Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[DCasey91]

6”10” (208-10 cm I reckon)
250 (Easy 115 kgs on him, he’s basically Tatum Size, Tatum is jacked but Banch has old man grown strength)

Cade lied about being 6”8”.

Banchero is Cade’s older more talented brother while being younger lol.

Peeps check him out if you haven’t he’s what Ben should be right now.

HUGE BOY

[mzfk69]

6”10” (208-10 cm I reckon)
250 (Easy 115 kgs on him, he’s basically Tatum Size, Tatum is jacked but Banch has old man grown strength)

Cade lied about being 6”8”.

Banchero is Cade’s older more talented brother while being younger lol.

Peeps check him out if you haven’t he’s what Ben should be right now.

HUGE BOY

Morey won't spend a whole year of Embiid's prime for a rookie who will take about 4-5 years to reach the top level.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Make the damn deal and let's move on. That's how I feel about it at this point. We have handled this terribly at this point. Sexton, CJ, Beasley, IDGAF at this point. Make the trade and let's ride or die with Embiid.

[Wilfried]

Maybe the best thing, at this stage is to trade him indeed for young players (try to go after Anthony Edwards) and maybe a pick.

Than play Maxey, Edwards, Thybulle, Reed and Springer a lot this season, let Joel sit out a lot of games (rest his meniscus or whatelse you want to call it) and ... TANK for next years draft.

Get a good pick, and try to use that pick and one/two of our young guys (Maxey/Springer) that were highlighted (together with Tobias?) to really get a star in next year's summer. I'm pretty sure Dame will want to get out of Portland finally than. Not to say we will have some cap flexibility if we could move Tobias.

Who knows we could have a line-up of
Dame
Edwards
Thybulle
XXX
Embiid

Do you really think that Embiid after what he did last season, will agree to just punt a season? He is in his prime.

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[DCasey91]

6”10” (208-10 cm I reckon)
250 (Easy 115 kgs on him, he’s basically Tatum Size, Tatum is jacked but Banch has old man grown strength)

Cade lied about being 6”8”.

Banchero is Cade’s older more talented brother while being younger lol.

Peeps check him out if you haven’t he’s what Ben should be right now.

HUGE BOY

Morey won't spend a whole year of Embiid's prime for a rookie who will take about 4-5 years to reach the top level.

Fine Pistons Griffin year one

We get Sexton, another year of Maxey and Banch and the next crop of guys in the next draft (Pray for Victor).

I mean if we somehow get 2x unprotected firsts from the Cavs beam me to the moon and back.

[DCasey91]

Also:
Rubio
Sexton
Green
Harris
Embiid

Curry (6th)
Maxey/Milton
Thybulle
Niang
Drummond

That is still a very good team. That can actually go 9-10 deep, something we’ve probably never had lol.

[mzfk69]

6”10” (208-10 cm I reckon)
250 (Easy 115 kgs on him, he’s basically Tatum Size, Tatum is jacked but Banch has old man grown strength)

Cade lied about being 6”8”.

Banchero is Cade’s older more talented brother while being younger lol.

Peeps check him out if you haven’t he’s what Ben should be right now.

HUGE BOY

Morey won't spend a whole year of Embiid's prime for a rookie who will take about 4-5 years to reach the top level.

Fine Pistons Griffin year one

We get Sexton, another year of Maxey and Banch and the next crop of guys in the next draft (Pray for Victor).

I mean if we somehow get 2x unprotected firsts from the Cavs beam me to the moon and back.

I think general managers still remember Billy King's case, and no one would give unprotected picks.
But I agree that Banchero looks intriguing.

[Murray_17]

Simmons camp was mute until Embiid came out and said Ben wasn't answering his phone calls.

Umm, when did Jo say that?

Read on Twitter

This is when the Ben smear campaign re-ignited and continued up until Embiid had to come out publicly and gaslight the entire situation.

This is the same Jason Dumas that made the Maxey report, allow me to doubt this ****.

[RedSalsa]

Just do the CJ deal even up he would thrive with Joel like Seth did. CJ is waaaay better than Seth too.

[BNelley24]

Make the damn deal and let's move on. That's how I feel about it at this point. We have handled this terribly at this point. Sexton, CJ, Beasley, IDGAF at this point. Make the trade and let's ride or die with Embiid.

Emotionally I feel the same way, but I think the smart move is to make him sit until near the deadline. How many teams will then be interested in Ben? Kings could be out of contention, or maybe Davion is legit and they decide to deal Haliburton/Fox. Etc etc etc

I don’t care if it looks ugly, and hurts relationship with Rich Paul. The smart move is holding out as long as possible until the right value is there. This is a franchise altering trade. If you give in emotionally it could hurt us for years.

[kuclas]

Just do the CJ deal even up he would thrive with Joel like Seth did. CJ is waaaay better than Seth too.

Dude. CJ is being paid 30 million for next three seasons. He plays on Portland team notorious for not playing defense.

We have seen how many points Ben can score when he actually is aggressive.

CJ will be hunted down in the playoffs. That’s where all the problems start. The playoffs.

The only CJ deal I would take is CJ plus norm powell (50 million in salary) for Simmons/Shake or whoever needs to get close to salary matching

[BNelley24]

Umm, when did Jo say that?

Read on Twitter

This is when the Ben smear campaign re-ignited and continued up until Embiid had to come out publicly and gaslight the entire situation.

This is the same Jason Dumas that made the Maxey report, allow me to doubt this ****.

There is smoke there. Dumas didn’t just make something up. Like spike eskin said, my guess is that Dumas got info that was relayed which wasn’t supposed to come out the way it did. No agent wants that information released like that, so to keep sources happy he had to walk it back. My guess is Paul is using the fact that he is Maxey’s agent as leverage to trade Ben. Almost like a threat.

[kuclas]

Make the damn deal and let's move on. That's how I feel about it at this point. We have handled this terribly at this point. Sexton, CJ, Beasley, IDGAF at this point. Make the trade and let's ride or die with Embiid.

Emotionally I feel the same way, but I think the smart move is to make him sit until near the deadline. How many teams will then be interested in Ben? Kings could be out of contention, or maybe Davion is legit and they decide to deal Haliburton/Fox. Etc etc etc

I don’t care if it looks ugly, and hurts relationship with Rich Paul. The smart move is holding out as long as possible until the right value is there. This is a franchise altering trade. If you give in emotionally it could hurt us for years.

There is no rush. Simmons is under contract for 4 seasons. A rush is AD deal or PG (Indiana to okc deal) where there is one year left

A rush is Cleveland trading Kyrie to Boston for an injured IT and unprotective pick. Kyrie had 2 years left. And was threatening to have surgery and be out most of the year.

Simmons can threaten to sit out a year with a back injury. Guess what. He would still have 3 years left. He’s not going anywhere soon.

[Murray_17]

There is smoke there. Dumas didn’t just make something up. Like spike eskin said, my guess is that Dumas got info that was relayed which wasn’t supposed to come out the way it did. No agent wants that information released like that, so to keep sources happy he had to walk it back. My guess is Paul is using the fact that he is Maxey’s agent as leverage to trade Ben. Almost like a threat.

I get this, my point was that if Dumas's source is Paul/Klutch then more reasons to doubt any report from him being critical of Joel or portraying Ben as a guy ultra resolved in no playing.

[HotelVitale]

Just do the CJ deal even up he would thrive with Joel like Seth did. CJ is waaaay better than Seth too.

Dude. CJ is being paid 30 million for next three seasons. He plays on Portland team notorious for not playing defense.

We have seen how many points Ben can score when he actually is aggressive.

CJ will be hunted down in the playoffs. That’s where all the problems start. The playoffs.

The only CJ deal I would take is CJ plus norm powell (50 million in salary) for Simmons/Shake or whoever needs to get close to salary matching

Kuclas, strange that you’re still talking like we have some kind of leverage and can be the one pointing out flaws here. CJ not being on a good defensive team isnt the type of thing a team with a guy who first disappeared on his team and then refused to report to camp can harp on. It hits harder for them to point out those flaws in Ben as an asset than vice versa.

I also don’t think you all should assume CJ is on the table. The blazers don’t want to trade Lillard’s companion in arms who just had his best season for a guy who again no showed in the PO and again failed to take any accountability for it. The team needs to impress Dame with how serious about a championship and how together they are, trading for Simmons and his flaws honestly seems like it’s likely to be punching the ticket for his exit.

[Black Mage]

Read on Twitter

This is when the Ben smear campaign re-ignited and continued up until Embiid had to come out publicly and gaslight the entire situation.

This is the same Jason Dumas that made the Maxey report, allow me to doubt this ****.

There is smoke there. Dumas didn’t just make something up. Like spike eskin said, my guess is that Dumas got info that was relayed which wasn’t supposed to come out the way it did. No agent who is currently embroiled in a lawsuit alleging he didn't have his client's best interests in mind while ignoring contract offers that cost said player $50million wants that information released like that, so to keep sources happy he had to walk it back. My guess is Paul is using the fact that he is Maxey’s agent as leverage to trade Ben. Almost like a threat.

I fixed it for you.

[Wilfried]

Make the damn deal and let's move on. That's how I feel about it at this point. We have handled this terribly at this point. Sexton, CJ, Beasley, IDGAF at this point. Make the trade and let's ride or die with Embiid.

Emotionally I feel the same way, but I think the smart move is to make him sit until near the deadline. How many teams will then be interested in Ben? Kings could be out of contention, or maybe Davion is legit and they decide to deal Haliburton/Fox. Etc etc etc

I don’t care if it looks ugly, and hurts relationship with Rich Paul. The smart move is holding out as long as possible until the right value is there. This is a franchise altering trade. If you give in emotionally it could hurt us for years.

There is no rush. Simmons is under contract for 4 seasons. A rush is AD deal or PG (Indiana to okc deal) where there is one year left

A rush is Cleveland trading Kyrie to Boston for an injured IT and unprotective pick. Kyrie had 2 years left. And was threatening to have surgery and be out most of the year.

Simmons can threaten to sit out a year with a back injury. Guess what. He would still have 3 years left. He’s not going anywhere soon.

His skillset is still very valuable to us too, so indeed 100% correct, no need to trade him unless it's for a superstar (Dame, Beal).
Otherwise, try to trade Harris and get a scoring guard back who can help offset Simmons deficiencies as a playmaker.

Why not go for Love + Sexton <-> Harris + pick?

[Murray_17]

Why not go for Love + Sexton <-> Harris + pick?

Becuse why in the hell would the cavs do this?

[Black Mage]

Just do the CJ deal even up he would thrive with Joel like Seth did. CJ is waaaay better than Seth too.

Dude. CJ is being paid 30 million for next three seasons. He plays on Portland team notorious for not playing defense.

We have seen how many points Ben can score when he actually is aggressive.

CJ will be hunted down in the playoffs. That’s where all the problems start. The playoffs.

The only CJ deal I would take is CJ plus norm powell (50 million in salary) for Simmons/Shake or whoever needs to get close to salary matching

Kuclas, strange that you’re still talking like we have some kind of leverage and can be the one pointing out flaws here. CJ not being on a good defensive team isnt the type of thing a team with a guy who first disappeared on his team and then refused to report to camp can harp on. It hits harder for them to point out those flaws in Ben as an asset than vice versa.

I also don’t think you all should assume CJ is on the table. The blazers don’t want to trade Lillard’s companion in arms who just had his best season for a guy who again no showed in the PO and again failed to take any accountability for it. The team needs to impress Dame with how serious about a championship and how together they are, trading for Simmons and his flaws honestly seems like it’s likely to be punching the ticket for his exit.

Sorry, but we do have leverage. Josh Harris is a billionaire, he could easily eat Simmon's entire contract and just sit his butt for the next 4 years. Sixers already weren't attracting brand name free agents and our cap situation going forward means we're always going to be looking for vet min or MLE level guys who don't have as many options.

Also, I'm not worried about the other agents holding this against the Sixers, pretty sure many competing agents would love to see Rich Paul's power blow up in his face between the Nerlen's suit and then one of his bigger clients seeing their careers wasted away b/c Paul tried to heavy hand a team that was in the drivers seat thanks to a 4 year contract.

As a fan, I'm so fed up with Ben that I'd support the team ruining his career to spite him after he middle fingered all of us by refusing to admit and fix his freaking head and shooting. Let him ROT.

[HotelVitale]

Dude. CJ is being paid 30 million for next three seasons. He plays on Portland team notorious for not playing defense.

We have seen how many points Ben can score when he actually is aggressive.

CJ will be hunted down in the playoffs. That’s where all the problems start. The playoffs.

The only CJ deal I would take is CJ plus norm powell (50 million in salary) for Simmons/Shake or whoever needs to get close to salary matching

Kuclas, strange that you’re still talking like we have some kind of leverage and can be the one pointing out flaws here. CJ not being on a good defensive team isnt the type of thing a team with a guy who first disappeared on his team and then refused to report to camp can harp on. It hits harder for them to point out those flaws in Ben as an asset than vice versa.

I also don’t think you all should assume CJ is on the table. The blazers don’t want to trade Lillard’s companion in arms who just had his best season for a guy who again no showed in the PO and again failed to take any accountability for it. The team needs to impress Dame with how serious about a championship and how together they are, trading for Simmons and his flaws honestly seems like it’s likely to be punching the ticket for his exit.

Sorry, but we do have leverage. Josh Harris is a billionaire, he could easily eat Simmon's entire contract and just sit his butt for the next 4 years. Sixers already weren't attracting brand name free agents and our cap situation going forward means we're always going to be looking for vet min or MLE level guys who don't have as many options.

Also, I'm not worried about the other agents holding this against the Sixers, pretty sure many competing agents would love to see Rich Paul's power blow up in his face between the Nerlen's suit and then one of his bigger clients seeing their careers wasted away b/c Paul tried to heavy hand a team that was in the drivers seat thanks to a 4 year contract.

As a fan, I'm so fed up with Ben that I'd support the team ruining his career to spite him after he middle fingered all of us by refusing to admit and fix his freaking head and shooting. Let him ROT.

Sure but what you’re talking about doesn’t follow from what I said at all. We can wait Simmons out, and I’m in favor of that if the offers are terrible, but that still doesn’t improve our trade discussions.

Think you might be confusing leverage with Ben and leverage with teams. Taking a hard line on Ben is definitely possible and we could possibly ‘win’ that argument, but we’re still getting nothing on the court during that whole time, won’t have a decent PG and will be a far worse team, while Simmons is only going to seem more like an a-hole prima donna whose mental blocks aren’t going anywhere. Like I said I think it might be the best play but that’s more about other teams getting desperate and not about anything about our situation improving.