Simmons: Yes or No?

normgod6 · Post #61 » by **normgod6** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 4:06 am

to me its a no brainer to trade for ben as simmons raises the teams ceiling. Hes younger and has infinitely more tools to work with than FVV or Pascal. A team built around pascal and Fred is a treadmill team at best. They simply are not skilled or talented enough to take that next step. At least Simmons has the small chance of getting his head straight and learn to be more aggressive. If that happens, simmons are be one of most impactful players in the league. If it takes one of Fred of Pascal, its worth it not only to get ben, but to get off this treadmill core

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NeoDragonKnight · Post #62 » by **NeoDragonKnight** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 4:36 am

If Simmons wasn't a 4 year contract close to $40mil per year, I would take a chance, so he would be a pass for me right now not to mention what price trade wise he may cost. IMO You don't want a max player that you cannot give the ball to in crunch time, you need someone aggressive and can score from anywhere on the floor. Yes he is really good defensively, but that is a steep price for a defensive player. And theres too much wishful thinking his mentality and shooting will improve.

NewlookJack · Post #63 » by **NewlookJack** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 4:42 am

I voted yes because if our development is as good as they say we can fix his shot. If he can shoot than he's a top 5 guy in the league. He doesn't look that broken in his off season videos. It'd be nice if we could still get someone like Wiggins in a separate trade involving Dragic who can create their own shot though because I imagine Siakam is going in any Simmons deal.

Raps in 4 · Post #64 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 5:40 am

normgod6 wrote:to me its a no brainer to trade for ben as simmons raises the teams ceiling. Hes younger and has infinitely more tools to work with than FVV or Pascal.

What tools? He's one of the most offensively limited players in the league.

OhCanada1091 · Post #65 » by **OhCanada1091** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 5:53 am

No. I think the asking price is too high and Simmons does not fit the Raptors culture. The Kawhi gamble worked because of how much our team needed that alpha type player, as Kyle always says "big dog gotta eat".

OhCanada1091 · Post #66 » by **OhCanada1091** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 5:54 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
normgod6 wrote:to me its a no brainer to trade for ben as simmons raises the teams ceiling. Hes younger and has infinitely more tools to work with than FVV or Pascal.

What tools? He's one of the most offensively limited players in the league.

He just needs to learn to shoot to be fair. Everything else is there. He has a better handle and floater game then 90% of pointgaurds.

Johnny Bball · Post #67 » by **Johnny Bball** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 6:06 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
normgod6 wrote:to me its a no brainer to trade for ben as simmons raises the teams ceiling. Hes younger and has infinitely more tools to work with than FVV or Pascal.

What tools? He's one of the most offensively limited players in the league.

Nah he’s not. He’s not a shooter is all he’s not.

And Call it just a hunch…. I’ve a feeling that Simmons going to do to sixers fans what carter did to Toronto fans to force a trade, and turn around his game on a dime and in Simmons case start shooting threes. I think that he wanted out all year long.

Swag · Post #68 » by **Swag** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 6:50 am

Yes.

But no OG and no Scottie

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Swag · Post #69 » by **Swag** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 6:53 am

UcanUwill wrote:Russilo and Simmons had a great talk on Simmons, and it really stick to me, because I see myself in SImmons. They said Simmons is afraid to fail and it shows in 4th. quarters. And man do I know what it means, because I am like that, I have a lot of fears and phobias, especially in social situations, and when you have that fear to fail, what you do is always try to blend to a point you become invisible, you just do nothing, take no initiative, cause doing something could lead to failure. That stuff is in your head and it doesnt just go away, you will have moments when you can overcome it somewhat, but at the end it always catches up to you. When you take 3 forth quarter shots in 7 game series, you have fear of failure. And trust me, I am telling you first hand, fear of failure can destroy any potential person has.

Bro your post really touched me - wishing you well and sending vibes of encouragement.

You got this. Whatever it is, you got this.

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Raps in 4 · Post #70 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 7:14 am

OhCanada1091 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
normgod6 wrote:to me its a no brainer to trade for ben as simmons raises the teams ceiling. Hes younger and has infinitely more tools to work with than FVV or Pascal.

What tools? He's one of the most offensively limited players in the league.

He just needs to learn to shoot to be fair. Everything else is there. He has a better handle and floater game then 90% of pointgaurds.

He just needs to develop the most important skill in basketball, something he hasn't managed to do in 4 seasons in the NBA. It's possible he does it on another team, but is that slim possibility worth trading away assets and taking on the $145 million still remaining on his contract?

Appostis · Post #71 » by **Appostis** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 10:47 am

GTJr/Flynn/protected picks?

Sure.

OG/Barnes/Pascal/FVV? No thanks.

Anticon · Post #72 » by **Anticon** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 12:33 pm

Will we make the finals or even make the conference finals with him? No on the first, and a maybe on the second.

It's just shuffling the deck chairs then. So we need to keep on building a real contender, and keep our assets for moves that'll get Us to that.

Even if you could get him for very little, I don't think it makes sense. There's a reason why perennial losing clubs like Minnie and Sac are the main ones sniffing around.

DSWC · Post #73 » by **DSWC** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 1:12 pm

Philly's asking price has been absolutely ridiculous...but if you can get him on a huge discount, then talent is talent. If our "spare parts" package is better than all the other teams'...sure...you do it. If you're giving up anything anything like the rumoured packages,- where we're giving up multiple core pieces plus draft picks - you walk away.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #74 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 1:27 pm

Easy no.

Tall Rondo is still Rondo. Surround him with 3 hall of famers and he'll help you win. Build your team around him and he'll disappoint.

Rapsalot · Post #75 » by **Rapsalot** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 1:42 pm

I really like BS on another team. We have a number of similar players with better shooting skills. The only thing he adds is passing and playmaking. You can’t even play him in the C role because in order for that to work you have to hit 30% from 3 to keep Def honest. Unless you are a down low C like JV.
His contract is also insane for his skills and a very large negative for years to come! So, No.

Skeezo · Post #76 » by **Skeezo** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 2:01 pm

I honestly don't know which is why I have not really weighed in too much on the Simmons talk... I think it really all depends what the deal is?

For me FVV and OG cannot be involved in the deal. With Kyle gone, FVV's locker room leadership & presence is needed now more than ever. OG is still too young, has too much ceiling left, and fits everything that we are trying to do.

Pascal is really the ONLY one that I MIGHT be able to be convinced to give up in a deal for Simmons, & even then, I'm on the fence about it and still unsure. Still, with all of Ben's flaws, to which there are some biggies, Ben is still an All-NBA, All-Defensive player who is locked in for several more years. Would I give up anything in addition to Pascal? Absolutely, not. In fact, I might be the one searching for the extras, even though this is as close to a one-for-one swap as you can get.

SurgeIblocka · Post #77 » by **SurgeIblocka** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 2:09 pm

You can teach skill but you cant change attitude. Demar was a hard worker but his attitude on getting benched showed why he couldn't be a key piece on a contender. Ben may be skilled but his attitude of thinking he is better than he actually is and his fear of shooting in crunch time may not be something Raps can change. Too much of a risk at his cap price and years remaining to take a flyer to see if we can change his attitude.

deeps6x · Post #78 » by **deeps6x** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 2:11 pm

I voted GTFO, not because I don't want him, but because his salary is insane. I'd rather keep FVV and GTJ on the team for the same money.

deeps6x · Post #79 » by **deeps6x** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 2:16 pm

Skeezo wrote:I honestly don't know which is why I have not really weighed in too much on the Simmons talk... I think it really all depends what the deal is?

For me FVV and OG cannot be involved in the deal. With Kyle gone, FVV's locker room leadership & presence is needed now more than ever. OG is still too young, has too much ceiling left, and fits everything that we are trying to do.

Pascal is really the ONLY one that I MIGHT be able to be convinced to give up in a deal for Simmons, & I'm even then, I'm on the fence about it and still unsure. Still, with all of Ben's flaws, to which there are some biggies, Ben is still an All-NBA, All-Defensive player who is locked in for several for years. Would I give up anything in addition to Pascal? Absolutely, not. In fact, I might be the one searching for the extras, even though this is as close to a one-for-one swap as you can get.

I feel the same way. IF Siakam wants out for some reasons not publicly disclosed at the moment, then, and only then would I be willing to do a Siakam for Simmons swap. And yeah, if there are no behind the scenes problems with Siakam, then I'd be looking for extras as well in the deal.

OG is the future. FVV is the heart, soul, and leader of the team. Neither get traded if it was up to me.

Kevin Willis · Post #80 » by **Kevin Willis** » Sun Sep 5, 2021 2:17 pm

Skeezo wrote:I honestly don't know which is why I have not really weighed in too much on the Simmons talk... I think it really all depends what the deal is?

For me FVV and OG cannot be involved in the deal. With Kyle gone, FVV's locker room leadership & presence is needed now more than ever. OG is still too young, has too much ceiling left, and fits everything that we are trying to do.

Pascal is really the ONLY one that I MIGHT be able to be convinced to give up in a deal for Simmons, & I'm even then, I'm on the fence about it and still unsure. Still, with all of Ben's flaws, to which there are some biggies, Ben is still an All-NBA, All-Defensive player who is locked in for several for years. Would I give up anything in addition to Pascal? Absolutely, not. In fact, I might be the one searching for the extras, even though this is as close to a one-for-one swap as you can get.

I'm with you, I don't really know either. My concern is that if his heart isn't in it or if he's not confident he checks out. I don't know how he would feel in Toronto - he doesn't have a Kawhi mentality. He could easily check out for a season. We need a FVV and OG here for your reasons.

Pascal + filler for Simmons is interesting but Philly won't do that so it's a non-starter. Pascal is also an All-NBA, All-Defensive type player just not as good. And Pascal is great for a locker room and would be amazing with Embiid but still Philly won't do that.