Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[Kobblehead]

The Sixers likely view Harris the way we fans should. Which is that he's an overpaid, but perfectly serviceable upper-midcard player that has more value to us than he would to other teams so there's logic is just riding out the contract.

[Black Mage]

Money works according to tradenba/fanspo. Otherwise we could get really close to that mark with Larry Nance included

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yeejfpha

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg7fn3d5

Simmons and Tobias for Roco and CJ is a god awful stupid deal.

Roco couldn't even stay on the court against the Celtics and got replaced by freaking TJ McConnell, but somehow now that he's older and slower he's suddenly a better option?

You people need a reality check on Roco:

1. He can't dribble worth a damn.
2. Until last year, his 3 pt % was below 35% and in 2020 it was 31%
3. In 2021 he only attempted 5 3's a game despite playing 30+ mins a game
4. He shot 40% from the floor.
4. His advanced metrics and defensive metrics have declined over the past 3 years.

Congrats you're proposing a trade where the Sixers get two substantial downgrades. Thank god you aren't in the front office.

[Zumramania]

The Sixers likely view Harris the way we fans should. Which is that he's an overpaid, but perfectly serviceable upper-midcard player that has more value to us than he would to other teams so there's logic is just riding out the contract.

Is he though? I mean, in the regular season he is maybe even a bit more than that, he will get you buckets, but once he gets into the second round of playoffs he becomes much less useful. He doesn't shoot threes and doesn't get to the line, his game is a no-no for the playoffs. Or can he become more useful somehow?

[RedSalsa]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yeejfpha

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg7fn3d5

Simmons and Tobias for Roco and CJ is a god awful stupid deal.

Roco couldn't even stay on the court against the Celtics and got replaced by freaking TJ McConnell, but somehow now that he's older and slower he's suddenly a better option?

You people need a reality check on Roco:

1. He can't dribble worth a damn.
2. Until last year, his 3 pt % was below 35% and in 2020 it was 31%
3. In 2021 he only attempted 5 3's a game despite playing 30+ mins a game
4. He shot 40% from the floor.
4. His advanced metrics and defensive metrics have declined over the past 3 years.

Congrats you're proposing a trade where the Sixers get two substantial downgrades. Thank god you aren't in the front office.

Spot on RoCo stinks

[Sportfan73]

We are in no possible humanly way trading Tobias Harris WITH Ben Simmons. It's simply not going to happen and suggesting that it could or will is the equivalent of a 15 year old making trades on NBA 2K. It's just not a possibility and I wish those scenarios would quit popping up. NOT that I wouldn't be opposed to trading Harris or that we couldn't, but combining the two together in a trade has less likelihood then a blizzard in Phoenix Arizona in July.

This x1000000000000000000000

[Sportfan73]

The Sixers likely view Harris the way we fans should. Which is that he's an overpaid, but perfectly serviceable upper-midcard player that has more value to us than he would to other teams so there's logic is just riding out the contract.

Not to mention we haven’t had the best luck with max FA’s signing here so..

[Sportfan73]

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Go get Maxey a running mate that pushes Curry to the bench and let’s go

[sixers hoops]

The Sixers likely view Harris the way we fans should. Which is that he's an overpaid, but perfectly serviceable upper-midcard player that has more value to us than he would to other teams so there's logic is just riding out the contract.

That is exactly what he is, and if he is next to Durant/Harden, Lebron/AD, Kawhi/George, etc, you can accept that. However, Ben becoming an offensive liability and Embiid being a post big who can’t create off the dribble, all of a sudden the pressure on the $35 million Harris mounted. He isn’t going to be a legit second star because Ben fell apart. For arguments same, if we had Lillard instead of Ben, Tobias’ flaws are a little more palatable.

Until we get a second star who can create and take over end of games, Tobias will stay under the microscope.

[Sportfan73]

The Sixers likely view Harris the way we fans should. Which is that he's an overpaid, but perfectly serviceable upper-midcard player that has more value to us than he would to other teams so there's logic is just riding out the contract.

That is exactly what he is, and if he is next to Durant/Harden, Lebron/AD, Kawhi/George, etc, you can accept that. However, Ben becoming an offensive liability and Embiid being a post big who can’t create off the dribble, all of a sudden the pressure on the $35 million Harris mounted. He isn’t going to be a legit second star because Ben fell apart. For arguments same, if we had Lillard instead of Ben, Tobias’ flaws are a little more palatable.

Until we get a second star who can create and take over end of games, Tobias will stay under the microscope.

And this is why I wouldn’t necessarily hate a Ben for CJ+++ deal. He fills that role offensively and helps a ton with spacing

[Negrodamus]

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Go get Maxey a running mate that pushes Curry to the bench and let’s go

Haliburton and Ball were the guys. C&S 3 point shooters, elite passers with switchability defense.

[sixers hoops]

The Sixers likely view Harris the way we fans should. Which is that he's an overpaid, but perfectly serviceable upper-midcard player that has more value to us than he would to other teams so there's logic is just riding out the contract.

That is exactly what he is, and if he is next to Durant/Harden, Lebron/AD, Kawhi/George, etc, you can accept that. However, Ben becoming an offensive liability and Embiid being a post big who can’t create off the dribble, all of a sudden the pressure on the $35 million Harris mounted. He isn’t going to be a legit second star because Ben fell apart. For arguments same, if we had Lillard instead of Ben, Tobias’ flaws are a little more palatable.

Until we get a second star who can create and take over end of games, Tobias will stay under the microscope.

And this is why I wouldn’t necessarily hate a Ben for CJ+++ deal. He fills that role offensively and helps a ton with spacing

Yeah. I just get the point that we would likely be 3rd best team in conference and CJ and Tobias will be moving passed their primes, so little upside and we might not be good enough anyway. If a younger prospect were available, he may not be the player CJ is, but could be better two years down the road.

[stormi]

That is exactly what he is, and if he is next to Durant/Harden, Lebron/AD, Kawhi/George, etc, you can accept that. However, Ben becoming an offensive liability and Embiid being a post big who can’t create off the dribble, all of a sudden the pressure on the $35 million Harris mounted. He isn’t going to be a legit second star because Ben fell apart. For arguments same, if we had Lillard instead of Ben, Tobias’ flaws are a little more palatable.

Until we get a second star who can create and take over end of games, Tobias will stay under the microscope.

Why are we building superteams under the premise of sheltering a 35 Million dollar statistical playoff liability / boat anchor.

[sixers hoops]

That is exactly what he is, and if he is next to Durant/Harden, Lebron/AD, Kawhi/George, etc, you can accept that. However, Ben becoming an offensive liability and Embiid being a post big who can’t create off the dribble, all of a sudden the pressure on the $35 million Harris mounted. He isn’t going to be a legit second star because Ben fell apart. For arguments same, if we had Lillard instead of Ben, Tobias’ flaws are a little more palatable.

Until we get a second star who can create and take over end of games, Tobias will stay under the microscope.

Why are we building superteams under the premise of sheltering a 35 Million dollar statistical playoff liability / boat anchor.

Elton already paid him and the expectations were lower for Tobias from the jump because we all knew what he was and he was being overpaid, Elton put us in a position to operate under this premise.

[stormi]

That is exactly what he is, and if he is next to Durant/Harden, Lebron/AD, Kawhi/George, etc, you can accept that. However, Ben becoming an offensive liability and Embiid being a post big who can’t create off the dribble, all of a sudden the pressure on the $35 million Harris mounted. He isn’t going to be a legit second star because Ben fell apart. For arguments same, if we had Lillard instead of Ben, Tobias’ flaws are a little more palatable.

Until we get a second star who can create and take over end of games, Tobias will stay under the microscope.

Why are we building superteams under the premise of sheltering a 35 Million dollar statistical playoff liability / boat anchor.

Elton already paid him and the expectations were lower for Tobias from the jump because we all knew what he was and he was being overpaid, Elton put us in a position to operate under this premise.

What is he? I'm curious on your stance. What role does he play on a championship team, and how do you like the fit alongside Joel Embiid.

[sodmoraes]

If MAxey can shoot 3s next year with good volume at a good clip rate ( > 35%) i see no reason why he cant average 15 ppg and 5 apg in 30 mpg. It would be Huge for us, have a guard with his iso creation and good shooting percentage. I think Maxey "final form" is better than Sexton, whom people are so eager to get here. I know Maxey still needs to get to that level, but i think he will have a great sophomore year. Even with Ben´s drama, our next year wont be so bleak, because of Tyrese.

[Kobblehead]

A guy who just averaged nearly 22 points, 9 board, and 4 assists in 12 playoff games. Focusing on Tobias Harris as a problem is a weird take.

[stormi]

A guy who just averaged nearly 22 points, 9 board, and 4 assists in 12 playoff games. Focusing on Tobias Harris as a problem is a weird take.

Are all points created equally? Is there an opportunity cost to take into account for the input it takes Tobias to produce his output? (points per possession)

And how valid are box-score oriented metrics that portray that Harris as a negative influence?

Like, not even net neutral, or a very very faint positive, but like parasite on winning basketball games.

Should we even care?

[Kobblehead]

Tobias Harris was one of three players on this roster that scored unassisted buckets last year (the other two being Maxey and Milton).

He's made marked improvement on noted weaknesses of his (shotcreating, ball movement, helpside defense).

What's the problem, here? He's overpaid, but perfectly serviceable. And again, our 2nd best player in the playoffs last year.

[stormi]

Tobias Harris was one of three players on this roster that scored unassisted buckets last year (the other two being Maxey and Milton).

He's made marked improvement on noted weaknesses of his (shotcreating, ball movement, helpside defense).

What's the problem, here? He's overpaid, but perfectly serviceable. And again, our 2nd best player in the playoffs last year.

Statisically far from the truth and he was the least impactful player from that starting five.

[Kobblehead]

Tobias Harris was one of three players on this roster that scored unassisted buckets last year (the other two being Maxey and Milton).

He's made marked improvement on noted weaknesses of his (shotcreating, ball movement, helpside defense).

What's the problem, here? He's overpaid, but perfectly serviceable. And again, our 2nd best player in the playoffs last year.

Statisically far from the truth and he was the least impactful player from that starting five.

What trash stats indicate that? You have permission to ignore those, going forward.

Anyone with eyes could see Tobias Harris was the only player in our starting lineup you give the ball to ask him to make a play.

Seth Curry can get hot shooting, but cannot put the ball on the floor outside of an aggressive closeout from a defender giving him space. Danny Green can't dribble. Ben Simmons is one of the most pathetic offensive players in playoff history last postseason. Joel Embiid is a big.