers. And man, other than Kenrich Williams* there is literally nothing. Now don't take that as an insult. As the biggest Process truther there is, I mean it as a huge compliment.

*Don't come at me with Favors.

moneytalks was a big Simmons guy and was willing to give good value at the draft if I recall correctly. So the question would be what teams have good players they would move solely for futures? Are there enough of those available going into a season with relatively few tankers to satisfy Philly without OKC having to vastly overpay?

Because I agree OKC makes a ton of sense to use some of their picks on Simmons.

Honestly, if I was Morey I wouldn't even need that many win now players. The only thing I'd definitely need to acquire is an initiator because honestly they need one anyway. Give me that and Williams and I'd be happy to sit on the bounty of picks of see what presents itself at the deadline. Regular season doesn't matter that much any way.

[zimpy27]

So I was messing around on the trade machine and just wanted to look at OKC as possible destination that no one's talked about in a while. So assuming SGA isn't on the table (and can't be traded now any way), I was looking at any win now pieces on their roster that might interest the Sixers. And man, other than Kenrich Williams* there is literally nothing. Now don't take that as an insult. As the biggest Process truther there is, I mean it as a huge compliment.

*Don't come at me with Favors.

I'd say Giddey+Muscala+FRPs would be the right package for Simmons

[HotelVitale]

Count me with those who think this gets wrapped up prior to the season.

And this. You just don’t generally want this situation to go to into the season. It’s disruptive to the rest of your team and value just completely tanks with a non superstar player. And no matter how we perceive Simmons the fact is he has proven talent and there is a high level place for him in the league in the right roster. But it’s unsalvageable in Philly now. There just isn’t any walk back from this place now matter how much fans might want to fool themselves or talk themselves into thinking it’s so.

OG, maybe you can just put into your sig that you're hoping 1) the Sixers desperately need to move Ben Simmons immediately and 2) that there are no other serious offers on the table beyond the really weak Kings' ones you keep bringing up. If you're right then hallelujah you all get a great steal, if not then it's back to hoping Fox and Halliburton can make leaps and things work out with Bagley and Hield.

Not trying to be dismissive of your thoughts but seems like you're stuck repeating the version of things that would be exciting for you. Which I get--it would be awesome to get Simmons for nothing if I was a Kings' fan--but no one knows if either of those things will be true and there's definitely reasons to doubt both (especially #2), and no one is learning anything by you continually restating that they are the one and only truth that is happening right now.

[Lovetron Joe]

I will add, most of these teams can also just wait 4 years so really shouldn’t offer any value now.

I would pay for him now but he's either too old or too young for our timeline, not sure which, but definitely one of them. He's older than Luka and younger than everyone else relevant so it just wouldn't make sense for Dallas.

Plus he's bad at one thing so I ignore all that other stuff he's really really good at that have proven to be really valuable. Oh and he's mentally weak. And Philly has no leverage and neither do any other teams, just my team specifically.

Post of the year.