Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[sixers4real]

Only Fox can bring us championship because he can get an-assisted buckets, according to Kobble.

So what's your pushback?

Are you advocating that guys that need to be spoon-fed buckets is the path to a championship? What are you even doing?

I’ve asked you multiple times about what’s your suggestion Sixers should do right now with Simmons trade and never got answer.
You seem to be the person who always blames every other player for not being good enough, except for Lavine and Fox, who you say are GREAT, but never took their teams to a single playoff game, so I’m wondering what’s your suggestion on the Sixers situation and why these two haven’t been in the playoffs ever

[sixers4real]

Sexton sucks, BTW, I would much rather give the ball to Maxey then pay something to get Sexton

[Mik317]

I mean we aren't exactly in a position of power here.

Everybody knows we have to move Ben now.

Yeah yeah yeah...call his bluff. Show him whos boss and all that macho ****.

It doesn't work that way and never has...Ben can't dictate where he goes but we also can't just have the dark cloud that is Ben sitting around either.

So whatever we get back for him...will not solve all of our issues and be the perfect fit. That ship has sailed.

[Sportfan73]

First of all no way in hell we’re dealing with Portland without getting at least CJ lol. Second, Ben and Dame followed each other on Instagram today..

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[spikeslovechild]

I mean we aren't exactly in a position of power here.

Everybody knows we have to move Ben now.

Yeah yeah yeah...call his bluff. Show him whos boss and all that macho ****.

It doesn't work that way and never has...Ben can't dictate where he goes but we also can't just have the dark cloud that is Ben sitting around either.

So whatever we get back for him...will not solve all of our issues and be the perfect fit. That ship has sailed.

We don't have to move Ben at all. He has four years left on his contract. His agent would certainly like that perception to be the case but it's simply not true.

As far as what we get back for him it has to be a great fit otherwise there really is no incentive to not play hardball with him because many of the trades of Simmons for spare parts doesn't get us any closer to a title. So I really have zero issue being patient. Furthermore if he illegally withholds his services there is a decent chance not only do the Sixers not have to pay him but his contract won't toll either.

Which means he'll still have 4 years left on his deal after the year. He doesn't have much if any leverage all he can do really is which is try to create a certain perception in the media that the Sixers have to do something

[76ciology]

I mean we aren't exactly in a position of power here.

Everybody knows we have to move Ben now.

Yeah yeah yeah...call his bluff. Show him whos boss and all that macho ****.

It doesn't work that way and never has...Ben can't dictate where he goes but we also can't just have the dark cloud that is Ben sitting around either.

So whatever we get back for him...will not solve all of our issues and be the perfect fit. That ship has sailed.

Then wait for the moment when you’re in position of power or create situations when you’re in position of power.

Like for instance, if wolves continues to struggle and in this upcoming regular season, you may find yourself in position of power when they would try to overpay for Ben.

You can create a situation where you are in position of power by creating a bid war. Similar to what rockets did. We started to not offer Ben and ended up trying to offer everything for Harden.

You have to know first who are these guys who are willing to overpay for Ben. Then you talk to them simultaneously. Release news that you are advancing in your talks. You know the drill.

[76ciology]

The reason why nobody is offering anything is because there’s no news about “sixers advancing trade talks with x team with ben.”

It’s like when you’re at a shopping mall. When there’s nobody inside a shop, nobody goes in. But if there’s a lot of customers inside, people tend to enter the shop and check it out.

You just have to plan everything. Like setting up a con. You just need to know what the landscape is right now, pick the players, who should you use to leverage and then you pick your mark.

For instance in the Harden deal, I believe we were just used as leverage by the Rockets. Without Morey offering Ben, Nets wouldnt give all their draft picks.

[76ciology]

Think of the Lillard deal.

Im more confident we can get Lillard back then when everything is silent. Because if the landscape is very noisy back then, there’s gonna be some crazy team out of nowhere who’s likely going to offer everything to get Dame. I always feel that Pels can be a darkhorse player for any “win now” move, like when some people were saying they can swoop in for the Harden sweepstakes.

You have to create hype and then the people will chase the hype.

There’s no hype right now.

[downtownpie]

I mean we aren't exactly in a position of power here.

Everybody knows we have to move Ben now.

Yeah yeah yeah...call his bluff. Show him whos boss and all that macho ****.

It doesn't work that way and never has...Ben can't dictate where he goes but we also can't just have the dark cloud that is Ben sitting around either.

So whatever we get back for him...will not solve all of our issues and be the perfect fit. That ship has sailed.

We don't have to move Ben at all. He has four years left on his contract. His agent would certainly like that perception to be the case but it's simply not true.

As far as what we get back for him it has to be a great fit otherwise there really is no incentive to not play hardball with him because many of the trades of Simmons for spare parts doesn't get us any closer to a title. So I really have zero issue being patient. Furthermore if he illegally withholds his services there is a decent chance not only do the Sixers not have to pay him but his contract won't toll either.

Which means he'll still have 4 years left on his deal after the year. He doesn't have much if any leverage all he can do really is which is try to create a certain perception in the media that the Sixers have to do something

I'd say the clock ticking on Embiid career is Simmons leverage against the sixers. Morey needs to get this resolved asap so that sixers have a shot this season and not waste another year if Embiids shrinking window.

[sixers4real]

The reason why nobody is offering anything is because there’s no news about “sixers advancing trade talks with x team with ben.”

It’s like when you’re at a shopping mall. When there’s nobody inside a shop, nobody goes in. But if there’s a lot of customers inside, people tend to enter the shop and check it out.

You just have to plan everything. Like setting up a con. You just need to know what the landscape is right now, pick the players, who should you use to leverage and then you pick your mark.

For instance in the Harden deal, I believe we were just used as leverage by the Rockets. Without Morey offering Ben, Nets wouldnt give all their draft picks.

1000 times this

[Trafford10]

Daryl Morey is on a 5 year 60 mil contract and is going to get fleeced in a Simmons trade. Toughh scene.

Morey will come out of this smelling like roses.
Morey is a genius.
Perhaps the greatest genius in human history since Kim Il-Sung.
He's been shadowboxing for months now and is about to land the killer blow.
He's been working the phones with the other GMs like a maniac (in the informal meaning of that word)
He can use the calculator and abacus on his desk only using his left hand, at the same time taking notes with his right hand. Taking advantage of the hands free headset he took off Elton Brand's desk, Elton didn't need them anymore apparently.
Seriously if the nation was ever under threat we would have Morey on 24 hour missIle watch at NORAD.

There was a poster on this forum saying DAME, DAME don't worry DAME and that Simmons was GOOONNNEEE by draft night.
But see that poster didn't understand the complexity of that trade. Luckily our resident genius Mr. Daryl Morey does.
So rest easy friends, don't toss and turn at night, the promised land awaits.

[DCasey91]

Think of the Lillard deal.

Im more confident we can get Lillard back then when everything is silent. Because if the landscape is very noisy back then, there’s gonna be some crazy team out of nowhere who’s likely going to offer everything to get Dame. I always feel that Pels can be a darkhorse player for any “win now” move, like when some people were saying they can swoop in for the Harden sweepstakes.

You have to create hype and then the people will chase the hype.

There’s no hype right now.

The moves that I theorize has hidden, short/medium/long term and angles galore at play.

I don’t pay attention to so and so is this and so and so is that.

My whole career for over decade deals with very very relatable scenarios of the why to the solution and how to a fix the problem.

Lillard is an obvious choice obviously (Championship contender)

Getting Ingram cuts out two legs with people that don’t see the angle it’s because the Pels can blow us away with Ingram alone.

Circumvent and subversion. Big time subversion

Or something as simple as getting two unprotected first from the Cavs while taking on a bad contract
is having two bullets loading a near empty gun (Ben in the chamber as we speak).

So essentially you end as the same as before with Ben or without with two bad contracts just one with less time and two premium pick assets.

Win win .

Fox? No
CJ without Ben and Harris’s moved? It’s very close by my est.
CJ for Ben? Debatable.
Lillard? Yes
Ingram? Yes. Double win over if you can somehow get Ingram with Embiid and Ben together while moving Harris. Master stroke, I’m talking offering Maxey, Thybulle picks the whole nine yards.

Or sit tight and let things settle.

If Ben wants to strongarm the team we weren’t in a position or at trade leverage anyway. And this all could be fruitless exercise of blowing off steam of consciousness thought to pass the dreary working days. lol

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[Kobblehead]

I’ve asked you multiple times about what’s your suggestion Sixers should do right now with Simmons trade and never got answer.

No you haven't. I don't think I've ever even talked to you before. You may have dreamed that.

[eyeatoma]

Still no answer though.

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[sixers4real]

I’ve asked you multiple times about what’s your suggestion Sixers should do right now with Simmons trade and never got answer.

No you haven't. I don't think I've ever even talked to you before. You may have dreamed that.

Kobblehead wrote:
Derrick White and DeJounte Murray are help-now pieces. Can we get two first round picks, as well?

sixers4real wrote:
What’s the point? You seem to be the man who wants to be always be interested in this team, ala draft picks, talent evaluation versus winning a title

August 5, 2021. Ben Simmons trade talk part 3.

Never got replied. That’s the one I found, don’t want to waste time searching for other non-replied posts.

So, what’s your suggestion?

[Kobblehead]

There's like 5 Ben Simmons trade threads and I've been posting regularly in all of them. If you want to see then many trade proposals I've made, read through them.

[eyeatoma]

There's like 5 Ben Simmons trade threads and I've been posting regularly in all of them. If you want to see then many trade proposals I've made, read through them.

Dude, 99 percent of your posts are about how the player won't work on this team. If you think Derrick White and Murray are the answer for this team, you're beyond hopeless.

Please enlighten the board with your realistic trade that will make this team a title contender. SGA? Yeah, we're not getting him. Next?

[Kobblehead]

There's like 5 Ben Simmons trade threads and I've been posting regularly in all of them. If you want to see then many trade proposals I've made, read through them.

Dude, 99 percent of your posts are about how the player won't work on this team. If you think Derrick White and Murray are the answer for this team, you're beyond hopeless.

Please enlighten the board with your realistic trade that will make this team a title contender. SGA? Yeah, we're not getting him. Next?

What are you crying about, exactly? Me accurately describing Collin Sexton's game? LOL

The only answers for this team that I've proposed are Fox and Ingram. Similarly aged players to Simmons that are max players. Another, less realistic option would be Donovan Mitchell.