Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[SO_MONEY]

One thing it made me think about:

If you consider Simmons a top 25 player, you do recognize he isn’t a top 25 value. How many franchises would trade their best player for him? Heck, even MIN automatically took our top two off the table.

I mean, he’s not a top 25 player imo, but he’s top 40, which is still really good. But then even if he were top 25, he wants out so automatically nobody wants to give equal value back.

I don't know if he is top 50. Though I suspect top 40-50-60-70 would have overlap depending on the person doing it

[KGdaBom]

Half of me wants to play with what we got and gauge our player off-season improvements and see what we have for chemistry. The other half wants to fill a critical need by adding a strong 1st team defender.

leaves me witrh 2 questions:
1. How reliable is Nowell with 20-30 minutes? vs. Beasley, DLo
2. Does this adequately alleviate our PFand/or defensive needs.

1: OK at best
2l More than adequately.

[Domejandro]

Trading for a guy making $33-40M with shooting ineptness and can cost you possessions with his putrid FT shooting, why not empty an 11th and 12th man, to hack a Ben in the 4th qtr?

I mean that’s 12 possessions that probably net you 8-14 points.

1. That strategy requires placing your team over the foul-limit, which is incredibly detrimental.
2. Ben Simmons had two games below 50% from the free-throw line during the Atlanta series, that strategy is MASSIVELY overstated.
3. The break point for whether or not it is an effective strategy is lower than most people are assuming (if he shoots slightly below his career average, it is still not viable).
4. If you are behind, it has the benefit of extending the number of possessions a game has, but again, immediately pushing yourself over the foul limit is bad strategy.

At some point I might write a long post explaining why the Hack-a-Simmons really is not viable in the vast majority of circumstances. There is a reason why teams rarely use the strategy, it is not a trade-deciding concern.

[jpatrick]

Hopefully this ends soon. No one is changing anyone’s minds.

This reminds me of last draft when half the board thought Wiseman was clearly the #1 guy and LaMelo was trash. A quarter of the board loved Melo and thought it was lunacy to take a center like Wiseman #1. Edwards was almost like the compromise pick. Didn’t really upset anyone. With that at least, we had the draft date when we knew it was going to end. This could go on for a very long time....

[Domejandro]

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There's no shot this extends past the end of pre-season.

[KGdaBom]

Trading for a guy making $33-40M with shooting ineptness and can cost you possessions with his putrid FT shooting, why not empty an 11th and 12th man, to hack a Ben in the 4th qtr?

I mean that’s 12 possessions that probably net you 8-14 points.

1. That strategy requires placing your team over the foul-limit, which is incredibly detrimental.
2. Ben Simmons had two games below 50% from the free-throw line during the Atlanta series, that strategy is MASSIVELY overstated.
3. The break point for whether or not it is an effective strategy is lower than most people are assuming (if he shoots slightly below his career average, it is still not viable).
4. If you are behind, it has the benefit of extending the number of possessions a game has, but again, immediately pushing yourself over the foul limit is bad strategy.

At some point I might write a long post explaining why the Hack-a-Simmons really is not viable in the vast majority of circumstances. There is a reason why teams rarely use the strategy, it is not a trade-deciding concern.

Hack-a-fill in the blank almost never works reliably. Teams try it situationally and on a few occasions have been successful.

[jpatrick]

One thing it made me think about:

If you consider Simmons a top 25 player, you do recognize he isn’t a top 25 value. How many franchises would trade their best player for him? Heck, even MIN automatically took our top two off the table.

I mean, he’s not a top 25 player imo, but he’s top 40, which is still really good. But then even if he were top 25, he wants out so automatically nobody wants to give equal value back.

I don't know if he is top 50. Though I suspect top 40-50-60-70 would have overlap depending on the person doing it

That Embiid guy should have won the MVP. He willed the 76ers to the best record in the East (playing only 51 games mind you) without another top 50 player. Damn impressive. Especially when Seth Curry, 34 year old Danny Green, and Tobias Harris were their other starters. Harris is the only other even league average starter on that team (and 76er fans hate the dude).

If you’re saying Simmons hasn’t been a top 50 type guy in the playoffs, I’ll at least listen to that argument.

[Merc_Porto]

I really can't believe it, seriously, my eyes can't believe I just read someone asking where we would found the 20 pts from DLO, the 16 from Beasley, and the 10 for McDaniels...

What kind of logic is that?

Is like the Lakers saying to the Pelicans back in 2019...
Sorry guys we don't want to trade for Anthony Davis anymore because we don't know where to get the...

11 points difference between Josh Hart, Ingram, and Lonzo Ball
8 assists difference

Etc etc etc etc etc

[jpatrick]

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Philly local news. Why wouldn’t Ben want to go back?

[Dewey]

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There's no shot this extends past the end of pre-season.

Unblieveable ... classless, yet kinda funny too...

Agree!! they need to end this and move forward.

[gandlogo]

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Outstandingly funny. "He hit his head on the way out."

[SO_MONEY]

I mean, he’s not a top 25 player imo, but he’s top 40, which is still really good. But then even if he were top 25, he wants out so automatically nobody wants to give equal value back.

I don't know if he is top 50. Though I suspect top 40-50-60-70 would have overlap depending on the person doing it

That Embiid guy should have won the MVP. He willed the 76ers to the best record in the East (playing only 51 games mind you) without another top 50 player. Damn impressive. Especially when Seth Curry, 34 year old Danny Green, and Tobias Harris were their other starters. Harris is the only other even league average starter on that team (and 76er fans hate the dude).

If you’re saying Simmons hasn’t been a top 50 type guy in the playoffs, I’ll at least listen to that argument.

I would say Harris is in that top 50 range.

[Calinks]

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That's hilarious but damn that is totally cold. Just a ruthless culture over there. Ben Simons is going to torch the Sixers for a long time when he plays against them.

[Merc_Porto]

I don't know if he is top 50. Though I suspect top 40-50-60-70 would have overlap depending on the person doing it

That Embiid guy should have won the MVP. He willed the 76ers to the best record in the East (playing only 51 games mind you) without another top 50 player. Damn impressive. Especially when Seth Curry, 34 year old Danny Green, and Tobias Harris were their other starters. Harris is the only other even league average starter on that team (and 76er fans hate the dude).

If you’re saying Simmons hasn’t been a top 50 type guy in the playoffs, I’ll at least listen to that argument.

I would say Harris is in that top 50 range.

Top 50 of what? Power forwards?

[fattymcgee]

Trading for a guy making $33-40M with shooting ineptness and can cost you possessions with his putrid FT shooting, why not empty an 11th and 12th man, to hack a Ben in the 4th qtr?

I mean that’s 12 possessions that probably net you 8-14 points.

1. That strategy requires placing your team over the foul-limit, which is incredibly detrimental.
2. Ben Simmons had two games below 50% from the free-throw line during the Atlanta series, that strategy is MASSIVELY overstated.
3. The break point for whether or not it is an effective strategy is lower than most people are assuming (if he shoots slightly below his career average, it is still not viable).
4. If you are behind, it has the benefit of extending the number of possessions a game has, but again, immediately pushing yourself over the foul limit is bad strategy.

At some point I might write a long post explaining why the Hack-a-Simmons really is not viable in the vast majority of circumstances. There is a reason why teams rarely use the strategy, it is not a trade-deciding concern.

I don't disagree with your overall premise, but if you are going to quote stats at least get them close.
2. Saying he had only two games below 50% in FT is way off and implying the other games were good. He had FOUR games under 50% and the other THREE games were exactly 50%. So, you could reword #2 to say that he had ZERO of seven games over 50%.
Also, in the Wizards series he only had one game with FT at or above 50%.

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[KGdaBom]

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Just practice, but putting on a clinic. I knew he was big and athletic, but he's bigger and more athletic than I was thinking.

[Nick K]

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There's no shot this extends past the end of pre-season.

Good stuff1

[Klomp]

Just practice, but putting on a clinic. I knew he was big and athletic, but he's bigger and more athletic than I was thinking.

It's easy to forget that he's not really much smaller than KAT.

[KGdaBom]

Just practice, but putting on a clinic. I knew he was big and athletic, but he's bigger and more athletic than I was thinking.

It's easy to forget that he's not really much smaller than KAT.

You can never trust nba heights, but a quick google search showed both KAT and Simmons at 6'11". KAT at 248 Ben at 240. I've heard a lot of 6'10" for Ben so let's say 1 inch shorter and 8 pounds lighter.