We HAVE to trade Deandre Jordan

[Prokorov]

This threat probably is not what you are expecting...

This is not a "DJ needs to go" or "DJ is washed" or "DJ is high salary dead weight"

No, this is much more strategic.

With the LMA news, the Nets will need to clear a roster spot. and while bembry is not full guaranteed, he wont be the one who goes because the nets are not gonna carry 5 centers (blake, lma, claxton, sharpe, DJ) into the season.

DJ is the odd man out. and we CANT buy him out. as much as he is lazy and some say he is done or outright hate on the dude, he is still a legit 15-20 mpg center and top 5-10 rim runner. you DONT want that going to a competitior like LA/Phill/Milwaukee/Miami, etc...

So trading him is the route. pick his destination so its not coming back to hurt us later. if it cost sharpe it cost sharpe. if it costs seconds it cost seconed. we have an ELITE shot at a title, dont give anyone else even 0.1% more ammo they couldnt get otherwise

[NyCeEvO]

The Nets converted Alize's contract to non-guaranteed, so I think Alize would be cut before Bembry.

Regarding DJ...Dallas, New York, and now Brooklyn are the last 3 teams DJ has played on and the overwhelming majority of fans for each of those organizations complained about DJ's fleet of foot-ness (or lack thereof). It hasn't been just Nets fans.

I have no problem letting him go, because of how extremely limited he is. If he's not paired with a PnR dynamo on offense, his rim running ability is negated. DJ was still a good rim runner until now because teams have had to overplay/double his playmaking PG (i.e. Luca Doncic & Harden) leaving him open for easy finishes. Opposing teams chose to give up dunks to DJ rather than give up an open shots and possibly an additional foul shot to guys like Harden and Luca. And now, even if he's fouled around the rim, he has regressed back to being a 50% FT% shooter so he won't even punish teams for fouling him.

Defensively, he will be the primary one to get "iso mismatch" treatment. If we faced whichever team DJ went to, I'm sure Harden, KD, and Kyrie would relish the opportunity to get DJ in an iso matchup or PnR.

If DJ was a better defender, he'd be much more valuable to the team. But as it stands, his little impact on offense and his inability to defend well anymore make him a waiver wire player for any team.

[Claud]

DJ's getting a buyout. He gone.

[Prokorov]

DJ's getting a buyout. He gone.

This is a really bad move IMO/ i think DJ helps a team like the lakers a ton more then someone like LMA helps us.

RIP Nic Claxtons minutes.

[Prokorov]

The Nets converted Alize's contract to non-guaranteed, so I think Alize would be cut before Bembry.

Regarding DJ...Dallas, New York, and now Brooklyn are the last 3 teams DJ has played on and the overwhelming majority of fans for each of those organizations complained about DJ's fleet of foot-ness (or lack thereof). It hasn't been just Nets fans.

I have no problem letting him go, because of how extremely limited he is. If he's not paired with a PnR dynamo on offense, his rim running ability is negated. DJ was still a good rim runner until now because teams have had to overplay/double his playmaking PG (i.e. Luca Doncic & Harden) leaving him open for easy finishes. Opposing teams chose to give up dunks to DJ rather than give up an open shots and possibly an additional foul shot to guys like Harden and Luca. And now, even if he's fouled around the rim, he has regressed back to being a 50% FT% shooter so he won't even punish teams for fouling him.

Defensively, he will be the primary one to get "iso mismatch" treatment. If we faced whichever team DJ went to, I'm sure Harden, KD, and Kyrie would relish the opportunity to get DJ in an iso matchup or PnR.

If DJ was a better defender, he'd be much more valuable to the team. But as it stands, his little impact on offense and his inability to defend well anymore make him a waiver wire player for any team.

He is still a top rim runner. and paired with lebron/westbrook that is dangerous.

id much rather trade him and sharpe to dump him or something like that if possible.

[sashaturiaf]

The Nets converted Alize's contract to non-guaranteed, so I think Alize would be cut before Bembry.

Regarding DJ...Dallas, New York, and now Brooklyn are the last 3 teams DJ has played on and the overwhelming majority of fans for each of those organizations complained about DJ's fleet of foot-ness (or lack thereof). It hasn't been just Nets fans.

I have no problem letting him go, because of how extremely limited he is. If he's not paired with a PnR dynamo on offense, his rim running ability is negated. DJ was still a good rim runner until now because teams have had to overplay/double his playmaking PG (i.e. Luca Doncic & Harden) leaving him open for easy finishes. Opposing teams chose to give up dunks to DJ rather than give up an open shots and possibly an additional foul shot to guys like Harden and Luca. And now, even if he's fouled around the rim, he has regressed back to being a 50% FT% shooter so he won't even punish teams for fouling him.

Defensively, he will be the primary one to get "iso mismatch" treatment. If we faced whichever team DJ went to, I'm sure Harden, KD, and Kyrie would relish the opportunity to get DJ in an iso matchup or PnR.

If DJ was a better defender, he'd be much more valuable to the team. But as it stands, his little impact on offense and his inability to defend well anymore make him a waiver wire player for any team.

He is still a top rim runner. and paired with lebron/westbrook that is dangerous.

id much rather trade him and sharpe to dump him or something like that if possible.

He does fit them well but I can't see him playing over Dwight if he's on the Lakers. Dwight is probably gives you 80% of DJ on offense while being a much more impactful defender.

If Marks gives up multiple 2nd rounders just to dump him onto the Thunder they would just waive him and he will end up on the Lakers anyway.

Is there a team out there that's not a contender but is also willing to make DJ a contributor? Maybe there is and that's the best case but let's wait and see

[MrDollarBills]

I have no ill will against Jordan, but I'm not scared if the Lakers pick him up.

He has no motor anymore and he is a defensive liability.

[Prokorov]

The Nets converted Alize's contract to non-guaranteed, so I think Alize would be cut before Bembry.

Regarding DJ...Dallas, New York, and now Brooklyn are the last 3 teams DJ has played on and the overwhelming majority of fans for each of those organizations complained about DJ's fleet of foot-ness (or lack thereof). It hasn't been just Nets fans.

I have no problem letting him go, because of how extremely limited he is. If he's not paired with a PnR dynamo on offense, his rim running ability is negated. DJ was still a good rim runner until now because teams have had to overplay/double his playmaking PG (i.e. Luca Doncic & Harden) leaving him open for easy finishes. Opposing teams chose to give up dunks to DJ rather than give up an open shots and possibly an additional foul shot to guys like Harden and Luca. And now, even if he's fouled around the rim, he has regressed back to being a 50% FT% shooter so he won't even punish teams for fouling him.

Defensively, he will be the primary one to get "iso mismatch" treatment. If we faced whichever team DJ went to, I'm sure Harden, KD, and Kyrie would relish the opportunity to get DJ in an iso matchup or PnR.

If DJ was a better defender, he'd be much more valuable to the team. But as it stands, his little impact on offense and his inability to defend well anymore make him a waiver wire player for any team.

He is still a top rim runner. and paired with lebron/westbrook that is dangerous.

id much rather trade him and sharpe to dump him or something like that if possible.

He does fit them well but I can't see him playing over Dwight if he's on the Lakers. Dwight is probably gives you 80% of DJ on offense while being a much more impactful defender.

If Marks gives up multiple 2nd rounders just to dump him onto the Thunder they would just waive him and he will end up on the Lakers anyway.

Is there a team out there that's not a contender but is also willing to make DJ a contributor? Maybe there is and that's the best case but let's wait and see

Dwight is not gonna play 48 minutes or 82 games. Last years lakers where toast often cause of not having enough from bigs on either end. DJ can give a ton to a team at 15 minutes. having dwight there helps DJ

[DarkXaero]

"DJ is the odd man out. and we CANT buy him out. as much as he is lazy and some say he is done or outright hate on the dude, he is still a legit 15-20 mpg center and top 5-10 rim runner. you DONT want that going to a competitior like LA/Phill/Milwaukee/Miami, etc..."

If any of this was true, he would have been traded by now. No one wants him hence the buyout conversation.

[Prokorov]

"DJ is the odd man out. and we CANT buy him out. as much as he is lazy and some say he is done or outright hate on the dude, he is still a legit 15-20 mpg center and top 5-10 rim runner. you DONT want that going to a competitior like LA/Phill/Milwaukee/Miami, etc..."

If any of this was true, he would have been traded by now. No one wants him hence the buyout conversation.

1) the teams that want him, dont have the cap space to provide what we would want in return (salary relief)
2) The teams that would want him are contenders, and the same teams we would want to keep him away from

We saw last year how depth plays a huge role in the playoffs. keeping that from competition is wise.

[Rich Rane]

If DJ is somehow traded, it would most likely be to a non-contending team with cap space and mainly for a first rounder/young talent attached. I'm guessing that team would then work a buyout with him and he'd choose a contender anyway.

[DarkXaero]

"DJ is the odd man out. and we CANT buy him out. as much as he is lazy and some say he is done or outright hate on the dude, he is still a legit 15-20 mpg center and top 5-10 rim runner. you DONT want that going to a competitior like LA/Phill/Milwaukee/Miami, etc..."

If any of this was true, he would have been traded by now. No one wants him hence the buyout conversation.

1) the teams that want him, dont have the cap space to provide what we would want in return (salary relief)
2) The teams that would want him are contenders, and the same teams we would want to keep him away from

We saw last year how depth plays a huge role in the playoffs. keeping that from competition is wise.

No one wants Deandre Jordan on $10 mill/yr. No one. He's a vet minimum player at best.

[DarkXaero]

If DJ is somehow traded, it would most likely be to a non-contending team with cap space and mainly for a first rounder/young talent attached. I'm guessing that team would then work a buyout with him and he'd choose a contender anyway.

Yep. Worrying about DJ going to a contender is hilarious in the first place, but this ends in a buyout regardless.

[Prokorov]

"DJ is the odd man out. and we CANT buy him out. as much as he is lazy and some say he is done or outright hate on the dude, he is still a legit 15-20 mpg center and top 5-10 rim runner. you DONT want that going to a competitior like LA/Phill/Milwaukee/Miami, etc..."

If any of this was true, he would have been traded by now. No one wants him hence the buyout conversation.

1) the teams that want him, dont have the cap space to provide what we would want in return (salary relief)
2) The teams that would want him are contenders, and the same teams we would want to keep him away from

We saw last year how depth plays a huge role in the playoffs. keeping that from competition is wise.

No one wants Deandre Jordan on $10 mill/yr. No one. He's a vet minimum player at best.

He is a 4M type player (Javale McGee range) making 10 million. it probably cost Sharpe and 2nds or something to move him. maybe we take but some non guaranteed money. its not like we are trying to dump some enormous albatross making 25M for 3-4 years

[DarkXaero]

1) the teams that want him, dont have the cap space to provide what we would want in return (salary relief)
2) The teams that would want him are contenders, and the same teams we would want to keep him away from

We saw last year how depth plays a huge role in the playoffs. keeping that from competition is wise.

No one wants Deandre Jordan on $10 mill/yr. No one. He's a vet minimum player at best.

He is a 4M type player (Javale McGee range) making 10 million. it probably cost Sharpe and 2nds or something to move him. maybe we take but some non guaranteed money. its not like we are trying to dump some enormous albatross making 25M for 3-4 years

McGee is way better than DJ, there's no way DJ is worth $4 mill.

[TheNetsFan]

DJ's minimum salary is $2.6mil given his years of service. That'll be his starting point in negotiations. We're likely asking for double that per year, which would make signing Aldridge + Millsap a wash. My guess is that they settle somewhere in the middle, e.g. Nets pay him $6mil per for the next 2 years, which would have him giving up about $3.8mil per year.

If he is bought out, it'll be interesting to see whether we stretch his contract or not. Even more interesting is if he becomes more tradable with an agreed upon buyout, especially at a favorable number. $12mil over 2 is easier to swallow for a team than $19.7 over 2. Timing will also be interesting. If we hypothetically agree to the $12mil buyout, but that executes after the start of the season (I assume that means after Game 1), then he would count for the full $9.8mil this year, but only $2.2mil next year. That could be huge, as I believe the repeater tax kicks in next season.

[Prokorov]

No one wants Deandre Jordan on $10 mill/yr. No one. He's a vet minimum player at best.

He is a 4M type player (Javale McGee range) making 10 million. it probably cost Sharpe and 2nds or something to move him. maybe we take but some non guaranteed money. its not like we are trying to dump some enormous albatross making 25M for 3-4 years

McGee is way better than DJ, there's no way DJ is worth $4 mill.

There is literally nothing to support that mcgee is "way" better then DJ... and I love me some javale mcgee

Last year:

McGee 7 pts, 5 rebs, 1.2 blocks on 51% FG 65% FT 54 TS%

-2.1 BPM -2.74 RPM

DJ 7 points, rebounds, 1.1 blocks on 76% FG 50% FT, 73.6 TS%

+0.7 BPM, -1.02 RPM

Neither shot threes. DJ played 6 more minutes a game. There are more advanced stats we could digest, but the majority also favor deandre. its not all stats, some of it is eye test or circumstance. maybe you can use that to say its even or McGee is better. but no way its "way better". The spot where McGee may have had DJ was blocks or rim protection but he has declined a bit as an athlete which has also effected his finishing/ability to get ot the front of the rim without the ball. which is why McGee was horrid for a bigman in efficiency while DJ was league best type efficiency.

[Prokorov]

DJ's minimum salary is $2.6mil given his years of service. That'll be his starting point in negotiations. We're likely asking for double that per year, which would make signing Aldridge + Millsap a wash. My guess is that they settle somewhere in the middle, e.g. Nets pay him $6mil per for the next 2 years, which would have him giving up about $3.8mil per year.

If he is bought out, it'll be interesting to see whether we stretch his contract or not. Even more interesting is if he becomes more tradable with an agreed upon buyout, especially at a favorable number. $12mil over 2 is easier to swallow for a team than $19.7 over 2. Timing will also be interesting. If we hypothetically agree to the $12mil buyout, but that executes after the start of the season (I assume that means after Game 1), then he would count for the full $9.8mil this year, but only $2.2mil next year. That could be huge, as I believe the repeater tax kicks in next season.

this is awesome info. especially the part about the 2.2 million number next year if the buyout happens in season.

Also hadnt considered he becomes more moveable if the other team knows he would take a buyout at a certain number

[DarkXaero]

He is a 4M type player (Javale McGee range) making 10 million. it probably cost Sharpe and 2nds or something to move him. maybe we take but some non guaranteed money. its not like we are trying to dump some enormous albatross making 25M for 3-4 years

McGee is way better than DJ, there's no way DJ is worth $4 mill.

There is literally nothing to support that mcgee is "way" better then DJ... and I love me some javale mcgee

Last year:

McGee 7 pts, 5 rebs, 1.2 blocks on 51% FG 65% FT 54 TS%

-2.1 BPM -2.74 RPM

DJ 7 points, rebounds, 1.1 blocks on 76% FG 50% FT, 73.6 TS%

+0.7 BPM, -1.02 RPM

Neither shot threes. DJ played 6 more minutes a game. There are more advanced stats we could digest, but the majority also favor deandre. its not all stats, some of it is eye test or circumstance. maybe you can use that to say its even or McGee is better. but no way its "way better". The spot where McGee may have had DJ was blocks or rim protection but he has declined a bit as an athlete which has also effected his finishing/ability to get ot the front of the rim without the ball. which is why McGee was horrid for a bigman in efficiency while DJ was league best type efficiency.

McGee plays actual defense, he can actually still move and he has an actual motor unlike DJ. There's not a single team in the NBA that would take DJ over McGee right now, posting BPM is a joke.

[Prokorov]

McGee is way better than DJ, there's no way DJ is worth $4 mill.

There is literally nothing to support that mcgee is "way" better then DJ... and I love me some javale mcgee

Last year:

McGee 7 pts, 5 rebs, 1.2 blocks on 51% FG 65% FT 54 TS%

-2.1 BPM -2.74 RPM

DJ 7 points, rebounds, 1.1 blocks on 76% FG 50% FT, 73.6 TS%

+0.7 BPM, -1.02 RPM

Neither shot threes. DJ played 6 more minutes a game. There are more advanced stats we could digest, but the majority also favor deandre. its not all stats, some of it is eye test or circumstance. maybe you can use that to say its even or McGee is better. but no way its "way better". The spot where McGee may have had DJ was blocks or rim protection but he has declined a bit as an athlete which has also effected his finishing/ability to get ot the front of the rim without the ball. which is why McGee was horrid for a bigman in efficiency while DJ was league best type efficiency.

McGee plays actual defense, he can actually still move and he has an actual motor unlike DJ. There's not a single team in the NBA that would take DJ over McGee right now, posting BPM is a joke.

This is a weak response.

I didn't just throw out BPM alone like some cherry picked stat. "Mcgee can actually still move" isnt super accurate, he is probably less athletic then jordan at this point. He wasnt very good finishing and his rim protection was way down. For a guy who "played actual defense" he was arguably nuetral to negative. and offensively, he was pretty putrid.

The point wasnt how many teams would take mcgee over DJ. the point was McGee is comporable, which he is, and his contract number is fair market value for deandre.