New direction Bulls. do you bullieve? (August thread : have you changed your mind?)

[PlayerUp]

Bulls beat bet is to hope that Philly can hold out till Dec and try to make a trade for Simmons centered around Ball, William's, cap space and picks. Because that three something they have is not impressing no M one. As a Bulls fan, I'm disgusted by the last 5 years of this team's moves, mismanagement and lack of player development.

As a Bulls fan, I'm taking Lonzo and Patrick and draft picks 100% of the time over whiny diva Call of Duty player Simmons.

And support for that crap is why Reinsdorf knows he can puts a crappy product on the floor and people would go to Bulls games. Which he loves because he gets to take that money and find the White Sox. Which are his baby.

Your posts are ridiculous. Howabout you give the team a chance to see what they can do instead of prematurely drawing conclusions? Furthermore, Michael is running the team now, not Jerry.

[Knightfall]

As a Bulls fan, I'm taking Lonzo and Patrick and draft picks 100% of the time over whiny diva Call of Duty player Simmons.

And support for that crap is why Reinsdorf knows he can puts a crappy product on the floor and people would go to Bulls games. Which he loves because he gets to take that money and find the White Sox. Which are his baby.

Your posts are ridiculous. Howabout you give the team a chance to see what they can do instead of prematurely drawing conclusions? Furthermore, Michael is running the team now, not Jerry.

Please feel free to point out where they're ridiculous? Cause you disagree. That's your opinion. And hey if I'm wrong about this team, so be it. However this team has a lot of money tied into a big 3 of Lavine, Ball and Vucevic which is not scaring anyone. What's really ridiculous is that you want to drink the same kool side as everyone else thinking that you'd rather have Ball then a consistent all defensive player like Simmons. Simmons may not shoot, but unlike Ball, he's a difference maker on the floor. But hey it's cool. Let's place high Hope's on a 3 something, that's maybe lucky to go for the 9th or 10th seed play in tournament. Yay!!!

[Dez]

And support for that crap is why Reinsdorf knows he can puts a crappy product on the floor and people would go to Bulls games. Which he loves because he gets to take that money and find the White Sox. Which are his baby.

Your posts are ridiculous. Howabout you give the team a chance to see what they can do instead of prematurely drawing conclusions? Furthermore, Michael is running the team now, not Jerry.

Please feel free to point out where they're ridiculous? Cause you disagree. That's your opinion. And hey if I'm wrong about this team, so be it. However this team has a lot of money tied into a big 3 of Lavine, Ball and Vucevic which is not scaring anyone. What's really ridiculous is that you want to drink the same kool side as everyone else thinking that you'd rather have Ball then a consistent all defensive player like Simmons. Simmons may not shoot, but unlike Ball, he's a difference maker on the floor. But hey it's cool. Let's place high Hope's on a 3 something, that's maybe lucky to go for the 9th or 10th seed play in tournament. Yay!!!

Oh please this team is getting vastly underrated and you thinking they'll be lucky to get in the play in tournament is ridiculous.

[TTP]

I think they'll be competing for a low end playoff seed with some chance of missing the playoffs. The initial Vegas win totals I've seen have them projected in the 39-43 win range, roughly 8th in the East.

I liked the Ball and Caruso acquisitions, did not like the Vucevic trade, and thought the DDR trade was horrendous. I'm more intrigued with LaVine than I was a year ago, but I'm still probably a bit more bearish there than most.

Ultimately though, I would not have rushed to compete so soon, especially with so many one way players in the starting lineup, for what's likely to be a first round exit. I get that staying the course and planning for the future is unappealing when you've been doing it for so long, but I still think it's a higher expectation long-term strategy than going all in for the 8th seed.

There's a pretty decent amount of downside risk here if things don't work out, especially with DDR and Vucevic at the tail end of their prime with question marks about how they'll be able to adapt as they age, a scary LaVine extension looming, and not many future assets to work with to get to the next level.

[Plossum]

They'll be a lot better than last year but not an East contender. Somewhere in that 5-8 range.

[Knightfall]

[quote="Dez"][quote="Knightfall"][quote="PlayerUp"]

Your posts are ridiculous. Howabout you give the team a chance to see what they can do instead of prematurely drawing conclusions? Furthermore, Michael is running the team now, not Jerry.[/quote]

Please feel free to point out where they're ridiculous? Cause you disagree. That's your opinion. And hey if I'm wrong about this team, so be it. However this team has a lot of money tied into a big 3 of Lavine, Ball and Vucevic which is not scaring anyone. What's really ridiculous is that you want to drink the same kool side as everyone else thinking that you'd rather have Ball then a consistent all defensive player like Simmons. Simmons may not shoot, but unlike Ball, he's a difference maker on the floor. But hey it's cool. Let's place high Hope's on a 3 something, that's maybe lucky to go for the 9th or 10th seed play in tournament. Yay!!![/quote]

Oh please this team is getting vastly underrated and you thinking they'll be lucky to get in the play in tournament is ridiculous.[/quote]


They're not better then any of the following teams.

BK
Philly
Milwaukee
Atlanta
NY
Miami

Hello 7th - 10th seeds aka play in teams and teams they may not be better then.
Boston
Indiana
Washington
Toronto (if they're at home this season)
Charlotte.
That is the realistic group that is this teams high standard for the season. That's 11 teams 6 for sure better, 5 of which 3 will most likely be better. But hey, again. When the season ends and if the Bulls are lucky enough that their 3 something gets them to the play in. They hit their ceiling. That may up some trade value for some of these 2nd and 3rd options. To get a real 1st option. I mean, I know you're betting high on the lesser Ball brother. Especially thinking he's better then Ben simmons. Now that is flat out ridiculous.

[Knightfall]

bulloney

I'm a Bulls fan a I endorse this post.

[Dez]

Please feel free to point out where they're ridiculous? Cause you disagree. That's your opinion. And hey if I'm wrong about this team, so be it. However this team has a lot of money tied into a big 3 of Lavine, Ball and Vucevic which is not scaring anyone. What's really ridiculous is that you want to drink the same kool side as everyone else thinking that you'd rather have Ball then a consistent all defensive player like Simmons. Simmons may not shoot, but unlike Ball, he's a difference maker on the floor. But hey it's cool. Let's place high Hope's on a 3 something, that's maybe lucky to go for the 9th or 10th seed play in tournament. Yay!!!

Oh please this team is getting vastly underrated and you thinking they'll be lucky to get in the play in tournament is ridiculous.

They're not better then any of the following teams.

BK
Philly
Milwaukee
Atlanta
NY
Miami

Hello 7th - 10th seeds aka play in teams and teams they may not be better then.
Boston
Indiana
Washington
Toronto (if they're at home this season)
Charlotte.
That is the realistic group that is this teams high standard for the season. That's 11 teams 6 for sure better, 5 of which 3 will most likely be better. But hey, again. When the season ends and if the Bulls are lucky enough that their 3 something gets them to the play in. They hit their ceiling. That may up some trade value for some of these 2nd and 3rd options. To get a real 1st option. I mean, I know you're betting high on the lesser Ball brother. Especially thinking he's better then Ben simmons. Now that is flat out ridiculous.

You don't know whether or not they're better or worse than those teams given they haven't played together yet.

[Knightfall]

Oh please this team is getting vastly underrated and you thinking they'll be lucky to get in the play in tournament is ridiculous.

They're not better then any of the following teams.

BK
Philly
Milwaukee
Atlanta
NY
Miami

Hello 7th - 10th seeds aka play in teams and teams they may not be better then.
Boston
Indiana
Washington
Toronto (if they're at home this season)
Charlotte.
That is the realistic group that is this teams high standard for the season. That's 11 teams 6 for sure better, 5 of which 3 will most likely be better. But hey, again. When the season ends and if the Bulls are lucky enough that their 3 something gets them to the play in. They hit their ceiling. That may up some trade value for some of these 2nd and 3rd options. To get a real 1st option. I mean, I know you're betting high on the lesser Ball brother. Especially thinking he's better then Ben simmons. Now that is flat out ridiculous.

You don't know whether or not they're better or worse than those teams given they haven't played together yet.

A little delusional here? Ok you're right. They're better then Brooklyn. Hello NBA title in Chicago again. I will bookmark this thread and we will discuss this at the end of the season. Well see if the Bulls finish above 7th seed. Aka they play in tournament aka the your forced not to tank the end of the year competition.

[Dez]

They're not better then any of the following teams.

BK
Philly
Milwaukee
Atlanta
NY
Miami

Hello 7th - 10th seeds aka play in teams and teams they may not be better then.
Boston
Indiana
Washington
Toronto (if they're at home this season)
Charlotte.
That is the realistic group that is this teams high standard for the season. That's 11 teams 6 for sure better, 5 of which 3 will most likely be better. But hey, again. When the season ends and if the Bulls are lucky enough that their 3 something gets them to the play in. They hit their ceiling. That may up some trade value for some of these 2nd and 3rd options. To get a real 1st option. I mean, I know you're betting high on the lesser Ball brother. Especially thinking he's better then Ben simmons. Now that is flat out ridiculous.

You don't know whether or not they're better or worse than those teams given they haven't played together yet.

A little delusional here? Ok you're right. They're better then Brooklyn. Hello NBA title in Chicago again. I will bookmark this thread and we will discuss this at the end of the season. Well see if the Bulls finish above 7th seed. Aka they play in tournament aka the your forced not to tank the end of the year competition.

I didn't say they were better than Brooklyn.

Feel free to bookmark it.

[UcanUwill]

And support for that crap is why Reinsdorf knows he can puts a crappy product on the floor and people would go to Bulls games. Which he loves because he gets to take that money and find the White Sox. Which are his baby.

Your posts are ridiculous. Howabout you give the team a chance to see what they can do instead of prematurely drawing conclusions? Furthermore, Michael is running the team now, not Jerry.

Please feel free to point out where they're ridiculous? Cause you disagree. That's your opinion. And hey if I'm wrong about this team, so be it. However this team has a lot of money tied into a big 3 of Lavine, Ball and Vucevic which is not scaring anyone. What's really ridiculous is that you want to drink the same kool side as everyone else thinking that you'd rather have Ball then a consistent all defensive player like Simmons. Simmons may not shoot, but unlike Ball, he's a difference maker on the floor. But hey it's cool. Let's place high Hope's on a 3 something, that's maybe lucky to go for the 9th or 10th seed play in tournament. Yay!!!

I think your point is pretty ridiculous, because your initial point was trading for Simmons is the way to make team relevant I guess? Which is fair, but other fan just said he rather have his young guys instead of Simmons, which is also fair, you can debate which option is better, but you instantly jump ship and accuse that fan of blind zombie support of a team and owner that doesnt deserve it, cause he rather have his guys over Simmons? Thats pretty ridiculous accusation, maybe we are prisoners of the moment and underrating SImmons right now, you can debate that, but do not act that a fan liking his teams' young guys is blind support, not like he said he wouldn't trade future second round pick for Simmons, your hypothetical trade includes guys that a lot of fans around the league feel very high on (Lonoz and PAW) , its not subjective Bulls fan thing IMO.

[chitownsports4ever]

Please feel free to point out where they're ridiculous? Cause you disagree. That's your opinion. And hey if I'm wrong about this team, so be it. However this team has a lot of money tied into a big 3 of Lavine, Ball and Vucevic which is not scaring anyone. What's really ridiculous is that you want to drink the same kool side as everyone else thinking that you'd rather have Ball then a consistent all defensive player like Simmons. Simmons may not shoot, but unlike Ball, he's a difference maker on the floor. But hey it's cool. Let's place high Hope's on a 3 something, that's maybe lucky to go for the 9th or 10th seed play in tournament. Yay!!!

Oh please this team is getting vastly underrated and you thinking they'll be lucky to get in the play in tournament is ridiculous.

They're not better then any of the following teams.

BK
Philly
Milwaukee
Atlanta
NY
Miami

Hello 7th - 10th seeds aka play in teams and teams they may not be better then.
Boston
Indiana
Washington
Toronto (if they're at home this season)
Charlotte.
That is the realistic group that is this teams high standard for the season. That's 11 teams 6 for sure better, 5 of which 3 will most likely be better. But hey, again. When the season ends and if the Bulls are lucky enough that their 3 something gets them to the play in. They hit their ceiling. That may up some trade value for some of these 2nd and 3rd options. To get a real 1st option. I mean, I know you're betting high on the lesser Ball brother. Especially thinking he's better then Ben simmons. Now that is flat out ridiculous.

The Bulls were already at a play in team level until Lavine got Covid in April . So what you are saying that adding DeRozan, Ball, Caruso doesn't move the needle at all? They cant expect Williams to get better or White ?

Its amazing how you guys pick and choose who to apply your reasoning to .

[tamaraw08]

For me Donovan is the key. This would be his second year and should have better knowledge on how to handle Lavine and Vucevic. Getting Caruso and Ball should help them play much better defense than last year. I see them finishing 6th.

[Knightfall]

Oh please this team is getting vastly underrated and you thinking they'll be lucky to get in the play in tournament is ridiculous.

They're not better then any of the following teams.

BK
Philly
Milwaukee
Atlanta
NY
Miami

Hello 7th - 10th seeds aka play in teams and teams they may not be better then.
Boston
Indiana
Washington
Toronto (if they're at home this season)
Charlotte.
That is the realistic group that is this teams high standard for the season. That's 11 teams 6 for sure better, 5 of which 3 will most likely be better. But hey, again. When the season ends and if the Bulls are lucky enough that their 3 something gets them to the play in. They hit their ceiling. That may up some trade value for some of these 2nd and 3rd options. To get a real 1st option. I mean, I know you're betting high on the lesser Ball brother. Especially thinking he's better then Ben simmons. Now that is flat out ridiculous.

The Bulls were already at a play in team level until Lavine got Covid in April . So what you are saying that adding DeRozan, Ball, Caruso doesn't move the needle at all? They cant expect Williams to get better or White ?

Its amazing how you guys pick and choose who to apply your reasoning to .

In all honesty, I just don't like the make up of the team. I think it's a large group of solid players and b list wannabe stars. I like Vuc and Lavine. But they should be 2nd and 3rd options on a true contending team. Ball I see as a 6th man or a pg on a championship contender that the starting 5 is mostly set on. DD is a good player, o thought he caught slot of slack, but at his age and the Bulls make up of the team, I don't like the signing. And as for the young guys improving, they're young, if they don't improve that's a problem. But Chicago hasn't had the best record for player development. So those youngsters need to get that rolling themselves.

Can't blame fans for not liking the makeup of the team.

[UcanUwill]

Bulls looked great last night, even with my nemesis, mr. overrated NIkola Vooch sucking it in and showing what he is when his shots arent falling. Perimeter is pretty stacked there though.

[Pointgod]

Bulls looked great last night, even with my nemesis, mr. overrated NIkola Vooch sucking it in and showing what he is when his shots arent falling. Perimeter is pretty stacked there though.

Lol it’s only one game and it was against the truly hapless Cavs who will probably be a bottom 4 team in the league. But looking back at the posts in this thread lol there are a lot of predictions that might be off.

[HoopsterJones]

I think the Bulls realistically have a shot at being a 5th seed in the East if they stay relatively healthy. That would be a big step in the right direction for this team.

[PhilBlackson]

They're not better then any of the following teams.

BK
Philly
Milwaukee
Atlanta
NY
Miami

Hello 7th - 10th seeds aka play in teams and teams they may not be better then.
Boston
Indiana
Washington
Toronto (if they're at home this season)
Charlotte.
That is the realistic group that is this teams high standard for the season. That's 11 teams 6 for sure better, 5 of which 3 will most likely be better. But hey, again. When the season ends and if the Bulls are lucky enough that their 3 something gets them to the play in. They hit their ceiling. That may up some trade value for some of these 2nd and 3rd options. To get a real 1st option. I mean, I know you're betting high on the lesser Ball brother. Especially thinking he's better then Ben simmons. Now that is flat out ridiculous.

I don't think the Bulls are a top 5 team in the East either but they can land anywhere thereafter. I really think the 6th -8th seed is going to be such a toss up and also very dependent on health/availibility.

I see all of the below vying for the 6-8th seed but I put them in a rough order I'd expect at this point until the season gets going and we see who's chemistry is coming together or who is struggling with injuries etc:

Milwaukee
Brooklyn
Atlanta
Miami
Philadelphia
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Boston
Chicago
New York
Indiana
Toronto

I'm not buying Charlotte, LaMelo is a stud but the team overall isn't that great and Washington is been below average for years now, they seem to make it when other teams we're tanking AND actually on the back of Westbrook, they'll need to actually show they're a team to reckon with before I give them any relevancy.

As for CHI specifically, I'm not 100% sold that they're a Playoff team -- I mean I favor them and Boston because those 2 have the best talent but other teams I have in that bracket play hard/with a ton of effort , better defensively and have better depth (again health has proven to be critical). The Bulls' defence is suspect at best and that's my greatest question mark for them because sure they can score at a decent clip (not sold either that it's some elite offense either given how iso heavy Zach and DeMar are) but will they be able to get stops?! That doesn't just apply in the Playoffs, there's going to be off nights throughout the season and even the bad teams of the East like DET, CLE etc got a bit better with their picks so a lot of those "gimme" games aren't going to be the cakewalk of last year. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out...

[Bob Ross]

No

[RoyceDa59]

I’m a believer of the new look Bulls and management.

The only thing they’re missing, which is the hardest to acquire and most important piece to any true contender, is a superstar.

Im also a little worried about their defence. But I do expect them to battle for the 3rd seed in the East after the Bucks and Nets.