D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:Nick K wrote:Calinks wrote:PErsonally, I think Dlo, Beasley, and McDaniels would be greatly beneficial to Philly right now. Maybe not what they are looking for in a return but all three of those guys would be a big help.
Jaden can play good defense and be an everyman type right now. Probably low stats but he can make an impact. Beasley's shooting would be fantastic for them, knock down three's, willingness to take shots, and he plays with energy. I think a good defensive team like Philly, he could be a positive on defense when he has a lot of competence around him.
Dlo is a lot of what Simmons isn't. Dlo is not a good defender but he can create and get shots at any time. He won't hesitate to take big shots and I just don't know how you would stop Philly if they Dlo+Beasley and their other guys on the floor. Clogging the pain would be a nightmare as the shooting would be way too good from the perimeter. They would be a hard team to stop.
Let me get thhis straight. You want to give up 20 pts a night with Dlo, 15 pts a night with Beasley and 10 pts or more from McD. That's 45 pts and we get back 14. I don't see us as a stronger team. Look at the depth we lose for a guy who can't shoot. Shooting is the most important skill in the game today. How great would Steph and Durant be if they couldn't shoot?
We get back a very good defender and a guy who can drive to the basket. It just doesn't seem fair to me.
At this point nobody is going to change anyones mind. i almost wish it were over so we could talk about something else.
Wouldn't it be great if there was a strong consensus to get the guy? When half the people here argue against that should be telling.
I've always said I'd like the guy without giving up the core of Dlo, McD, Ant or Kat. Philly is in a very bad negotiating position and it's getting worse. They know it and so does Rosas. I trust him to make the right call. I can walk from this deal very easily.
This is the point I was trying to make earlier and agree wholeheartedly.
So let me get this straight, both of you think that if we send DLo back, we're gonna score 20 points less per game? Or if we send Beasley back, we're gonna score 15 points less per game? You don't understand that somebody else is simply gonna get more shots that went to DLo or Beasley and make a lot of them?
Just like when a guy I argued with claimed that Portland is gonna smoke the Nuggets in the 1st round of last playoffs, because Lillard, McCollum and Powell combined averaged like 76 ppg in the regular season, while Campazzo, Rivers who had to start in the playoffs because of injuries averaged like 15 ppg combined in the RS, completely disregarding that they had lesser roles and lesser minutes playing behind Murray, Barton, Dozier etc. And what happened? All the Nuggets guards averaged much more in the Portland series than they averaged in the RS, because they got the increased minutes and different offensive roles in the absence of Murray, Barton and Dozier, and Nuggets took Portland out in 6.
PPG is not something you just subtract or add to your scoring total to evaluate trades, PPG is caused by minutes played per game and role on offense, not simply by individual's basketball skills. Be sure that whoever gets the minutes and/or role increased if we trade depth for Simmons is gonna average more PPG on more shots, we're not losing 35 PPG while adding 14 from Simmons, it's flat out wrong to argue that, please stop.
Here's the exchange between me and that Portland guy, just found it and I'm gonna copy it here to illustrate my point:
BNM wrote:FinnTheHuman wrote:BNM wrote:Jokic and Porter will get theirs. They are both extremely talented offensive players. I look for a huge series from both of them. At least Nurk will make Jokic work for his. On the other end, with Murray, Barton and Dozier all expected to miss part, or all of, the series, DEN will have their hands full with Dame, C.J, and Norm (and Simons off the bench). Campazzo, Morris and Rivers are all good defenders, but between the three of them, they only average a combined 25.0 ppg. Dame, C.J. and Norm combine for 68.9 ppg. That's a huge deficit in the backcourt. Yes, MPJ will outscore Covington and Melo combined, and do so more efficiently, but Dame will also outscore Campazzo, Morris (and likely Rivers, too) combined, and do it more efficiently, as well If they blitz Dame, look for C.J. to have a huge series (as he has done in the past).
I've seen this dumb-ass argument on multiple occasions in this thread. How don't you people realize that what's dropping their averages is that guys like Morris and Campazzo played low-minute bench roles, plus playing alongside many scorers who take more ball for the most of the season? Comparing PPG the way you're comparing it is just stupid AF, these guys will average more PPG with the higher usage rates and minutes that they're gonna have.
Fine, use pts/36 and your trio if hapless scorers goes all the way up to a combined 35.9 pts/36. Lillard, McCollum and Powell average a combined 71.2 pts/36.
The point remains unchanged. DEN will struggle to get scoring from anyone other than Jokic and MPJ. And as a POR fan, I'd love to see Campazzo, Morris and Rivers all average 36 MPG for the series.
And what happened? On 30 min per game, this trio of two starters and one bench player (Campazzo, Rivers, Morris) is averaging 35.6pts. What happens if it's pts/36min then? Around 44pts/36 for that trio. And Por starting trio is averaging 72pts/39min, so what happens if that average drops to 36min? It's around 66pts/36. 44 compared to 66 doesn't look as gigantic as your initial 68.9 to 25.0 ppg, huh?
And what if we actually compare the starting PG/SG/SF's instead of 2 starters and 1 bench player vs 3 starters? Take Gordon or MPJ as the starting SF, doesn't matter. You plug in any decent player in a lineup with Jokic and give him higher usage rate in the absence of Murray, and that guy is gonna up his offensive output, it's pretty simple. So please, forget about ever using this awful brand of ppg or pts/36-based analysis without putting things into context
Why throw away our great contracts and high potential rookies for another teams trash? 
