Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[sixers4real]

I don’t think Morey will trade both Simmons and Harris before training camp, although I love everybody on this Sixers team expect these two lol.

Value wise, we have an excellent team outside of Simmons and Harris.

[sixers4real]

Some Wolves fan said he’d be okay with trading Simmons for Beasley, McDaniels, Prince and three firsts when my original propose was Simmons for Beasley, McDaniels, Prince, 3 FRPs and 3 swaps.

I’m all about value right now and develop Maxey. I don’t see any trade that puts us in the same tier as Nets for the next season, actually.

So better make a trade that will help contend in 2023/2024

[kuclas]

Some Wolves fan said he’d be okay with trading Simmons for Beasley, McDaniels, Prince and three firsts when my original propose was Simmons for Beasley, McDaniels, Prince, 3 FRPs and 3 swaps.

I’m all about value right now and develop Maxey. I don’t see any trade that puts us in the same tier as Nets for the next season, actually.

So better make a trade that will help contend in 2023/2024

Issue with these trades is our current rotation is 10-11 deep
Simmons embiid green curry Harris
Bench thybulle maxey Drummond Milton kork Niang
Springer Reed joe dnp/cd

Trading for beasey McDaniels and Prince and only losing Simmons.

Too many players and not enough playing time.

I don’t see anyone except Beasley getting more than 15 minutes for the sixers.

[sixers4real]

Some Wolves fan said he’d be okay with trading Simmons for Beasley, McDaniels, Prince and three firsts when my original propose was Simmons for Beasley, McDaniels, Prince, 3 FRPs and 3 swaps.

I’m all about value right now and develop Maxey. I don’t see any trade that puts us in the same tier as Nets for the next season, actually.

So better make a trade that will help contend in 2023/2024

Issue with these trades is our current rotation is 10-11 deep
Simmons embiid green curry Harris
Bench thybulle maxey Drummond Milton kork Niang
Springer Reed joe dnp/cd

Trading for beasey McDaniels and Prince and only losing Simmons.

Too many players and not enough playing time.

I don’t see anyone except Beasley getting more than 15 minutes for the sixers.

I don’t think Morey cares that much about playing time. He wants to win a title, and getting as mush value for Simmons as he can is a priority. Some star player will become available, eventually. We will have a lot of picks and swaps if we make a deal with Wolves.

[Black Mage]

I swore I wouldn't wade back into the trade packages discussion, but a friend and I were talking and this is one I'm not sure I've seen in over 400 pages (forgive me if I forgot it):

Philly Out: Simmons, Lakers 2024 or 2025 pick via NOLA
Philly In: Ingram

NOLA Out: Ingram
NOLA In: Brogdon, Warren & unprotected Sixers 2024 pick and Indy Top 4 protected pick

Indy Out: Brogdon, Warren
Indy In: Simmons

Personally, I'm a big fan of Brogdon and Warren and I'd gamble on the health concerns (plus could be a good stealth tank) but I get a lot of folks here don't care for them so flipped them to NOLA. NOLA really doesn't have a viable PG who can defend the perimeter and Brogdon fills that hole nicely while Warren gives you some of what they lose in Ingram.

[Kobblehead]

Either teams take Simmons or they don't, but I'm not attaching any draft capitol to him in a transaction.

[Negrodamus]

Kobble is going to be irate when we add a pick(s) to Simmons to get Beal.

[Kobblehead]

Beal/Harris would be reminiscent of other psuedocreator duos that played in Finals with hall of fame bigs (Allen/Piece and Turkoglu/Lewis).

The onus would be on Embiid to play at an MVP level for us to break through, though.

[Stanford]

Kobble is going to be irate when we add a pick(s) to Simmons to get Beal.

More than kobble

[the_process]

Kobble is going to be irate when we add a pick(s) to Simmons to get Beal.

You think Beal is asking out?

[BNelley24]

Not sure why Beal is still being discussed. The guy had the best chance ever to leave this offseason. Perfect timing. Yet he did not ask out. He’s surrounded by friends now too. Wizards would have to really suck after the first 3 weeks of the season for them to even consider it. I’m talking bottom 5 team in league, which I doubt.

Some Cavs smoke today. They kind of make sense too. They have a decent amount of assets, a young player potentially on the cusp of being an all-star in Sexton, and they aren’t close to becoming a contender IMO so they could be more open to a big deal.

[spikeslovechild]

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[eyeatoma]

Not sure why Beal is still being discussed. The guy had the best chance ever to leave this offseason. Perfect timing. Yet he did not ask out. He’s surrounded by friends now too. Wizards would have to really suck after the first 3 weeks of the season for them to even consider it. I’m talking bottom 5 team in league, which I doubt.

Some Cavs smoke today. They kind of make sense too. They have a decent amount of assets, a young player potentially on the cusp of being an all-star in Sexton, and they aren’t close to becoming a contender IMO so they could be more open to a big deal.

Link to the Cavs rumor please.

[Sportfan73]

Not sure why Beal is still being discussed. The guy had the best chance ever to leave this offseason. Perfect timing. Yet he did not ask out. He’s surrounded by friends now too. Wizards would have to really suck after the first 3 weeks of the season for them to even consider it. I’m talking bottom 5 team in league, which I doubt.

Some Cavs smoke today. They kind of make sense too. They have a decent amount of assets, a young player potentially on the cusp of being an all-star in Sexton, and they aren’t close to becoming a contender IMO so they could be more open to a big deal.

Where’s the cavs smoke?

[Sportfan73]

Not sure why Beal is still being discussed. The guy had the best chance ever to leave this offseason. Perfect timing. Yet he did not ask out. He’s surrounded by friends now too. Wizards would have to really suck after the first 3 weeks of the season for them to even consider it. I’m talking bottom 5 team in league, which I doubt.

Some Cavs smoke today. They kind of make sense too. They have a decent amount of assets, a young player potentially on the cusp of being an all-star in Sexton, and they aren’t close to becoming a contender IMO so they could be more open to a big deal.

Also if Morey believes in Sexton that would be a him move, he traded for Harden at the exact same point in his career

[sixers hoops]

I thought some of the deals were acceptable, depending on what you believe.

I don’t have any interest really in taking Wiggins or a collection of role players, but there were rumored deals were we get Sexton, Halliburton, Fox, etc. If we can get a young guy with some potential to be our perimeter scorer, and free up some cap space, it seems better than letting Ben’s value possibly get lower.

I think Ben shows up to get paid, but we might start seeing injuries like when Butler and AD wanted to be traded. He starts missing extended time. Fans will boo him. He will play worse because he can’t handle the pressure.

I think getting a decent return a few weeks ago and moving on probably would’ve yielded a better return than waiting for him to improve his value. I could be wrong, but I just am pessimistic that Ben will increase his value.

Sexton and players like that are kind of garbage in my mind, Sexton is also close to getting a new contract which also would force us to max him.

I feel like if Halliburton and Fox were really on the table, a deal would have been made. But i don't know, if that return was there and Morey didn't get the deal done, yeah, he deserves the criticism.

Halliburton is specially attractive because he's on a rookie deal that allows to get more deep for our roster if we dump Hield and the other trash the Kings send us. And we can give him a new deal when Tobias get out of the books

Considering the potential Sexton contract, that really does reduce my interest. Halliburton may end up being the most available, acceptable target.

[stormi]

Not sure why Beal is still being discussed. The guy had the best chance ever to leave this offseason. Perfect timing. Yet he did not ask out. He’s surrounded by friends now too. Wizards would have to really suck after the first 3 weeks of the season for them to even consider it. I’m talking bottom 5 team in league, which I doubt.

Some Cavs smoke today. They kind of make sense too. They have a decent amount of assets, a young player potentially on the cusp of being an all-star in Sexton, and they aren’t close to becoming a contender IMO so they could be more open to a big deal.

Also if Morey believes in Sexton that would be a him move, he traded for Harden at the exact same point in his career

Harden was already tracking like a potential top 3 scorer in the league when he was traded to Houston.


(Age 22) Harden ----- Sexton

3PAr(%): 46.4 --------- 23.9
FTr(%): 58.7 --------- 34.7
TS(%): 66.0 ------ ---- 57.3
%FG ast'd 2P: 28.2 ---- 42.2

Essentially Harden created much more, shot way more 3's, was a foul drawing demon - all while being markedly more efficient. Not to mention James Harden is 6'5 and Collin Sexton is like Chris Paul height.

Like Sexton is cool. I'd move Tobias for him, but he's not a must attain asset. A 22 year old Harden on the market is 'give up everything to get this guy' tier.

[Sportfan73]

Not sure why Beal is still being discussed. The guy had the best chance ever to leave this offseason. Perfect timing. Yet he did not ask out. He’s surrounded by friends now too. Wizards would have to really suck after the first 3 weeks of the season for them to even consider it. I’m talking bottom 5 team in league, which I doubt.

Some Cavs smoke today. They kind of make sense too. They have a decent amount of assets, a young player potentially on the cusp of being an all-star in Sexton, and they aren’t close to becoming a contender IMO so they could be more open to a big deal.

Also if Morey believes in Sexton that would be a him move, he traded for Harden at the exact same point in his career

Harden was already tracking like a potential top 3 scorer in the league when he was traded to Houston.


(Age 22) Harden ----- Sexton

3PAr(%): 46.4 --------- 23.9
FTr(%): 58.7 --------- 34.7
TS(%): 66.0 ------ ---- 57.3
%FG ast'd 2P: 28.2 ---- 42.2

Essentially Harden created much more, shot way more 3's, was a foul drawing demon - all while markedly more efficient. Not to mention James Harden is 6'5 and Collin Sexton is like Chris Paul height.

Definitely I wasn’t saying they were the same player or even same talent level at all. Was more talking contractually. I think there’s more there to sexton than most give him credit for, but the fit with Maxey and or Curry is eh. So we would have to really believe. If we could figure it out without love I would be paying way more attention. Would probably take them trading okoro tho

[Kobblehead]

Cavs don't have anything to offer. Sexton and Garland are munchkin-sized mediocre shotcreators with no defense.

[Sportfan73]

Cavs don't have anything to offer. Sexton and Garland are munchkin-sized mediocre shotcreators with no defense.

Idk I think a Sexton, Rubio, salary filler, 2 firsts and 2 swaps is a good gamble. He’s 22, I definitely see all of the concerns but guys have made way bigger jumps than that. If we’re getting picks, swaps, and expirings I’m willing to take one less pick and get him instead