Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons

[ash_k]

If we are lucky enough to get Ben for FVV+Boucher+Cap fillers+Picks

Just don't forget what your Raptors very own Eric Smith& the voice Matt Devlin said when asked about a Ben trade.

Eric Smith:
~1000%. Every team in the league should have interest in him... Too many people are caught up by the shooting(offense).
He is a DPOY candidate, multiple All-Star appearances, All-Defensive team that alone is enough for me. Sixers should not trade him. Every manager in the league should try to make a deal for him.

Matt Devlin:
~I agree.... He is a force to be reckoned with... He is a future HOF...he is a dominant force. He has the potential to be the best player in the game. Not too many 6’10 PG can do what he does. I would take him in a heartbeat

said about a month post-Hawks series. Just don't forget

I've never liked Eric and this quote is yet another reason why.


He condescendingly states that us dummies care too much about "offense" (I.e. actual performance) and should care more about all-star appearances (I.e. hype).

Who do you think is the greater player: Giannis or Stephen Curry?

[HangTime]

If we are lucky enough to get Ben for FVV+Boucher+Cap fillers+Picks

Just don't forget what your Raptors very own Eric Smith& the voice Matt Devlin said when asked about a Ben trade.





said about a month post-Hawks series. Just don't forget

I've never liked Eric and this quote is yet another reason why.


He condescendingly states that us dummies care too much about "offense" (I.e. actual performance) and should care more about all-star appearances (I.e. hype).

Who do you think is the greater player Giannis or Stephen Curry?

It sounds like Eric and Matt wants the Sixers to get a great return for Simmons.

Or, they they want them to keep him, and cause more internal issues.

I can't Can't tell

[ATLTimekeeper]

Saw on The Athletic that Rich Paul may want Maxey included in any Simmons deal.

Doesn't really have to be too complicated:

Pascal + Flynn = Simmons + Maxey

Not saying I would do that deal. I probably wouldn't. But Embiid and Pascal are both from Cameroon, all the contracts work and if you are team committed to 6'8+ position-less basketball, Simmons would seem to be the crown jewel of that type of system. Also, if you think Boucher can be a starting PF, you slide OG to SF and away you go.

But again, I don't think I do this deal. I like Pascal way too much.

So 4 Klutch clients on long-term Raptor contracts? Sounds very complicated. Plus, if you're committed to > 6"8 basketball Maxey is just a waste of time.

[refshateRaps]

Saw on The Athletic that Rich Paul may want Maxey included in any Simmons deal.

Doesn't really have to be too complicated:

Pascal + Flynn = Simmons + Maxey

Not saying I would do that deal. I probably wouldn't. But Embiid and Pascal are both from Cameroon, all the contracts work and if you are team committed to 6'8+ position-less basketball, Simmons would seem to be the crown jewel of that type of system. Also, if you think Boucher can be a starting PF, you slide OG to SF and away you go.

But again, I don't think I do this deal. I like Pascal way too much.

I'd only do a deal including Fred + filler + picks for Simmons

Philly needs someone who can hit open shots & dump the ball from inside to Embiid to set-up the Offense. FVV instantly brings much needed experience & stability.

Raptors are in transition and going into defensive mode with length irst & likely have the organization that might help grow Simmons out of his issues.

As much as some still overrate Simmons value, it is clearly not working in Philly. Makes perfect sense for both teams.

[NotMyKawhi]

we aren't getting a player w superstar potential locked in that long ever

Get him

[HumbleRen]

we aren't getting a player w superstar potential locked in that long ever

Get him

[aligator]

Stay away from Simmons. Stay far away.

[CANsportsguru]

Pascal is better than Simmons. There's no way that's our offer.

Siakam is the better, proven playoff player, no doubt.

But a trade like this happens for other reasons. Like both Simmons and Siakam requesting trades. Or what the plan is for the team long term.

A trade for Simmons isn't for what he gives you now, but what you think he can be 3 years from now in his prime, next to a similar aged core. If the FO sees the upside as similar or higher than keeping Siakam, trading for that window would make sense.

If the trade could be done without moving our high value assets: Siakam, OG and future unprotected draft assets (i.e. FVV as the base), Ben Simmons would already be on this team right now.

Ok. I'll put it this way. We can get a better package for Pascal than just Ben "I can't shoot" Simmons. There's no way we trade Pascal straight up for him, and there's no way FVV and scraps gets us Simmons either. It would be FVV & OG which is an overpay given that OG is a future DPOTY candidate on his own, and FVV is one of the better guard defenders in the league not to mention is vastly superior on offense than Simmons. A lot of people are also overlooking that Embiid makes Simmons look alot better than he actually is. I see people mentioning GTJ which can't be traded until January? There's just no way this deal happens for us.

[HangTime]

If he sits out, and accumulates fines, do those amounts create cap room?

Fine him for 4 years if he doesn't show up.
if he does, just DNP him, and see where his game is at 5 years from now.

[Son Goku 25]

Is there even a chance of this happening?

I'm assuming someone will eventually give in and likely the kings

[Spida888]

Read on Twitter

[Dr Positivity]

Saw on The Athletic that Rich Paul may want Maxey included in any Simmons deal.

Doesn't really have to be too complicated:

Pascal + Flynn = Simmons + Maxey

Not saying I would do that deal. I probably wouldn't. But Embiid and Pascal are both from Cameroon, all the contracts work and if you are team committed to 6'8+ position-less basketball, Simmons would seem to be the crown jewel of that type of system. Also, if you think Boucher can be a starting PF, you slide OG to SF and away you go.

But again, I don't think I do this deal. I like Pascal way too much.

I'd only do a deal including Fred + filler + picks for Simmons

Philly needs someone who can hit open shots & dump the ball from inside to Embiid to set-up the Offense. FVV instantly brings much needed experience & stability.

Raptors are in transition and going into defensive mode with length irst & likely have the organization that might help grow Simmons out of his issues.

As much as some still overrate Simmons value, it is clearly not working in Philly. Makes perfect sense for both teams.

With where 76ers are right now Fred and Boucher should be enough value without picks imo, as Boucher is valuable to 76ers title run as well.

[Dr Positivity]

Current state of Simmons offers

[Raps in 4]

Philly needs someone who can hit open shots

So do we.

[OAKLEY_2]

“I was told today in no uncertain terms, he will go anywhere but Philadelphia. He just wants out of Philadelphia. You’re hearing the teams Minnesota, Toronto right? Going after him hard. I’m told he’d go there.” “If he’s willing to go to Minnesota, even Toronto, I mean they’ve won a championship, but it ain’t America.” “I’m told he’s willing to go to any team other than Philadelphia.”

Chris Broussard had an epiphany: Toronto ain't America. He is still waiting to be told in no uncertain terms what nationality Simmons is and that America as having cache is an L.A. narrative for Laker and Clipper media attention whoring.

[sidsid]

If Morey waits it out, here's what I think the end game is:

Goes to the deadline hoping for a Lillard trade, or Beal. If that doesn't happen, the Kings/Minnesota packages likely won't have improved (maybe Minny gets desperate) so we go to the offseason.

Here is the last chance at Lillard. If nothing happens then the desperation packages become options. Doubt the FVV packages make it, but who knows.

These situations usually don't boil over for a full year, but Morey really hasn't been in this situation before and I think he knows Ben is the only big piece he can use to change the franchise. I bet he pushes it.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

If Morey waits it out, here's what I think the end game is:

Goes to the deadline hoping for a Lillard trade, or Beal. If that doesn't happen, the Kings/Minnesota packages likely won't have improved (maybe Minny gets desperate) so we go to the offseason.

Here is the last chance at Lillard. If nothing happens then the desperation packages become options. Doubt the FVV packages make it, but who knows.

These situations usually don't boil over for a full year, but Morey really hasn't been in this situation before and I think he knows Ben is the only big piece he can use to change the franchise. I bet he pushes it.

There has never been a player to my knowledge who has sat out the entire season until the deadline. This would real havoc on the sixers. Ocums razor probably does it. Traded before the start of camp.

[TRex520]

That's interesting because Toronto has models. Many players have dated, or even married, women from Toronto. I am sure he can find enough to keep him happy.

I don't think he's a great fit here. Barnes is an outgoing personality, I can see issues like with Embiid. He will never be a decent shooter. He might get better but never decent plus he has mental blocks that prevent him from reaching full potential. So you have to consider him as he is more than what he can become because that ship is sailing.

In GSW it would be a wonderful thing with Curry as the shooting guard. Him, Draymond and Klay on defense. Good team. And I can see him and Klay really getting along.

Toronto or Canada in general has a lot of great models. However, it is the fame that Ben Simmons enjoy. First Kardashian then the chick that he went to Wimbledon with. Speaking of Wimbledon, he said he would work on his game during that time. I guess he meant the dating game.

Anyway, I don't think he will end up here. I mean it will causes great defensive team but no 3s, no shooter and lack of interior size will not bring us far.

Ya only GSW make sense, they can carry him on offence. He will be valuable on D, which GSW can definitely use some of it. GSW wanna win while still have the core of Steph, Klay and Draymond. Iggy experiment helped them before and Simmons can provide something similar. I will say that's the best fit for both Simmons and GSW

If it's about fame, I'd argue that Kawhi increased his fame and popularity in Toronto through no real effort outside of playing basketball. Canadian social media took Kawhi and ran with it. Whereas in LA, he's kinda disappeared into the woodwork.

Anywhere else, Ben won't get the recognition he's looking for. As long as he shows up and plays hard, Toronto fans will love him and espouse that fact all over the internet.

I think it is a bit different, because Kawhi is an introvert. Also, Aussie doesn't like cold. 10 degree is already winter for them. He won't like it here.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Toronto or Canada in general has a lot of great models. However, it is the fame that Ben Simmons enjoy. First Kardashian then the chick that he went to Wimbledon with. Speaking of Wimbledon, he said he would work on his game during that time. I guess he meant the dating game.

Anyway, I don't think he will end up here. I mean it will causes great defensive team but no 3s, no shooter and lack of interior size will not bring us far.

Ya only GSW make sense, they can carry him on offence. He will be valuable on D, which GSW can definitely use some of it. GSW wanna win while still have the core of Steph, Klay and Draymond. Iggy experiment helped them before and Simmons can provide something similar. I will say that's the best fit for both Simmons and GSW

If it's about fame, I'd argue that Kawhi increased his fame and popularity in Toronto through no real effort outside of playing basketball. Canadian social media took Kawhi and ran with it. Whereas in LA, he's kinda disappeared into the woodwork.

Anywhere else, Ben won't get the recognition he's looking for. As long as he shows up and plays hard, Toronto fans will love him and espouse that fact all over the internet.

I think it is a bit different, because Kawhi is an introvert. Also, Aussie doesn't like cold. 10 degree is already winter for them. He won't like it here.

He just signed a long extension to play in the tropical philly PA - he's not concerned about the weather

[sidsid]

If Morey waits it out, here's what I think the end game is:

Goes to the deadline hoping for a Lillard trade, or Beal. If that doesn't happen, the Kings/Minnesota packages likely won't have improved (maybe Minny gets desperate) so we go to the offseason.

Here is the last chance at Lillard. If nothing happens then the desperation packages become options. Doubt the FVV packages make it, but who knows.

These situations usually don't boil over for a full year, but Morey really hasn't been in this situation before and I think he knows Ben is the only big piece he can use to change the franchise. I bet he pushes it.

There has never been a player to my knowledge who has sat out the entire season until the deadline. This would real havoc on the sixers. Ocums razor probably does it. Traded before the start of camp.

That's true. I just think the Lillard, Ben, Embiid factors kind of put this in play. Lillard and Embiid are just bigger factors than Ben, and that would be my driving motivation over a forced Ben move or displeasing an agent. A pivotal moment for the franchise that is bigger than Ben.